[QuickTidal]

D, on 16 February 2021 - 07:20 PM, said:

I imagine it was something along the lines of...

"Hey let's bring Quicksilver back!"
"Sure! Y'know, people really like Evan Peters and those slow-mo scenes from the X-Men movies, can we do something like that?"
"Even better, let's do EXACTLY that again. The fans will love it and we can milk it for tons of Youtuber 'ermagerd reaction videos' extra publicity hype."
"Sweet! But how're we going to integrate that storywise? Wanda was a little American 8-year-old in DotF."
"We have a whole mutliverse now. We'll just bring in Evan Peters and the character will be exactly like he was in the X-Men movies, but when anyone asks about his background we say he still had the Sokovian background with whatever the screenplay writers want. We'll just say he's from an X-Men dimension where all the cool stuff from the movies happened but not the rest."
"Oh good, and then we can ditch the stupid accent, too!"
"Kevin, is all that okay with you?"
"Sure. It's not like we can bring back Hugh Jackman for the 8 different movies Wolverine is going to be in, anyway. Had to happen eventually, might as well kickstart it with an X-Men character/actor everyone liked and who's happy to reprise the role."

No offence, but this conversation would not occur in the MCU under Fiege.

You don't do something like this "just because" and especially not "just for some fans in the audience"...it has to make narrative sense, otherwise it's pointless fan service. So far, there has been nothing like that in the show.

It also serves the "multiverse arc" perfectly as the opening point between the multiverse...it's as organic as that "breaking into alternate universes" moment could be. Serendipitous you might say, that Wanda is missing her own brother (killed in AoU), and here he is from the VERY universe the Disney Corp just happened to purchase with the Fox slate.

Also:

D, on 16 February 2021 - 07:20 PM, said:

"Sweet! But how're we going to integrate that storywise? Wanda was a little American 8-year-old in DotF."

Cause, on 16 February 2021 - 07:38 PM, said:

So Wanda was in the X-men movies? As an 8 year old? I have no memory of her. Also that would mean clearly not twins

Nope. The little girl in DOFP is not Wanda, it's his LITTLE half-sister (sometimes know as Miss Maximoff in Marvel). Wanda and Peter are twins. AKA the same age. And in the scene in that film he tells her to go upstairs and bother her sister....the upstairs sister is Wanda. We never meet her.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 16 February 2021 - 08:26 PM

[D'rek]

Oh, ok, sorry, I didn't realize that my not knowing the inner workings of MCU executive producers, mis-identifying one background character for another functionally identical one, and not having been up to date on all the latest leaks from Thailand precluded me from having an opinion or being part of the discussion here. Thank you for putting me in my place by nitpicking my minor details rather than actually addressing my core argument. Congratulations on winning the thread, I'll go find somewhere that us plebes are allowed to converse.

[Malankazooie]

Going to watch Spider-Man: Far From Home tonight. I hope it is as good as Spider-Man: Homecoming. The setting is London, yeah? Without any spoilers, are there any neat twists that will make my head a'splode?

[Cause]

It’s the better spider man movie by far! Loved it

[QuickTidal]

D, on 17 February 2021 - 01:47 AM, said:

Oh, ok, sorry, I didn't realize that my not knowing the inner workings of MCU executive producers, mis-identifying one background character for another functionally identical one, and not having been up to date on all the latest leaks from Thailand precluded me from having an opinion or being part of the discussion here. Thank you for putting me in my place by nitpicking my minor details rather than actually addressing my core argument. Congratulations on winning the thread, I'll go find somewhere that us plebes are allowed to converse.

Nitpicking? I was just trying to debate the points with you. I made some statements, you challenged them and I rebutted in turn. I’m sorry to have upset you. It’s all speculation, and I could be dead wrong on some of it. I’ll eat crow if that’s the case. I’m not sure how I didn’t address your core argument though, could you direct me to what part of it I didn’t address?

And as fas as what I know, I follow the marvel studios spoilers subreddit where this stuff comes out. Coupled with what Fiege says (like in his 10-minute Phase 4 announcement video where he speaks on the importance of the tv shows to the movies and talks about the links between them; this is where he also mentioned that WV was part of the multiverse arc), and from watching the MCU and realizing that most narrative decisions are not made for no reason, they all have one. Like Loki stealing the tesseract in EG is a great joke...but it’s also the lead-in to the LOKI tv show. They knew that when it was written in. Same goes for even tinier bits of narrative like Ant-Man being at the time travel machine site in ENDGAME when people return from travel, he's in the background of the shot with a plate of orange slices...which is a reference to his "ask" of anyone having any orange slices when he was exhausted in ANT-MAN. It's all for some reason is all. So I’m just saying that there’s no real narrative reason to use Evan Peters QS if he's not the X-Men universe one and with the MCU track record of why they do stuff, it’s going to have a reason. It would be really strange to use him just because we recognize him in the audience.

