[Jorram]

Yes, really, where do you get the idea that Lether is a subcontinent? As for the plazza's, I don't think the Kashcan Bowl in MT, if you are referring to that, could be counted as something similar to the one described on Stratem, the descriptions do not fit, AFAIR.

[Werthead]

Interesting! But is Lether just a subcontinent by itself in the middle of the ocean (as Australia could be argued to be), or is it linked to one of the already known landmasses? But that would seem to go against Lether's isolation from the rest of the world...

Have just begun a DHG re-read and noted with interest that Crokus and co. journeyed for two months across Seeker's Deep and landed on Otataral Island. Is this a clue that Genabackis is north-east of Seven Cities (rather than just due east) or did they go out of their way as part of Kalam and Fiddler's plan to flush out and assassinate Laseen? Hmmm.

And has Steven Erikson said anywhere that he's using the Tolkien League (3 miles = 1 league), or do his leagues refer to something else? Historically, depending on the country and time period, leagues have measured anything from 2 miles to 17 miles.

[fortyseven]

Australia is called an island-continent, India and Europe are sub continents.

[Werthead]

It's semantics but Australia is (arguably) a subcontinent of Australasia. India is indeed a subcontinent, although geologically it's a continent in its own right but isn't big enough to qualify as a seperate continent. Europe is not a subcontinent at all (although using Erikson's terminology it could be argued as such). Geologically Europe is the same continent as Asia (Eurasia). Only politically Europe is regarded as a continent in its own right.

[Werthead]

Interesting information from Pat's new interview with SE. There is a world map, it hasn't been lost (or if so it's been found), it's huge and far too big to fit inside a scanner, and SE has started redrawing it at a smaller scale (by hand...he can't find a decent mapmaking programme). Thus, we shouldn't expect to see it in The Bonehunters (not that that was ever a realistic expectation anyway). Hopefully (my thoughts, not SE's) we may see it when Reaper's Gale is published.

[Werthead]

Don't tell me, tell the boss man! I've sold enough scanners to know that you can scan anything, but I'm guessing the big world map would have spoilers for ICE's books (locations on Korelri and Assail, for example), hence the need to redraw it.

[Tiger_sword]

you can quite clearly see from the map of Lether that it is attached to a continent that is quite massive. We also don't know if there are any completely, as yet unheard of, continents. We know from the SE interview that the next two books will be on UNVISITED continents.

We will just have to wait.

[Werthead]

Didn't Midnight Tides state that the First Empire explored every corner of the globe and found six continents? I'd also imagine that sorcery could be used to 'map' the world in some fashion. That said, we know from Deadhouse Gates that the Malazan Empire has world maps which don't show Lether, so perhaps the First Empire missed some as well.

Unless Planet Malaz is MUCH bigger than Earth, though, I don't think there's much room for additional continents on the planet.

[Tiger_sword]

in the sixteenth century we thought we had mapped the entire world then....AMERICA!

[tiam]

It says in deadhouse when heborics on the ship that the malazan empire claimed to have world maps but they never shown the continents that the edur on the ship had. Then heboric says about the malazan empires claim to dominance seemed pathetic

[Tiger_sword]

although the world map was in the deadhouse wasn't it

[Werthead]

Ah, unless Lether IS on the Malazan maps, but those ones are held secret and only the ones showing the commonly-known-about landmasses (7 Cities, Quon Tali, Korelri & Genabackis) are circulated amongst the populace.

[Loof]

If I didn't missread there are some indications in TB that Lether is to the west of 7C or at least the closest path "known" (not telling you whos knowlage as that would be a semi spoiler) from 7C to Lether is westwards. My feeling is that it might be a subcontinent of the same supercontinent that 7C belongs to but i have nothing to base that on realy. Also I noticed that in most of your tries so far you have placed Lether very far south with the motivation that Gothos froze the continent so the icecaps need not be relevant to geological location. But did Gothos specificaly freeze the north of Lether? If not why has the icecaps melted in the south but not the north, if the continent was south of the equator wouldn't the reverse be the case? (In either way my personal impression was that Gothos magic was more of a spiritual and cultural effect then a physical one).

The maps in themselves don't show anything new on the continent level as far as i can tell.

Hope that helped some.

[Werthead]

Assuming Planet Erikson is the same size as Earth or even a little larger, than given we are told in DHG that Genabackis is 6000 miles (assuming one Malazan league equals three miles) north-eastwards from 7C, Assail is due south of Genabackis and Lether is a long way eastwards of Assail (according to the Crimson Guard posse), then that would put Lether roughly equidistant around the world from Genabackis and 7C (posting this after 4 Guinnesses and an unknown quantity of vodka so my math may be off). Although I think Malacalypse and others who have seen the fabled proper world map also said there was a huge, Pacific+ sized ocean on the world between the major landmasses as well, with a lengthy island chain spanning it.

Also they say in MT that Lether is/was a colony of the human First Empire (based on 7C) and is located halfway around the globe from it, which would put it a long way from 7C and presumably a different landmass. Unless the western part of 7 Cities is huge beyond imagining, which seems rather unlikely (hey, just noticed Y'Ghatan is on the DHG map, which I hadn't before).

Good catch on the icecaps melting in Lether, but in MoI I think Itkovian says something about a continent rumoured to exist far, far to the south and east of Genabackis that sounds just like Lether.

[Werthead]

Interesting!

Another thought on the Lether situation is how the Edur got to Drift Avalii in HoC. If Lether is indeed closer to the Empire coming from the west of 7C, that also explains how they got to the island undetected until they were close to it: by just passing south of 7C. If they came from the east they'd pass between Genabackis and Korelri which presumably are more well-travelled by Malazan fleets.