[frank]

Hello everybody.

Haven't written anything in a while, but couldn't resist this topic. Here is what I have scraped together. I'll jump about some, you make sense of it.

-GotM page 4, Korel wars to the south had started
-crimson guard escaped Assail and arrived on west coast of Letheras since they are not in posession of the east coast
-Fid & co arrived in Karakarang from Genebackis on the NE coast of 7C,DG page 59
-This one is a bit strangesince it's not in harmony with the map in MT. A map with the course plotted EAST? from edur lands and then south over a VAST ocean, DG page 336
-7C half way around the world from Korelri, MoI page 35/36
-Sister continent suggests almost same size/shape for Korelri and Jackuruku, MoI page 37
-K'rul walks across K to J and arrives on its west coast, so J is to the east of K. MoI page 37
-The Genostel archipelago is half a world away from the Pannion Domin. MoI page 403
-Edur homeworld SE of Genebackis, MoI page 442
-Icefields on Stratem implies that it's FAR to the south, MoI page 530
-Jacuruku exist and is known, MMoI page 799
-Lanas Tog CONTINUES to travel north after meating Envy & co in central eastern Genebackis, so Assail lies to the SE. MoI page 878
-7C is 3000 leagues from Mala city, but doesn't work when looking at the map in HoC. GotM page 5
-Unta is 3000 leagues from Pale, GotM page 86
-The Porule is 1500 leagues E of Rhivi plain (another continent, but which?). GotM page 269
-There are lands west and north of 7C. GotM page 319
-Malazans came both from NE and NW suggesting that Genebackis is to the S of Quon Tali. GotM page 491
-In BF page 55 they are heading west, and Bauchealin in MoI says that they just keep traveling as far as they can go on every continent. And they arrived from the west of Genebackis. Wich doesn't make much sense
-He also tells a local on Theft that they arrived from Korelri (to the E since they later continue W?) He had never heard about the Malazans and came from a place so distant he wouldn't know it. So pick a continent and place a huge ocean inbetween. BF page 50
-There are Jheck on Theft which maybe puts it not to far from Letheras. BF page 11
-Korelri is south of Theft. BF page 44
-1000 leagues from 7C northern icefields to Laederon platau on Genebackis. HoC page 607
-The skykeeps arrive over water to northern 7c. Is there a continent up there? HoC page 607
-I agree that Quon Tali is a sub-continent like Australia and that 7C is one like India. The rest of that continent is VAST. In the HoC map there is an arrow northwards towards Aren somewhere to the north. Aren is to the far south of the maps of 7C. The landmass to the west of Quon Tali is also called 7C and is a part of the SUB-continent. so the main continent is really large.
-I lean towards Genebackis being to the north of Quon Tali because of the tundra in the north, but this also puts Segulaeh pretty close to Quon Tali? And the archipelago wich ends in Segulaeh, does it ekstend to the N or S?
-There is something written somewhere about how far you can travel inside the imperial warren. It should give us an indication of the sizes of Korelri and Jacuruku.
-I belive that both Genebackis and the huge continent ecstends far into the norhern part of the world, the big one the furthest. Korelri and Jackuruku lies far to the south, but almost in line with Quon tali. Letheras is probably the northern part of a equatorialy centered continent on the other side of the world from Quon Tali and Assail to the SW or NW of it. Probably the SW.

[Tiste Simeon]

I'd donate an organ to get that on here! Not mine you understand, but I'm sure I could find one! Patch, not only have you ruined my day again, but you have not got me excited about the full map... I think I'm just going to go and sit in a corner...

[Svaran]

Jorram, also Jacuruku is said to be half a world away from from the 1st empire os haven't you got it rather too close to the 7 cities subcontinent?

[Kallor]

>arkman...
...laugh at you folks? only when you're funny (which is often, but still)...actually, i think this is cool...you all work out your version of the map, and then we'll see if we can get the real one up to compare...edgewalker, stay out of it...

[Jorram]

Yep, Assail needn't be south of Lether, it can be west, thus also being south-southwest of Genabackis, which fits

[Hume]

You Make some sense there,

Not with the last point though in my opinion.

[Murrin]

Theft is at the north-somethingth part of Korelri, and supposedly has open ocean for many miles to the east or west (can't remember which) - in the book the people of Theft thought there was nothing at all in that direction - so Theft shouldn't be placed anywhere with a continent so close by (Lether on your map).

I'm also interested in the fact the Malazans in GotM claim to be able to reach Genabackis from both the east and the west.

[Murrin]

The fact that there are remains of old civilisation under the ice demonstrates that it couldn't have been so far north. The ice was all Gothos'.
Add to that: Meckros cities roam the southern oceans of the world, and, apparently, the oceans north of Letheras. The northern coast of Letheras was colonised by the First Empire - suggests they approached from the north originally.

All point to a southern location for the continent.

[Kallor]

...i'm beginning to believe you all think i have this perverse streak of cruelty...

[Folken]

Okay out of slight curiosity, do we know for sure where the First HUMAN Empire was? Because iirc from the MoI prologue, it said that the First Human Empire was half way across the world from Kallor's empire, which we know is Jacuruku/Koreli.

[Imperial Historian]

Re the k'chain che'malle plaza which we know is present on Stratem and also in northern lether...

I'm thinking that this is possibly equivalent to pavement, and may be a feature of the k'chain civilisation so perhaps it is present in many places where the k'chain were prevalent.

Another possibility is an idea I got in my head somehow... from mal mentioning an archipligio that stretched acorss the world major ocean, and since stratem was mentioned as such i assume dthey were one and the same... so my theory is that the k'chain created a huge plaza of stones stretching across the ocean, from koreli to somewhere else (possibly lether) this plaza was flooded etc and bits were drowned and eventually becomes the subcontinent stratem, with the other end being the stone plaza mentioned in Lether.

Though that one probably belongs in the crazy theory thread...

[Werthead]

Interesting. Where did the idea of Lether as a subcontinent come from? It helps make sense of the 6 continents idea (I never bought the idea of Quon Tali and Seven Cities as one continent together, QT is always being described as a proper continent). I often pondered Lether as actually being Jacuruku until I realised that that would place it too close to Malaz...

Damnit, we need to see that world map. What do you think it would take to bribe SE into handing a copy over?