Again, sorry for upsetting you. I just thought we were just debating the points and I tend to get overzealous with the quote tags.

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[QuickTidal]

Teyonah Parris (Monica) said "When I, well ... I can't wait to see what y'all's reaction is when you learn with the aerospace engineer is,""Everything about this show excites me," she explained. "There are so many little surprises, things you don't expect. So in keeping with the theme the show has already set up, I'm always excited."


Yeah, I can't image this is anyone but Reed Richards. Anyone have any other MCU-based characters who could excite her like this?

Also, I know we've all been talking about John Krasinski as Reed...an idea I support and love and even hope for....but I'm also hearing whispers that Reed might get played by John David Washington which I would also 100% be on board for.

At any rate, I think Reed is the forgone conclusion at this point, but I'm willing to be wrong.

[Malankazooie]

Spider-Man: Far From Home.

What a popcorn muncher of a movie. Fun. But not having seen any of the Thanos Avengers movies (are they called Avengers: From Here to Infinity & Avengers: Game Over Man?) I know I've spoilered those by watching S-M:FFH.

Spoiler

- High school memoriam during morning announcements at the beginning of the movie.
- An event known as "The Blip"
- Ha, when Peter is on the airplane to Europe and he is looking over Netflix movies, there is one called "The Snap"

Spoiler frustrations aside, quite an enjoyable movie. I'm happy they developed the MJ character more and have her broadening out as more then just a woke, goth, sad sack of a smart ass one line interjection plot device.

I saw the ruse though from Mysterio's first scene. Still enjoyed how it played out. Although I have some problems with how that was pulled off, especially seeing how some of it was happening as a reaction and so it sort of defies logic in how it could be put into action without prior planning.

This Spider-Man installment really drives home the "with great power comes great responsibility" theme. Aw, Peter just wants to have his Eat Pray Love / European Vacation romance with MJ.

Also, gosh darnit!

Spoiler

Drones, flippin' drones. I mean, for Spider-Man action scenes with web slinging/swinging, it makes sense, but I think we might be approaching drone exhaustion in cinema soon enough.

Also: Peter-tingle. heh, who thought of that? cheeky little sausages.

Spider-Man: Far From Home was better than the previous movie, but not by a large margin or anything, they are pretty much on par with each other. Fun movie. I shoot two sticky bursts from my web shooters in appreciation.

Damn, now I want to watch that animated one, is it called Into the Spider Vortex or something? And I really want to play the video games that came out recently now.

[Cause]

Into the spider verse is an amazing movie. Put me in such a good mood when I watched it.

[worry]

I'm not huge on Krasinski for that role, but Washington would be good as would William Jackson Harper. I've seen dark horse suggestions (none actually serious in terms of likelihood, mind you) of Glenn Howerton, who'd also be great in my opinion and it would be way outside his usual archetype.

Re: Spider-Man, yah in full agreement both Home movies are basically on par with each other, which is great cuz they're both really entertaining. And Spider-verse manages to outdo both of them, taking nothing away, it's just that good.

I played the PS4 Spider-Man game over the summer and it was also really good. If you like the more open-world/less Metroidvania feel of the latter couple Arkham games, but want something funnier and sunnier (yet still high-stakes and action packed), it'll hit the spot real nice.

[Cause]

Wandavision ...

Okay.

[QuickTidal]

That was a weak AF episode of WV.

Spoiler

Like the only good thing was Monica getting her Photon powers...everything else was meh at best. Even the Darcy and Vision convo was mostly just “catch him up from Ultron to Endgame”.

No introduction of the actual astrophysicist that Monica was talking about, just a SWORD general delivering the vehicle,

Agnes reveal as Agatha Harkness was like “yeah, we’ve been guessing that’s who she was since episode 2 and we saw the brooch. What else is new?”

And we are meant to believe that it was SHE that opened the multiverse?

Just a weak filler episode to shift us to the next two weeks.

[Imperial Historian]

QuickTidal, on 20 February 2021 - 01:36 AM, said:

That was a weak AF episode of WV.

Spoiler

Like the only good thing was Monica getting her Photon powers...everything else was meh at best. Even the Darcy and Vision convo was mostly just “catch him up from Ultron to Endgame”.

No introduction of the actual astrophysicist that Monica was talking about, just a SWORD general delivering the vehicle,

Agnes reveal as Agatha Harkness was like “yeah, we’ve been guessing that’s who she was since episode 2 and we saw the brooch. What else is new?”

And we are meant to believe that it was SHE that opened the multiverse?

Just a weak filler episode to shift us to the next two weeks.

As someone with less knowledge about marvel, both those things were a surprise to me.

The new theme tune was catchy!

