[Dolorous Menhir]

kud13;212461 said:

looks real good, Clip. one small thing about he shake: do they have anything to do with KCCM? i believe that was mentioned in RG...

Yes - the KCCM somehow seeded the oceans, and this has led to the coastal Shake occasionally picking up KCCM mutations. The priest/witch group within the Shake are all such mutants, I think. I don't really understand the mechanism of it though.

Onrack the breakable;212523 said:

I'm just contrary and nonconformist by nature.

Translated: I like to talk bollocks.

[Lisheo]

I thought that the oceans were seeded when the bellies of pregnant KCCM matrons were sliced open and their unborn foetus type things survived in the ocean. I didnt think it was deliberate.
The KCCM spores must carry with them the ability to tap magic of some kind, which is probably the practically dead KCCM warren Kaschan, or the Imperial Warren.

[Onrack the breakable]

Thats another point about evolution. Perhaps why the Imass are called asses, for thinking that fire is life. Even for stars, water is life. What is water but hydrogen and oxygen. As the first element hydrogen is literally the first water even for stars (unless the first stars were matter/antimatter engines in which case they would've exploded instantaneously and with unimaginable violence).

I seems the conclusion that may be hinting towards is that magic and use of magic is too destructive and damaging to everyone to be allowed. Which is no surprise. It would be far worse than allowing infants to carry around buttons that if pushed would ignite nuclear bombs in major cities.

[Dolorous Menhir]

Yes, that's just what I was about to say.

[Onrack the breakable]

Moving from stars to galaxies..

Lets skip the question of if the universe of Wu had a big bang or not and advance a bit further.Its funny how people are always saying that im always off the subject and yet anyone with a functional brain might be able to think and realize what I'm saying is simply a different perspective on the same subject.

Anyway..

A quasar is thought to be the active nucleus of a young galaxy. The scientific concensus (meaning a majority of scientists believe it is the most likely explanation so far but have no measurable evidence to support)
is that a quasar is a halo of mattesurrounding the central supermassive black hole of a young galaxy. Quasars also show an extremely high redshift, meaning they either are moving very fast or are very distant, perhaps glimpses of the state of the universe near the beginning. The closest quasar is 780 million light years away and the farthest detected is 13 billion light years away.

Quasar emmisions indicate energies far in excess of known energy conversion process, including nuclear fusion. There are some suggestions that quasars are made of some hitherto unknown form of stable antimatter others speculate that quasars are the white hole end of a worm hole but that is just passing the buck.

Like if someone asks, "but where does it come from?" and someone answering, "from somewhere else". Very scientific.

Ok, lets go back to stars for Karsas sake..Sigh.

Now it is interesting the Toblackai and Tarthenal are referred to as TT or TTT and that T Tauri are stars. Pre-main sequence stars (the youngest visible) with temperatures similar to main sequence stars (like our own modest sun) but they are significantly more luminous because radii are larger. Their central temperatures are too low for hydrogen fusion and are powered by gravitational energy released as the stars contract towards the main sequence which they reach after about 100 million years.

In other words, Karsa needs to collect alot more (y)ears. Like 99.9 million more.

Is that sufficient pun ishment? Or must someone be ex pun ged.

Hee, hee!!

[The Tyrant Lizard]

Yes, that's just what I was about to say.

[Onrack the breakable]

I like your sig Lizard. It sort of suggest the rest of the world is Britian's defecation. Hehe. I appreciate sly insults.

[The Tyrant Lizard]

No insult intended... I was trying to find a good quote for the Empire, and this was the only one I could find that wasn't saying how shit it was.

[Onrack the breakable]

Oh, thats just as funny. My sense of humor sometimes gets away from me then I feel like a rotten monster for insulting innocent lizards. All my puns and sorry jokes was just trying show why I think mixing religion and science is just asking for a tragic comedy of epic proportions. The funniest thing is this: there is no way to cheat but some people have to keep trying...

Hee, hee!

[Aptorian]

Yes, that's just what I was about to say.

[Aptorian]

I've been speculating about this, unfortunantly I don't have my DG or HoC nearby, but.

Nachts and Bockarala should they be added to the list? Under the Jaghut treebranch?

Nachts are clearly intelligent, if somewhat chaotic in nature. One could speculate that the Bockarala are descendants of Jaghut Nachts.

The reason to why I don't just think the Bockarala are (all) normal dessert monkeys is hints thrown around in the two 7C books. Things in the way the monkeys act around Pust and also, if I'm not mistaken there's actually monkey litterature in some of the headlines of the beginning of chapters. They're attributed to "something something bockarala". (Yes I know this could be a "stage name" for some guy like the name Fisher Kel'tath)

[Clip]

Nachts came after Bockarala, they were created from Bockarala by the Jaghut to be more intelligent.

Bockarala are probably just an intelligent primate, like chimps. I don't think that they have any genetic link with other species, especially Jaghut. I would have to back really far to a common ancestor, some precursor to both them and Eres.

[Skywalker]

I always thought Nachts were creations of the CG... or that they somehow came with him from wherever he was pulled from.

[Aptorian]

zomg chaos monkeys

[Shurque's biatch]

And everyone thinks that the donkeygoth theory won't die.

MONKEYGOTHS :eek: Right out of the Wizard of Oz.

[Apsalar Shadowdancer]

I just read this in one sitting, my head has exploded and the chaos monkeys hit the submit button.

[Gem Windcaster]

Shouldn't Tiste have their own tree? I mean, they aren't really from Wu are they?

[Mentalist]

They are included at points where they interbreed with the natives of Wuafter theirr arrival--but they are kept aloof in the feneral scheme of things--there really is no way to differentiate the Shake fro regular humans unless you specify the Andii blood in them

[Obdigore]

Gem Windcaster;255971 said:

Shouldn't Tiste have their own tree? I mean, they aren't really from Wu are they?

I was wondering this too. Weren't they created by MommyD/FatherL, or some combo thereof? Meaning they, as a race, did not mate with another race to come into existence?

[Mentalist]

Yes. That's why on the tree there is no source that leads to them (tree reads top-down with the ancestors being higher up). Tiste are only listed to indicate when they interbred with the species that are in the tree to produce other species in the tree (Shake, Moranth?). The origin of the Tiste races (or the Jaghut, on the other side of the tree), is unspecified..