[Messremb]

 Nevyn, on 21 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

That was .... unexpected

For the record, I passed Nom 1 of each, so definite fascist there.

I am leaning towards investigating Cause, but I am open to other suggestions. Investigation will be official tomorrow morning EST

I'd like to hear from Nom on this.

Investigate me.

[Itwæs Nom]

 Nevyn, on 21 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

For the record, I passed Nom 1 of each, so definite fascist there.

You didn't

[Nevyn]

 Messremb, on 21 February 2018 - 11:39 PM, said:

 Nevyn, on 21 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

That was .... unexpected

For the record, I passed Nom 1 of each, so definite fascist there.

I am leaning towards investigating Cause, but I am open to other suggestions. Investigation will be official tomorrow morning EST

I'd like to hear from Nom on this.

Investigate me.

The advantage of investigating Cause is that, if he is confirmed as a fascist, that auto confirms you, Dolmen AND Venge based on results and the number of fascists.

If i confirm you, still a risk there is a hiding hitler. But as of now i am assuming the three of you and one of drek tatts are the other liberals, so i will listen to Mess, Dolmen, and Venge before investigating

[Vengeance]

 Itwæs Nom, on 21 February 2018 - 11:44 PM, said:

 Nevyn, on 21 February 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

For the record, I passed Nom 1 of each, so definite fascist there.

You didn't

So your saying that you got passed 2 fascists policies. While earlier you where president for a liberal policy.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Just waiting for Macros to confirm something.

If Nom lied this term how does it benefit him? Feels more beneficial to Nevyn to lie here.

Maccy please check PM.

[Tattersail_]

Nevyn could have said he got all fascist. Drek voted no on Nevyns Government as well. So I'm inclined to think Nom is the Fascist.

[Macros]

If the newly-enacted Fascist Policy grants a Presidential Power, the President must use it before the next round can begin. Before using a power, the President is free to discuss the issue with other players, but ultimately the President gets to decide how and when the power is used. Gameplay cannot continue until the President uses the power. Presidential Powers are used only once; they don’t stack or roll over to future turns

[Macros]

Nevyn has an investigation to use

[Dolmen 2.0]

Well we got information which we were completely blind to. So that's a positive.

I am very surprised it's not the next president to enact the power but this makes more sense in its own way.

Nevyn was sure he'd get the power enacted this turn so there's that. What we know is two (if not three) out of the four are fascist. Therefore Nevyn, Nom, D'rek and Tatts are not trustworthy. What we don't know is if Cause is.

I think Tatts supporting Nevyn is alarming.

I think a find on Cause would clear things up if the president was trustworthy. At the moment I don't think he is.

[Tattersail_]

I'll have to check on whether D'rek supported Nom as President but D'rek was a nein for Nevyn and she is fascist.

[Tattersail_]

She did, so she supported Nom as President but not as Chancellor, what would be the reasoning behind that?

[Tattersail_]

Nevyn should investigate me or D'rek because it should clear some things up.

[Dolmen 2.0]

 Tattersail_, on 22 February 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

Nevyn should investigate me or D'rek because it should clear some things up.

no, it would not.

[Tattersail_]

 Dolmen 2.0, on 22 February 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 22 February 2018 - 08:27 AM, said:

Nevyn should investigate me or D'rek because it should clear some things up.

no, it would not.

Well who would you think he should investigate? The thing is, do you trust him?

If you do not trust him then whatever he says will be suspect, so investigating Venge or Mess for example would be pointless because they are liberal in my eyes, and if Nevyn said they were fascist then it creates doubt in them or confirms what we already know.

If he investigates Cause, would you trust his find? Again its 50/50 whether you believe him or not.

If he investigates D'rek/Tatts then I will know if he's telling the truth or not. You don't have to believe me because D'rek would just say the opposite but at least there would be verification on a level. Then it comes down to motivation and ultimately policies passed.