[worry]

I liked the episode, even if it probably won't go down as a favorite.

I kinda knew the reveals just from reading people's comics knowledge, here and elsewhere, but I still dug a lot of the character work from Olsen and Bettany.

Spoiler

The fact that it's Wanda's show alone now, and especially her "If your dad doesn't want to be here..." line to the kids, were really well delivered and sad. Wanda's wounds aren't scabbing over anymore and Olsen is nailing it. Plus I think we finally got to see Ralph, hanging out on that curtain. Maybe?

And yah I liked the Munsters/Addams style theme at the end.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Imperial Historian, on 20 February 2021 - 09:28 AM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 February 2021 - 01:36 AM, said:

That was a weak AF episode of WV.

Spoiler

Like the only good thing was Monica getting her Photon powers...everything else was meh at best. Even the Darcy and Vision convo was mostly just “catch him up from Ultron to Endgame”.

No introduction of the actual astrophysicist that Monica was talking about, just a SWORD general delivering the vehicle,

Agnes reveal as Agatha Harkness was like “yeah, we’ve been guessing that’s who she was since episode 2 and we saw the brooch. What else is new?”

And we are meant to believe that it was SHE that opened the multiverse?

Just a weak filler episode to shift us to the next two weeks.

As someone with less knowledge about marvel, both those things were a surprise to me.

The new theme tune was catchy!

Same. The AH reveal was quite surprising!

[Cause]

No knowledge of the character from comics so while I could pick up there were hints something unique was going on with her I had no idea who she was.

Still I think there is even more to be revealed.

[QuickTidal]

Just want to make sure everyone was aware that this past episode had a post-credits scene.

Here it is, in case anyone missed it.

Spoiler

Also, we got a confirmation why both Vision and Pietro were doing things that seemed to not connect to Wanda as Drek noted and it's not what I thought. Because they are being manipulated by Agatha, not Wanda. This also explains Peter's "memories" of Pietro are "planted" by Agatha too.

Peter is also the biggest part of this for me since people say he's not "acting" like himself, and this would explain why. Agatha is still controlling him...so my hope is that in one of the remaining eps he gets "freed" by Vision and we see the real Peter come out and be like "WTF is going on!?"

Also, turns out that the Magneto appearance guess is probably off (Bettany said he's wanted to work with the cameo person his whole life...and it turns out he's already worked with McKellan...and Olsen's comment of "Luke on Mando level" doesn't REALLY line up with Fassbender [I'd love to see him though])....but that it will be Patrick Stewart instead as X-Men Universe's Xavier....which lines up cleanly with both as it's someone Bettany has never worked with before AND a Luke Skywalker on Mando" level cameo. So I'll eat my crow on that guess by me.

The Indonesian leaks (sorry, they weren't Thai, they were Indonesian) seem to support that the massive cameo is incoming...and it makes INFINITE sense...you have a nearly out of control person in Wanda, a witch controlling at least ASPECTS of the Hex...and Wanda getting more and more annoyed and more and more disconnected...so who do you bring in? Professor Charles Xavier who can tell her "I know how you feel, I know what it's like to feel out of control."....he can also explain Multiverse Peter and MAYBE even free up the Hex?

Oh, and I'm still waiting for whatever the reveal is on the Astrophysicist Monica knows...cause it ain't the General who gave her the truck. My money is still on Reed Richards.

....and lastly, SHEER Speculation...but you could have Charles go back to his universe after, and try to seal the multiverse rip himself but in the process drive himself insane...which then causes him to kill the X-Men and kick off the events of LOGAN. Too pat? Probably, and I doubt Disney wants to take the time to line up an old Fox-movie timeline like that....but it would be cool.

Oh and Strange is still reported to show up in the last episode, which ties it into DS 2.

And I heard whispers of a post-Credits scene for the last episode of show that shows Tobey McGuire's Spider-Man in the MCU, which ties into the Multiverse shenanigans kicking off in Spider-Man 3. Who knows though.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 22 February 2021 - 03:21 PM

[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 23 February 2021 - 05:58 AM, said:

This show is the shit!

Hey BK! Welcome back. How goes the house rebuild?

[QuickTidal]

SPIDER-MAN: NO WAY HOME is the official title of Spidey-3.

Ties right into the Multiverse we know is play in the film. Cool!

[Malankazooie]

You guys hip to that Spider-Woman news? I guess the vibe was great on that Chaos Walking movie, so want to keep it going?

Not sure if she fits my picture of the character when I close my eyes and envision the role.

[Tsundoku]

Malankazooie, on 25 February 2021 - 03:16 AM, said:

You guys hip to that Spider-Woman news? I guess the vibe was great on that Chaos Walking movie, so want to keep it going?

Not sure if she fits my picture of the character when I close my eyes and envision the role.

Huh?