[Nevyn]

 Messremb, on 16 February 2018 - 09:26 PM, said:

Why're you trying to paint me as just having been chancellor?

Whoops, my bad. Confused you and Dolmen

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 16 February 2018 - 09:36 PM

[Nevyn]

 Messremb, on 16 February 2018 - 09:26 PM, said:

 Nevyn, on 16 February 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 D, on 16 February 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

You've voted Nein on every single vote except for the one where ItWaesNom was President, and now you put him as your chancellor candidate. Hmm...

I put the matter up for suggestions and arguments, and no one, including you, had any.

Also not sure why you think I'd care who was chancellor if I was fascist.

Policy counts thus far:

1 lib , 2 fasc
1 lib, 2 fasc
1 lib, 2 fasc
2 lib, 1 fasc

Than means 1 liberal policy left in the deck against 4 fascist ones. If I were a fascist, I could fail a policy with any chancellor. And I certainly wouldn't be putting hitler on a policy I planned to fail.

So what are you even talking about?

Lack of error bars for potentially dodgy Presidents makes this pretty pointless.

Not sure what you mean

[Messremb]

 Nevyn, on 16 February 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

 Messremb, on 16 February 2018 - 09:26 PM, said:

 Nevyn, on 16 February 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 D, on 16 February 2018 - 04:40 PM, said:

You've voted Nein on every single vote except for the one where ItWaesNom was President, and now you put him as your chancellor candidate. Hmm...

I put the matter up for suggestions and arguments, and no one, including you, had any.

Also not sure why you think I'd care who was chancellor if I was fascist.

Policy counts thus far:

1 lib , 2 fasc
1 lib, 2 fasc
1 lib, 2 fasc
2 lib, 1 fasc

Than means 1 liberal policy left in the deck against 4 fascist ones. If I were a fascist, I could fail a policy with any chancellor. And I certainly wouldn't be putting hitler on a policy I planned to fail.

So what are you even talking about?

Lack of error bars for potentially dodgy Presidents makes this pretty pointless.

Not sure what you mean

You trust everyones statements as to the policies they had? You're certain of your assumption that a liberal policy was discarded? I'll try and do some proper numbers over the weekend. I'm not voting till I have.

Also when there's seemingly so few liberal policies left I think it is far too easy for you to claim passing 2 fascist ones to Nom was no choice.

So 5 policies left, after the next President gets 3 does the whole deck turn and shuffle or are the 2 last kept then the remaining 1 for the next President chosen from a shuffled deck?

[Nevyn]

 Messremb, on 16 February 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

You trust everyones statements as to the policies they had? You're certain of your assumption that a liberal policy was discarded? I'll try and do some proper numbers over the weekend. I'm not voting till I have.

Also when there's seemingly so few liberal policies left I think it is far too easy for you to claim passing 2 fascist ones to Nom was no choice.

So 5 policies left, after the next President gets 3 does the whole deck turn and shuffle or are the 2 last kept then the remaining 1 for the next President chosen from a shuffled deck?

After the next president there is a shuffle.

We have had 3 liberal policies enacted, so we know there have been 3 of the 6 gone. On one of those policies, both players saw 2 liberal policies, so unless you think they are both fascist, and passed a liberal policy when they didn't have to, we are up to at least 4

On the one fascist policy, Tatts claims to have seen 1 lib and 2 fascist, and passed a choice. Drek claims to have had no choice. The only way a 5th liberal policy was not gotten rid of is if Tatts got 3 fascist policies, and decided to call Drek a fascist instead of just saying "I had no choice and Drek is telling the truth about getting 2 fascist".

I don't have to trust everyone's statements. Logic, the results on the board, and the game rules make it easy to fact check. Which is why I've been making sure I was clear on what policies everyone saw. Counting policies is a key way you catch someone lying, and can also vindicate a president who got 3 fascist early in a game.

If someone is lying, it is FAR MORE likely they have undersold the number of liberal policies they saw (someone saw 2 and ditched one). And if that happened, all 6 are gone, and the next government fails no matter what.

If you think there could be more than one liberal policy left, explain to me how.

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 16 February 2018 - 09:54 PM

[Itwæs Nom]

Sorry for my inactivity

Today I had to look up what year it is because I wasn't sure, that should say it all

[Cause]

Also been inactive this weekend. Need to catch up a lot.

My quick point is this. We need to seperste the signal from the noise. Dolmem is questioning Nevin, so tats is questioning Dolmem. Whole we gloss over that'd the only fact we have is that tats or drek is at least def a fascist. We need to seperste speculation from fact. The games guidelines for God sake even point out that it's a fascist startegy to create mass confusion and wild accusations.

Also NEVYN you obviously know this game. So the decks are limited. And we will go through the deck in one more presidency? The odds of fascist cards coming up increases as we pass liberal policies because they come to dominate the deck?

