[FilthyGnome]

Wow, didn't think there'd be so many people disliking the females of WoT so much. I absoloutely hate them. I simply stopped reading the books because of them. I will however read book 12, purely because of the need to finish a story.

In fact, i skipped practically EVERY single scene involving any of the leading females that happened to be Aes Sedai. Or hell, any leading females for that matter. They simply started getting on my nerves like nothing else. I've never been that annoyed with fictional characters. Stupid ass shit, if you ask me.

I don't mean a slight against Jordan or his creations, but damn i'm happy we're getting a new author. Hopefully he will tone down on the super-bitches.

[Slum]

Yeah, I'm very curious as to how Sanderson plans to address the gripes readers have with certain aspects of RJ's storytelling... I mean, he can't just try and write it how RJ would've. But then again, he can't stray too far from the writing style.

[Lost Marine]

Slumgullion Spitteler;284691 said:

Yeah, I'm very curious as to how Sanderson plans to address the gripes readers have with certain aspects of RJ's storytelling... I mean, he can't just try and write it how RJ would've. But then again, he can't stray too far from the writing style.

Quite frankly I don't envy him this task. It's hard enough to find your own voice much less step in and find someone else's.

[Gem Windcaster]

Abyss;284000 said:

Agreed. Could have used about three chapters more of it.

- Abyss, always knew Nyneave had it in her if she would just bloody stop tugging her arms and crossing her braid all the time...

It's why Nyneave is my favorite braid-tugger.

[Ammanas]

Xander;284331 said:

Couldn't agree more Yellow. All the women parts are waaaaaay too drawn out. It's like he's going way out of his way to make women important.

If I were writing it, the story would have evolved differently. There are only two groups that make me want to puke. There wouldn't be any Red Ajah--Rand would have hunted down and shielded every last one of them and turned em over to Lanfear and company. If he had to use 300 ashaman to crack the White Tower like an egg and eradicate every last living Red Ajah, then so be it.

The Whitecloaks would be next. Every last officer turned over to Fades and Trollocs for butchering.

This is the first series I've read where some of the so-called "good, on the side of the Light" are more heinous than than the evil, nasty Forsaken. At least the Forsaken see themselves clearly.

[Varunwe]

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Rand would have hunted down and shielded every last one of them and turned em over to Lanfear and company.

The Whitecloaks would be next. Every last officer turned over to Fades and Trollocs for butchering.

If Rand did that, it would be pukeworthy. Worse than anything the Red Ajah or the Whitecloaks do.

[Coco with marshmallows]

you know, ive said it before,

but Sanderson really has a hold of the poisoned chalice here.

No matter what happens, a fairly significant number of fans are going to be dissatisfied with his work. I really feel sorry for the guy.

[Optimus Prime]

Cocoreturns;284921 said:

you know, ive said it before,

but Sanderson really has a hold of the poisoned chalice here.

No matter what happens, a fairly significant number of fans are going to be dissatisfied with his work. I really feel sorry for the guy.

I agree Coco, and yet, he seems to relish the task. The wild card here is, we don't know how much RJ dictated. Is BS just filling in the little gaps of the final book? How much liberty is he being given with the story? I don't envy him his task, and if there is backlash, it could screw his writing career for some time.

I'm not a big fan of his, but that wouldn't be fair to him at all.

[Abyss]

Cocoreturns;284921 said:

you know, ive said it before,

but Sanderson really has a hold of the poisoned chalice here.

No matter what happens, a fairly significant number of fans are going to be dissatisfied with his work. I really feel sorry for the guy.

Yes, but the same could have been said if RJ had lived to finish it.

Don't feel too bad for BS - he's an up-and-coming talent who will only benefit from this, no matter how the (unwashed, living in their parents' basements typing on a disturbingly sticky keyboard) hoardes demand his kidneys for the book he writes.

- Abyss, down-and-leaving...

[Cause]

I actually recently began a re-read. Well of the male chapters anyway and I skipped book three (I can still remeber my frustration with the dragon reborn when i first read it when I realised the main character, and thats what rand still was at this stage not just one of several main characters alongside the likes of perrin and mat, was not in the book.) The books had potential and 'magic' in plenty but somewhere that magic died. Procrastination, dead end plots, unnecessary side characters all took their corrosive toll.

