[Werthead]

No, I'm in the middle of a re-read at the moment (700 pages into HoC at the moment). Give me 9 months and I'll be saying, "Lady who?"

[Tiste Simeon]

Trust me. In 9 months, you will know who everyone is. Especially if you get BH in that time. If you don't... DENIED!!!

[Werthead]

Huh? I should have TBH tomorrow (touch wood). And this is my first re-read, so I have read all 5 previously, although I think I was going :Erm: too much to take in all the plot info first time around.

[Loof]

Overall it looks pretty good, only problem I have with it is that there seems to be to much water and to little land. But as you say we don't have evidence to place any more at the moment. I add my vote for the further north for Lether but as thats mostly based on climate and gothos magic muddles that I don't have enough arguments to realy push for it.
One final thing that might help the look of the map is the inclusion of polar ice caps in the north and south (even if they haven't specificaly been mentioned).

[Werthead]

Yeah, unless Planet Malaz works on a totally different level to Earth there should be ice at the poles. And it was quite interesting as I always thought the distances in MBF were always much bigger than in other fantasy worlds, but it turns out the landmasses are nowhere near as big as those on Earth. Korelri, Jacuruku, Assail and the rest of Lether could turn out to be much bigger than I've made them though.

[Werthead]

Right, done a version 3. Added the ice caps, made the coast of Lether a bit more fjord-like (as per the descriptions in DHG) and added the city of Quaint based on descriptions from another forum (KB & B arrive in the city by land in a wagon, indicating that they've travelled overland from where they were in MoI, which puts Quaint on Genabackis; apparently the timeline supports this with HD taking place after MoI).

[Set'alahd Crool]

It's looking good. I'd place Korelri and Assail more to the east, and Lether a good bot north. Then if you move the Genostel archipelago a bit south it could be "The islands" mentioned so frequently in MT. Also, Korelri probably looks more like a collection of islands than a land mass.

Looks good, though.

[Werthead]

Hmm. Don't remember many references to 'The Islands' in MT. Any particular references that might held identify them? There's also the ocean-straddling archipelago that Malacalypse saw on SE's actual map, which might be what is referred to.

Korelri probably requires some work, yeah, although the landmass may have recovered somewhat in the 100K years since the Crippled God's fall. The Korelri-Stratem-Jacuruku relationship probably requires more work as well, since we know from the GotM appendix that the Malazans are on Stratem as well but nowhere is it said they are on Jacuruku, which suggests it should be further away. But putting it too far away means it loses its 'sister continent to Korelri' status. Lether I am more and more convinced should be further north. Not TOO far north though as Itkovian seemed certain it is south-east of Genabackis.

Nice pick-up from MoI and MT: the Meckros visit Seguleh, Nemil (western 7C) and Lether and one of their ships was washed up in Coral Bay, seeming to confirm that their area of control is the ocean east of Genabackis and west of Seven Cities.

[Set'alahd Crool]

The islands to which Tehol sent all the indebted. And the islands from which Shand and co came. And the islands Tehol bought the first time around, to which he sent the shattered remnants of the subjugated tribes. Lots of islands. Put them all together, you've got an archipelago. Not ocean spanning, of course. When Mal mentioned that I thought it was Korelri.

[Imperial Historian]

Some very good stuff there Werthead, I think I'll wait until you've read bonehunters before I comment on seven cities, there's quite a bit of info on that area in BH which will rearrange our map somewhat.

Re Jackuru and it's relationship to korel and quon tali... i'm inclining to the opinion that korel is between jackuru and malaza isle, which would explain why the malazans have never landed there, theres some info in BH about the lcoation of Korel, which may shift the position somewhat. Also i have an impression from soemwhere that Korel is huge.

Re Lether, I'd have to look up some quotes but I think the kolanese empire is situated elsewhere in relation to Lether, ie not as direct a neighbour as it seems to be there, there was something between them... but thats just off vague recollections.

Genabackis seems too northerly, remember the malazans first arrived at genabackis in the north, and don't seem to have reached the south at all...

