[Abyss]

Unless he happened to be draconic at the time. Plus he's a High Mage when it comes to KG. It's not like his sword is all he had to rely on.

- Abyss, thinks Rake was just trying to get into Kilimandaros' pants. If she wore pants.

[Lord of Salvation]

Is it just me or does the quote "an interesting choice" concerning the finnest strike you as familiar? I swear I have heard it before, maybe not concerning a finnest but something else.

[Coldnight]

It was 'curious choice'. Anyway, it must be something that Gothos could have under his shirt. Perhaps nothins as mundane, as some piece of jewlery, but also not anyone's heart, or any other organ . People heve really crazy theories. I was waiting for someone to say, it was Brys Beddict's finger :eek:...

[Lister of Smeg]

Just a minor point, but I thought Gothos was int he Deadhouse, not Tremolor. Fiddler et al only encounter him after they travel on that giant map and lose Mappo and Icarium.

[Murrin]

Lord Baelish;109983 said:

Just a minor point, but I thought Gothos was int he Deadhouse, not Tremolor. Fiddler et al only encounter him after they travel on that giant map and lose Mappo and Icarium.

My bad. You're right, Tremolor had no guardian.

[Sir Thursday]

Nice find! Anyone have any idea as to where these people come from? 'Across the Eastern Ocean' could refer to a lot of places...

Sir Thursday

[Abyss]

I can't decide whether the existance of an entire people dedicated to Togg/Fenderbender and fighting the CG is utterly cool or terribly convenient.

- Abyss, leaning towards the former.

[philospher77]

Abyss;110239 said:

I can't decide whether the existance of an entire people dedicated to Togg/Fenderbender and fighting the CG is utterly cool or terribly convenient.

To be fair, the fact that we see a contingent of soldiers devoted to T&F is not evidence that the entire people is, anymore than the Grey Swords are evidence that the entire Malazan empire was dedicated to Fener.

[Cause]

Does anyone else see the possibility that the letheri city mentioned remains un conquered by the edur? Becoming independant. It is never mentioned they have edur with them

[Imperial Historian]

So, my internet connection returns after a months absence, and what do I find I've missed, the Reaper's Gale prologue, kallor how can I thank you enough

So a series of 1st impressions, lots of it might have come up before buthere goes:

Kilamandros, elder god of the forkrul assail so it seems, and her appearence certainly lived up to her billing, seems the tiste edur's history has been a bit mixed up as we can expect, and kilamandros is the child of indescribable terror, but the edur got confused and she wasn't created by the shedding of the dragons blood, but herself shed the dragons blood. And she's also the elder god who crushed scabandari's hear with her unmailed fist, which would seem to be harder than any mailed fist. Very cool.

And it was gothos who ran off with scabandari's soul, and seems to want to punish it as recompense. Simmilar to hood is it not who seems to exact recompense on souls for there past actions. Gothos mentioning that his magic affects the souls of the dead suggests again that hood may be jaghut, as ice magic seems to be linked to death.

And anomander and kilamadros taking on a world full of feral dragons and various ascendants... how cool is THAT scene, though SE seems to have made a mistake as anomander implies he hasn't fought recently with osserc, whilst in MT osserc fights with anomander shortly after the MT prologue... well its not the final version, and mayhaps SE will pull out an explaination from under his hat or change it when his early readers get back to him...

And the barghast seem to have arrived in lether, 4-5 years before MT so pre GotM, and hence have disappeared... so where are these barghast from? the ones from the nascent? certainly not the ones from MOI who have only just discovered there seafaring heritage. Sicne we know the barghast are widespread, its posisble they have come from elsewhere, assail perhaps?

As to where they have gone npow that is indeed a mystery.

And it seems tavore and the greyhelms reach lether 2 years after the edur conquest, which I think fits with our timeline worked out previously, though there appearence in the same area as the missing barghast is curious, i think we can assume the slaughtered greyhelms didnt come in the canoes, the canoes being completely different from the greyhelms previous mode of transport. By the look of thing's the group of greyhelms slaughtered wasn't a large one, so i suspect we'll see more of them to come.

And the mysterious stranger in the red mask, with his demon companions closes the prologue on an intrigueing note, hopefully we learn more about him in RG.

Now all i have to do is sit and wait for it to come out...