Spoiler

I stopped my re-read at the end of book five Ill start up again sometime soon Im sure. But the re-read made me think. The whole idea of male channelers going mad was so original and so clever but in a way catastrophic for the story. Rand is insane and getting madder with every book. Im not sure I always felt this way but its definatly always been their and I think on the second time round more clear. He laughs to himself, laughs out loud at innapropriate times, talks to himself, talks to voices in his head, becomes obssessed with not killing women (On my re-read I decided this was part of his madness whether as a part of his taint or just his character this obsession begins to crack him and crack him hard). In the end we end up with a main character who is insane, whose character growth has taken him from likeable and reasonable to emotionless erractic and always angry. In the end the original idea I always liked so much (the taint of sadin) killed rand as a character.

And of course we have to thank his insanity for the like of cadsuane becoming neccessary. I hope she dies in the last battle.

[paladin]

reread.. who would want to put themselves through that torture a second time?

maybe someone should come up with an abridged version, cutting out all unnecessary side plots and redundant occurances. might even be a manageable 3-4 book series then

[Slum]

Oh, I thought he found a way to cleanse his taint...

Ha, that doesn't sound good.

[Optimus Prime]

Cause;285621 said:

I actually recently began a re-read. Well of the male chapters anyway and I skipped book three (I can still remeber my frustration with the dragon reborn when i first read it when I realised the main character, and thats what rand still was at this stage not just one of several main characters alongside the likes of perrin and mat, was not in the book.) The books had potential and 'magic' in plenty but somewhere that magic died. Procrastination, dead end plots, unnecessary side characters all took their corrosive toll.

Spoiler

I stopped my re-read at the end of book five Ill start up again sometime soon Im sure. But the re-read made me think. The whole idea of male channelers going mad was so original and so clever but in a way catastrophic for the story. Rand is insane and getting madder with every book. Im not sure I always felt this way but its definatly always been their and I think on the second time round more clear. He laughs to himself, laughs out loud at innapropriate times, talks to himself, talks to voices in his head, becomes obssessed with not killing women (On my re-read I decided this was part of his madness whether as a part of his taint or just his character this obsession begins to crack him and crack him hard). In the end we end up with a main character who is insane, whose character growth has taken him from likeable and reasonable to emotionless erractic and always angry. In the end the original idea I always liked so much (the taint of sadin) killed rand as a character.

And of course we have to thank his insanity for the like of cadsuane becoming neccessary. I hope she dies in the last battle.

I think Rand's transformation through the books is one of the most fascinating parts of the series, but you're right, it does make some female characters that are annoying more relevant.

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

Slumgullion Spitteler;285642 said:

Oh, I thought he found a way to cleanse his taint...

I think we read different versions!

[Optimus Prime]

So I've heard rumors that A Memory of Light could be 2,000 pages.....

:eek:

I'm sure that's an exaggeration...but it will probably be a massive book...no?

[Raymond Luxury Yacht]

If all storylines are tied up, it could go 2000 no problem. That could be a good or bad thing.

[Optimus Prime]

Very, very bad IMO.

I wonder if BS just told TOR that he needed two books...would they even listen?

I know they had put pressure on RJ even to finish in one book....before he passed

[Pallol One Eye]

Sanderson recently blogged on his website that he was hoping to finish AMOL in 300,000 words, but expected it to run longer, and that Jordan was aiming at the 300,000 - 400,000 words. He also said that New Spring was 120,000 words to give it some perspective.

So it's gonna be a biggie any way you look at it.

There's ton's of stuff that he's talked about on his website about his re-reads of the series and his thoughts on it. Interesting reading

Here's a link to that blog:

http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/619/R...oL-Progress-Bar

[Cause]

The covers we get my side of town are just 11 diffrent coloured versions of an aes sedais ring a snake eating its own tale intertwined with a seven spoked wagon wheel so yeah I got an idea what to expect.

[Werthead]

Those are the UK covers from Orbit. It's quite amusing that Orbit just gave up on the US covers as being utterly unbearable and went with the symbols as being far more tasteful and stylish.

The US covers from Tor, painted by Darrell K. 'Lameass' Sweet, were pretty hideous until they got to Book 11, where Sweet obviously lost the will to live altogether or something:



Remember, this is the kind of shit that Tor was dealing out to their biggest-selling author. The covers they are inflicting on the MBF seem almost mild by comparison.