Oh and if your logic on placing genabackis northerly was the ice in the north, thast almost certainly due to the jaghut who was chased onto the loaederon plateau by the imass.

Placing Lether and such is probably bets done by placing the travels of the edur fleets... but they seem erractic at best, anyway more feedack after you have finsihed bonehunters

[Gothos]

sorry guys with all this, but:
Korel - was mentioned in HoC that Greymane fought a war across a giant landscape with no defined front. that would suggest more Asia-like continent in terms of mass?
Jacuruku - wasn't it ripped out of the world and made into the Imperial Warren?

Disclaimer: no I can't be arsed nor do I have the time to read through 15 pages of this thread

[Werthead]

The Bonehunters is in my possession! (performs dance of victory)

Spoiler

Right, tons of stuff on the western end of Seven Cities which seems fairly straightforward. The Sepik Sea takes a big southward turn into the Catal Sea which is a huge bay with Nemil on the east coast, Perish to the north-west and Shal-Morzinn to the south. Easily done.

Korelri is reported as being still recovering from the CG's fall and contains a northern subcontinent surrounded by numerous islands. From this I'm guessing that the northern landmass is 'Korel' and the southern is 'Stratem' and together they form 'Korelri', so they are two seperate landmasses (although how this relates to Stratem "being beyond Korelri's southern range" is unclear).

We have the names of two more oceans as well, which is good. Not too sure about how there's an ice sheet in the north-west of Quon Tali in what must be approaching the equatorial region, but I'm guessing magical reasons for that.

Genabackis being in the north seems to be necessary due to the distance of 3,000 leagues being given for the Unta-Pale distance, the 1,600 league-distance being given for Seven Cities-Genabackis and the fact that Crokus and co. left Genabackis' central-west coast, sailed south-west for two months and then landed on Otataral's north-east coast. The Malazans being in the north could be a result of the currents. However I have moved Genabackis a bit further south to compensate. Lether I've moved north a bit as well with a bit of fiddling to get Jacuruku and Assail into better locations.



@ Gothos, no Jacuruku's surface layers (the dust and ash from the destroyed kingdom) was used to create the Imperial Warren, leaving the continent "bare to heal". In Memories of Ice one of the Imass clans is also said to be on Jacuruku in the present day, meaning it still exists. Korelri is an open question. It may be the difficulties with the front are due to the number of islands in the area and the Korelri people may have fleets that can land reinforcements behind Greymane's lines and so forth. But it's possible that Korelri can be much larger than I've made it, especially if it connects with the southern polar ice cap.

[tiam]

Just because the positioning of greymanes legions were to stop an assault on a huge land base has no releveance to the capital. It could merely of been a large open field (well desert or tundra whatever type of continent it is). We cannot use that quote to judge the size. Greymane could be in the middle of the island and have to overstretch his forces in order to combat the entire nation. Therefore he would have no defined front

[Gothos]

k, good enough.
another note: why so far south? and leaving the middle a bare ocean? wouldnt Korelri and Jacuruku extend a bit north? or am I missing something from BH/HD/NoK?

[Werthead]

The tundra in the north of Lether is the result of the Jaghut Gothos using Omtose Phellack to freeze the landmass. If OP is maintaining the ice fields, then the equator could run through Lether and the ice fields would remain frozen. So they don't help place the continent (btw the same applies for the Laederon plateau and the tundra beyond on Genabackis: they were created during the Jaghut/Imass wars and don't help place the continent).

Korelri is south-east of Quon Tali according to the arrow on the new Bonehunters map but it could extend further north in the east. However, according to Blood Follows there is nothing east and west of Theft island (which is north of 'the Korelri Compact') but bare ocean, so that would suggest Korelri is oriented to the south.

[Gothos]

hmmm one MORE thing - did you entirely make up Assail size and shape?

[Werthead]

Yep. There is literally no info on it, save it lies south of Genabackis and west of Lether and various powerful groups we've met before (the T'lan Imass and the Crimson Guard) keep getting their backsides kicked there by a human tyrant of unknown origin. Also, obviously it has some connection with the Forkrul Assail.

I was thinking about putting just a big square with 'Assail?' in it but that would have been lame.