[Mentalist]

Re: Karsa + the Malazans

Once he gets back he's gonna do some major Witnessing on the Nathii slavers... and the Malazans will probably get involved with that...

Re: the kids.... sigh, we can only pray...

[Optimus Prime]

I keep wondering if the CG knows how obstinate Karsa is and somehow is manipulating him....like Karsa thinks he's not doing what the CG wants...but somehow...in a roundabout way...it's happening.

I wonder if we'll see Ubala gather up the Tarthenal and follow Karsa as well....that'd be a perfect mixture of stupidity and raw strength in one force

[buddhacat]

Didn't Tehol make Ublala the Finadd or somesuch?

[Optimus Prime]

buddhacat;266868 said:

Didn't Tehol make Ublala the Finadd or somesuch?

heh, he was trying.

I don't think Tehol could even make that stick though, and the whole Ubala/Karsa tie seems like the beginning of something....Ubala seemed to see himself following Karsa.

Like his "First Sword" if you will,

[Talamadas]

We can solve the problem until we know the real answer by saying that the Eres did it.
Time travel ftw.
I do think that there is going to be some "plausible" explanation. SE and his proof readers(especially the ones that are on this forum) wouldnt have overlooked such a time line problem.

[Aptorian]

Or would they? They overlooked the fact that the entire redmask/awl storyline made absolutly no sense...

Oh no he didn't :eek:

[caladanbrood]

It made sense, it was just pointless

[Aptorian]

I would still had taken a moment on the phone with Mr. Erikson

[Thelomen Toblerone]

caladanbrood;266716 said:

Karsa ran away as a kid and hasn't been seen since... he'll do well to be in total control of them. Still, you're probably right, but it'll be dissapointment if he totally dominates them

I'd imagine the Teblor have some sort of Barghast-like (Trotts in MoI) challenge ritual to determine who's worthy to lead. And let's face it, Karsa would take any teblor who stood up to him, so I think dominance is possible through fear.

[Tattooed Hand]

buddhacat;266699 said:

Karsa will be their Warleader. That's sort of a King. What the Teblor think is of little relevance, it's what Karsa thinks that'll hold. That's the nature of that society. That the Teblor hate Children (generic) is known, Karsa has contempt for them too. But the Malazans are explicitly not an enemy. So unless the Teblor rebel against Karsa, there is no way they will initiate war with the Malazans.

Now, the Malazans - being ignorant - may provoke war (after all, Laseen is not exactly in full control.) That's not the same as the Teblor declaring war on the Malazans.

Yeah, I agree. Karsa is going to ejubicate his people, shattering all their beliefs and superstitions and he'll reinforce that with ass kicking of any dumb enough to dissent. Because he both knows more than any of them of the world and of their own history and also is the strongest and bad assest of them.

They aren't going to attack the Malazans and Karsa sure as hell isn't going to help out the CG. Why would he do that?!

[Tattooed Hand]

I also cannot figure out why everyone gets so upset about the timeline. OK, there are some major inconsistencies, but I just shrug, and realize that this is fantasy. People can morph into animals too for god's sake.

Leoman could have screwed up Karsa's age because he could know F**k all about TTT lifespans.

I have to believe that the Teblor girls just stay girls for a long time, not have a slow motion infancy/childhood. Or else that's a lot of freaking breastfeeding, yo...

[Abyss]

Teblor children grows up fast. Survival mechanism. Magic. Genetic manipulation by KC matrons several millenium ago. Karsa's sperm have their own warrens. Done.
OR: they really are five years old and also, hey, magic!

Also, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important....

- Abyss, notes the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important....

[Jorram]

Epic fantasy never aimed to defy logic...

[Jason]

Maybe Karsa and his two buddies passed through some warp in the time space continuem as they left the Teblor lands.

Maybe the deformed teblor are now being led by Kallor "the Tyrant" along with the Selugh.

Maybe the girls are actually little Goddesses like daddy and that makes em grow up real fast.

Yeah, that might be the case but I think the truth is SE just got it wrong.

Anyway it doesn't matter. I reckon it will be massively cool to see those two "witness" Daddy in action.

[Coco with marshmallows]

Abyss;267854 said:

Also, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important....

- Abyss, notes the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important, the timeline is not important....

Also: Fiddler's age is irrelevant, Fiddlers age is irrelevant, Fiddlers age is irrelevant.....

and: The Barghast canoes are Delorean's, The Barghast canoes are Delorean's, The Barghast canoes are Delorean's.....


and so on.