I propose you vote me in when my Presidency comes round, i'll pick the most liberal liberal and we'll get a liberal policy, otherwise I'm not sure how we can clear up what's what. If I could somehow prove my liberal allegiance then the investigation from Nevyn will hold more weight. Then we'd know two fascist members D'rek and Nevyn/Nom.

Am I wrong?

[Tattersail_]

Oh oh, I get it.

We know one of

D'rek/Tatts is fascist
Nevyn/Nom is fascist

but Hitler is meant to be hiding as a liberal so;

One of Dolmen, Mess, Venge, Cause is Hitler

In my opinion, I have either Cause as potential Hitler because he keeps asking others what he should do and he lied earlier on. Which shows a) he doesn't know anyone else (not fascist, could be liberal/Hitler) he wanted to hide his motivations/vote from the rest of us not knowing we'd see the results OR Dolmen as Hitler because he was D'rek first choice as Chancellor but this one is tenuous and I have no other reason to suspect Dolmen at the moment.

[Cause]

 Tattersail_, on 22 February 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Oh oh, I get it.

We know one of

D'rek/Tatts is fascist
Nevyn/Nom is fascist

but Hitler is meant to be hiding as a liberal so;

One of Dolmen, Mess, Venge, Cause is Hitler

In my opinion, I have either Cause as potential Hitler because he keeps asking others what he should do and he lied earlier on. Which shows a) he doesn't know anyone else (not fascist, could be liberal/Hitler) he wanted to hide his motivations/vote from the rest of us not knowing we'd see the results OR Dolmen as Hitler because he was D'rek first choice as Chancellor but this one is tenuous and I have no other reason to suspect Dolmen at the moment.

Except the risk is very real that both Drek and tats are fascist or both Nevyn and Nom are fascist and one of the others is as well. The best smokescreen would be for 2 fascists to accuse each other. Whichever one we believe the other is than considered liberal. In fact he is almost considered proven a liberal.

I also want to point out again that I have suggested at least one strategy that no one wanted to pursue. I keep asking people what they want to do because I believe to win we must act as a team in concert. Keeping our own council and accusing people left right and center is now accomplishing much.

Does Nevyn have a power to use now, once. Or does every president going forward get a reveal each turn? The danger now is that Nevyn is himself 50% suspect. His reveal power cant actually prove anything at the moment. It will instead only act as a confirmation bias.

This post has been edited by Cause: 22 February 2018 - 10:04 AM

[Dolmen 2.0]

In a weird way Tatts might be on to something there and who knows, maybe he’s not fascist and is genuinely trying to push a find onto D’rek so he looks rosy. But surely it’d be even more effective to invite a find on yourself?

Still, we’re not trying to find a fascist, we want Hitler. Cause would still be a good place to look. If the fascists are ballsy then they may be dragging hitler into things but I think safe places to look would be among myself, venge, mess and cause.

This is where Hitler would probably be hiding.

[Dolmen 2.0]

 Cause, on 22 February 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 22 February 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Oh oh, I get it.

We know one of

D'rek/Tatts is fascist
Nevyn/Nom is fascist

but Hitler is meant to be hiding as a liberal so;

One of Dolmen, Mess, Venge, Cause is Hitler

In my opinion, I have either Cause as potential Hitler because he keeps asking others what he should do and he lied earlier on. Which shows a) he doesn't know anyone else (not fascist, could be liberal/Hitler) he wanted to hide his motivations/vote from the rest of us not knowing we'd see the results OR Dolmen as Hitler because he was D'rek first choice as Chancellor but this one is tenuous and I have no other reason to suspect Dolmen at the moment.

Except the risk is very real that both Drek and tats are fascist or both Nevyn and Nom are fascist and one of the others is as well. The best smokescreen would be for 2 fascists to accuse each other. Whichever one we believe the other is than considered liberal. In fact he is almost considered proven a liberal.