I may have missed it in your post. Need to reread them. But how many cards of each does the game start with?

[Dolmen 2.0]

 Cause, on 19 February 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

Also been inactive this weekend. Need to catch up a lot.

My quick point is this. We need to seperste the signal from the noise. Dolmem is questioning Nevin, so tats is questioning Dolmem. Whole we gloss over that'd the only fact we have is that tats or drek is at least def a fascist. We need to seperste speculation from fact. The games guidelines for God sake even point out that it's a fascist startegy to create mass confusion and wild accusations.

Also NEVYN you obviously know this game. So the decks are limited. And we will go through the deck in one more presidency? The odds of fascist cards coming up increases as we pass liberal policies because they come to dominate the deck?

I may have missed it in your post. Need to reread them. But how many cards of each does the game start with?

I think we just need to vote to be honest.

the games not gonna come to a sudden consensus on this. Nevyn has a point about the card numbers favoring fascist policy.

We need to plod forward and try not miss information.

I'm gonna vote Ja on Nevyn Nom Govt. I want to see how they will handle the next pack of cards as we know little about them, Nevyn in particular. No information on players is bad. I think getting players to play a role helps us navigate the end-game better.

Above all else next eligible president is Messremb. WCS we get a fascist policy Messremb gets to enact a power which I'd much rather in his hands than most other players at this point.

[Macros]

3 PM's in inbox

[Nevyn]

 Cause, on 19 February 2018 - 08:15 AM, said:

Also been inactive this weekend. Need to catch up a lot.

My quick point is this. We need to seperste the signal from the noise. Dolmem is questioning Nevin, so tats is questioning Dolmem. Whole we gloss over that'd the only fact we have is that tats or drek is at least def a fascist. We need to seperste speculation from fact. The games guidelines for God sake even point out that it's a fascist startegy to create mass confusion and wild accusations.

Also NEVYN you obviously know this game. So the decks are limited. And we will go through the deck in one more presidency? The odds of fascist cards coming up increases as we pass liberal policies because they come to dominate the deck?

I may have missed it in your post. Need to reread them. But how many cards of each does the game start with?

6 liberal and 11 fascist.

[Tattersail_]

My vote was probably first in

[Cause]

Okay I have voted yes, I'm interested to see what happens

but I just had a thought and I'm putting it to discussion. If what Nevyn says is true their is a high likelihood that we will draw 3 fascist cards and be forced to play one. Should we skip to a government we trust implicitly to make this pick so that if they say all 3 cards did come up fascist and they had no choice we can actually believe them?

[Tattersail_]

I could have said that but never, depends on who we trust.


Let's look at what has gone down so far;

 Macros, on 07 February 2018 - 07:32 AM, said:

Chancellor Messremb has enacted a Liberal policy.

According to Dolmen, in response to Mess, he had;

2 Fascist and 1 Liberal.

 Macros, on 08 February 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

D'rek enacts a fascist policy.

I received 2 Fascist 1 Liberal

Nom President

 Macros, on 13 February 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

We have a Liberal Policy enacted

Accroding to Nom, he got 2 Fascist 1 Liberal

Venge President

 Macros, on 16 February 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

A liberal policy has been enacted

According to Venge, he received 2 Liberal 1 Fascist

So there is only 1 Liberal left in the deck.

[Tattersail_]

Macros not got all the PM's yet? People are slow.

[Vengeance]

 Tattersail_, on 20 February 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

Macros not got all the PM's yet? People are slow.

Remember when I was president and I yelled at everyone to vote. This is why.

[Tattersail_]

 Vengeance, on 20 February 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

 Tattersail_, on 20 February 2018 - 02:48 PM, said:

Macros not got all the PM's yet? People are slow.

Remember when I was president and I yelled at everyone to vote. This is why.

I do, that was a good Presidency.

[Vengeance]

Come on people vote.

[Macros]

7 pms in inbox

[D'rek]

If we were playing in-person it would be public knowledge who is still holding out on voting...

[Messremb]

Bollocks, dropped the ball sorry. Manic weekend & week.

Vote is in. I'm a no because with a stacked deck we're unlikely to get information on Nom as he'll likely get 2 fascist policies. It's also a great chance for Nevynn to pass two and discard a liberal. I dislike a president getting his election through when we know so little about his own proclivities.

[Nevyn]

 Messremb, on 20 February 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Bollocks, dropped the ball sorry. Manic weekend & week.

Vote is in. I'm a no because with a stacked deck we're unlikely to get information on Nom as he'll likely get 2 fascist policies. It's also a great chance for Nevynn to pass two and discard a liberal. I dislike a president getting his election through when we know so little about his own proclivities.

He says after voting ja to every other president having known nothing about them.

This post has been edited by Nevyn: 20 February 2018 - 11:32 PM