[Skywalker]

Cocoreturns;267946 said:

and: The Barghast canoes are Delorean's, The Barghast canoes are Delorean's, The Barghast canoes are Delorean's.....

So I take it Onrack, in painting Kilava's nether regions onto rock gave Tool the idea for the flux capacitor??

I like it when not all symbology is phallic in nature

ANYWAY..

Jason said:

Yeah, that might be the case but I think the truth is SE just got it wrong.

Anyway it doesn't matter. I reckon it will be massively cool to see those two "witness" Daddy in action.

I like how you're coming around to the "The timeline is not important" viewpoint.

EDIT: 700th post! Yay me!

[Holsety]

Damn. I am really pissed his daughters aren't babies anymore. I wanted to see Karsa burping a baby.

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Yeah, I agree. Karsa is going to ejubicate his people, shattering all their beliefs and superstitions and he'll reinforce that with ass kicking of any dumb enough to dissent.

Not so sure about "shattering all their beliefs and superstitions" - remember his conversations with Samar Dev? About tradition and such giving life meaning? I'm sure he's going to be smashing the "myth" of Pahlk though, and if the seven do still have anything to do with the teblor I'm sure he won't be so kindly disposed towards them. But that doesn't mean there won't be a return to the true myths of the teblor or somethin like that.

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I have to believe that the Teblor girls just stay girls for a long time, not have a slow motion infancy/childhood. Or else that's a lot of freaking breastfeeding, yo...

BTW. I seem to remember something about some of the teblor tribes having "degenerated" from breeding with humans or something. Or having forgotten teblor ways. Or something. I only read HoC once (I will remedy that when I get it from my house during my spring break) but is it possible that the women karsa raped weren't 100% teblor? Or is the tribe he was attacking still pure teblor?

[Bent]

Holsety;267968 said:

BTW. I seem to remember something about some of the teblor tribes having "degenerated" from breeding with humans or something. Or having forgotten teblor ways. Or something. I only read HoC once (I will remedy that when I get it from my house during my spring break) but is it possible that the women karsa raped weren't 100% teblor? Or is the tribe he was attacking still pure teblor?

I am probably mistaken, But aren't the women from the tribe, also from the tribe that wrote on the cave wall that the 3 pure bloods found? Icarium seperated the tribes. Also, I have a hard time believing that the timeline is inconsistent...SE has a main character who's sole misson in life seems to track and measure time....

Okay, having said that.... My crazy theory is this...

The girls are in fact around 15 or 16, When Iccy, stepped into the machine, time slipped forward several years. Anything in a warren(including those in Rake's sword) were not affected...anything without, was...this would lead me to believe that the prologue is indeed acurate. Like I said, crazy, but I don't believe SE would bring the children out, unless they where old enough to smash some "children".

Edit: I know Xander, but I really needed to sound off, @ tattooed-hand- I disagree, I am pretty sure that Iccy took all of the tribes and split them up to weaken them, and only Karsa's tribe is "pure".

[Optimus Prime]

Bent;267996 said:

I am probably mistaken, But aren't the women from the tribe, also from the tribe that wrote on the cave wall that the 3 pure bloods found? Icarium seperated the tribes. Also, I have a hard time believing that the timeline is inconsistent...SE has a main character who's sole misson in life seems to track and measure time....

Okay, having said that.... My crazy theory is this...

The girls are in fact around 15 or 16, When Iccy, stepped into the machine, time slipped forward several years. Anything in a warren(including those in Rake's sword) were not affected...anything without, was...this would lead me to believe that the prologue is indeed acurate. Like I said, crazy, but I don't believe SE would bring the children out, unless they where old enough to smash some "children".

OMG you posted in here Bent!!! Better be careful, you are perilously close to tipping over the 100 post count

I'm sure somebody will ask Erikson in an interview or at a fan convention about this timeline question and we'll have it cleared up then. I'm more interested in Karsa's reaction to meeting his children.

[Tattooed Hand]

The women, if I recall correctly, were the first tribe over from Karsa's, which were the furtherest away from the regular humans. The tribe closest to the humans was the most diluted and Karsa's POV didn't seem to see anything diluted about these ladies. I think they are full blooded Teblor kids.

I've got to go back and read REaper's Gale but want to wait until TtH is close of else I'll be left writhing in agony when it's over.