I also want to point out again that I have suggested at least one strategy that no one wanted to pursue. I keep asking people what they want to do because I believe to win we must act as a team in concert. Keeping our own council and accusing people left right and center is now accomplishing much.

Does Nevyn have a power to use now, once. Or does every president going forward get a reveal each turn?

Welcome to the game Cause. I like this post.

To answer, Nevyn acts on a power and is allegedly waiting on our input on who to place a find. I think its a burnable ability, once used, its discarded.

I am in agreement in trying to strategize but I cant do that without being sure I’m strategizing with liberal players. I feel we need to do as you suggested, firmly decide who we can and cannot trust and then vote to maximize relatively trustworthy players.

Working out if you are trustworthy is the gamechanger.

[Tattersail_]

 Cause, on 22 February 2018 - 10:03 AM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 22 February 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

Oh oh, I get it.

We know one of

D'rek/Tatts is fascist
Nevyn/Nom is fascist

but Hitler is meant to be hiding as a liberal so;

One of Dolmen, Mess, Venge, Cause is Hitler

In my opinion, I have either Cause as potential Hitler because he keeps asking others what he should do and he lied earlier on. Which shows a) he doesn't know anyone else (not fascist, could be liberal/Hitler) he wanted to hide his motivations/vote from the rest of us not knowing we'd see the results OR Dolmen as Hitler because he was D'rek first choice as Chancellor but this one is tenuous and I have no other reason to suspect Dolmen at the moment.

Except the risk is very real that both Drek and tats are fascist or both Nevyn and Nom are fascist and one of the others is as well. The best smokescreen would be for 2 fascists to accuse each other. Whichever one we believe the other is than considered liberal. In fact he is almost considered proven a liberal.

I also want to point out again that I have suggested at least one strategy that no one wanted to pursue. I keep asking people what they want to do because I believe to win we must act as a team in concert. Keeping our own council and accusing people left right and center is now accomplishing much.

Does Nevyn have a power to use now, once. Or does every president going forward get a reveal each turn? The danger now is that Nevyn is himself 50% suspect. His reveal power cant actually prove anything at the moment. It will instead only act as a confirmation bias.

Absolutely impossible for two fascists to accuse each other and lie at the same time. For example, if D'rek and I were fascist then I could just have said I had 3 fascist cards and D'rek could agree with that. The fact that we both disagree means that one of us is lying, in this case, D'rek. The only people who should lie are Fascists, it does not benefit liberals to lie whatsoever.

[Cause]

 Tattersail_, on 22 February 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

Absolutely impossible for two fascists to accuse each other and lie at the same time. For example, if D'rek and I were fascist then I could just have said I had 3 fascist cards and D'rek could agree with that. The fact that we both disagree means that one of us is lying, in this case, D'rek. The only people who should lie are Fascists, it does not benefit liberals to lie whatsoever.

Not impossible at all. strategy. If the one lies and accuses the other the other will quickly deduce the game and lie back. Then one of them is almost guaranteed a stealthy entry into the liberal faction. I don't want to break my own rules and jump to wild speculation here but the fact that you say you cant see this worries me.

The worst case scenario is for us to become convinced a fascist is a liberal. Because then that means we will eventually conclude a liberal is a fascist in his place because we know their are 3. That's a major power imbalance that favors the fascists.

The reveal power is dangerous. Nevyn is currently himself 50% suspect. If he uses his power on Drek or tats I cant necessarily trust him. He could be a fascist smoke screening for a fascist. if he reveals himself he is a biased source. If he reveals Nom he is hardly gonna to say he is a liberal because that would mean he outs himself. If he used it on me Dolmen messremb etc it could be a fascist sowing confusion into our midst by mislabeling someone (worst case scenario realized). It would create more paths in the labyrinth of speculation than it closes. Only if we could on a subsequent turn reveal his own loyalty could we begin to trust the picture that forms.

Also am I correct he cant reveal hitler. He can only reveal a fascist allegiant, who would than have a one in 3 chance of being hitler?