[Abyss]

@IH - welcome back. All the below just imnsho, of course...

Kili was already on the scene, so not sure how she'd be id'd, even mistakenly, as the Child in question, when the Edur seem to know who she was.

Rake and Ossi have a long history of conflict, apparently. So no certainty that the confrontation supposedly following on Scabby backstabbing Silchas and the one ref'd by Ossi to Menandore and Sukul were the same.

It seems to moi that the group that landed on Leth 2 yrs before the conquest and the group that were defeated 2 yrs after were the same people, tho not necessarily all of them. And certainly seem to be the Perish. Not sure why you think they are Barghast, other than the canoes.

The 2 yrs after period is still, to me, before Tavore's first meeting with the Perish in TB.

- Abyss, counter-theorist.

[Imperial Historian]

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Kili was already on the scene, so not sure how she'd be id'd, even mistakenly, as the Child in question, when the Edur seem to know who she was.

I'm saying that originally the edur knew kilamandros as someone of indescribable terror who slew dragons, and then killed scabby, but over time it became confused and the indescribable terror was said to have been created by the dragons as the edur sought to shift blame to others and then it eventually became the form we see in MT, which is certainly possible after a few hundred thousand years...

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It seems to moi that the group that landed on Leth 2 yrs before the conquest and the group that were defeated 2 yrs after were the same people, tho not necessarily all of them. And certainly seem to be the Perish. Not sure why you think they are Barghast, other than the canoes.

I think that unlikely mainly because we know the perish travel in large ships not canoes, so i don't think the two groups are the same, though tehy may be connected. The canoes are described as very like the barghast canoes, especially the dismantling of the prows which makes me think they must belong to the barghast.

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The 2 yrs after period is still, to me, before Tavore's first meeting with the Perish in TB.

According to mal's rough timeline Mt takes place in 63/64 so the edur conquer lether in that period, bonehunters takes place 64/65, so 2 years is probably after Tavore met the perish.

[Cause]

id say the Assail are her children. But they lost their way suggests they are diffrent than her, she obviusly does not go around giving peace to evryone. Than again I get the impression by that the jhaghut turned to the forkrul for help against the tlan that they had some respect for them?

I think her intentions are none other than what she said they were. The loss of one realm is a bad precedent for all the others. All realms are now doomed, for an immortal thats not comforting. And considering the kemalle ritual she was right. Yet the two I would say are unrelated.

However it does seem that warren is special. We know this from BH and conversations edge walker has with cotillion

[Illuyankas]

IF the canoes are Perish, there are a couple of options that could explain why the canoes are there - landing craft from the larger ships, perhaps. Or, it took the Perish two years to make the portal for Tavore and the Fourteenth, right? What's to say they didn't perform a similiar ritual beforehand, where the fleet of canoes sailed out of shallow water by the Perish islands, into shallow water off the Lether coast? Then they could have started preparing for Tavore's portal, or even another one somewhere else...

[Lorn]

Icarium killed an Azath in an attempt to free Gothos, not knowing that Gothos had entered the Azath by his own free will. Gothos now lives in Deadhouse in Malaz city. I think (someone correct me if I'm wrong) that the Azath was located on the Jhag Odhan in southern Seven Cities.


Could it be possible that the canoes belongs to other Edur, the pure kin? The old Barghast myths talks about fighting them on the oceans, and it's difficult to fight ships with canoes so it is possible that Edur used something similar. There are many hints that those Edur are not the same as Trull's people which doesn't seem to know much about explosives and doesn't dwell in great "shadowy" forests. I can well imagine other Edur being not very happy with the corruption of their kin and traditions. Would be interesting to read about an Edur civil between those that remains loyal to Father Shadow and those that have been corrupted.

[tiam]

The 'Pure Kin' that are mentioned seem likely to be Andii or maybe Liosan. But Andii seems likely. Im not saying the people in the boat are either. The first load (the half million) seems likely to be barghast/Moranth (as they have ancient barghast practices being Baghast by blood) given their sea faring heritage. ALthough i dont think there the Genabackan Barghast seen as the numbers dont add up. Maybe from another continent.

But the 2nd load are obviosly Perish given the wolf atrribution and the stylised armour. Maybe not Perish as weve seen but worshippers of T+F maybe from Assail