[Gem Windcaster]

Set said:

Which means Hood has a dead wife and dead kids. Think his request to Paran is related to them?

Ooh, I like that theory! :cool:

[tiam]

Dolorous Menhir;185053 said:

The sea where Knuckles and Kilmandaros are could be anywhere in the world.

I doubt it. It seems to be close to Lether as Rake put KIL in an azath after she tried to stop his 'betrayal'. Therefore i dont think its that far away

[Agraba]

The wind talking to Hedge was Hood. That would justify the book's title.

[Danyah]

Monoch Ochem;185698 said:

Good catch with the Beak going through Hood's gate thing Dolo. Thanks.

If Sinn was usung SD, SOMEone would have recognised it and moreover, I sincerely doubt that as powerful as she may be, she could wield the chaos-aspected SD. A human using the Eleint warren.... I still think it's something to do with OP.

Her warren could be Telas or something fire related. She repelled the firestorm in Y'Gathan, didn't she? And what better to kill ice than fire. A descendant of an Imass warren against a dying Jaghut ritual.

[Xaspian]

How's this for crazy?

House of Chains, on p140, said:

"What is your name?"
"Torvald Nom, though to my Malazan enemies, I'm known as Knuckles"

Co-incidence? Or conspiracy?

Okay, so there's probably no link at all. But, it could be possible that they're the same person... maybe? Please?

[Abyss]

Oh crap. That IS crazy. Or just another 'Pearl' moment.

In the Crazy Theory category:

- Those kids from Avalii are NOT actualy Rake's. 'Darist lied.

- Because of Beak's 'white candle', all the Bonehunters are now aspected to Hood.

- Stormy is Toc the Elder. The ref to him being 'Sheild Anvil' in TB was actually in the context of his service to Hood.

- The Wolves can recall AnasToc any time they want.

- The K'chain Che'malle have evolved and are aspecting humans to avoid enslavement by 'old school' Matrons.



- Abyss, notes at least no one's gender switched.

[Danyah]

Stormy, Gessler and thruth were from the cult of Fener, so I guess he's still shield anvil to the Pig of War that Hides Behind the Whimpy Errant. As for being Toc the Older. He was a famous Adjutant on his own before being kicked down to coastal guard corporal.

Anastoc, the Wolves own Pokemon. Recall him when you want and discover what he will Evolve In Next.

[tiam]

Abyss;193856 said:

Oh crap. That IS crazy. Or just another 'Pearl' moment.

In the Crazy Theory category:

- Those kids from Avalii are NOT actualy Rake's. 'Darist lied.

WHY?

- Because of Beak's 'white candle', all the Bonehunters are now aspected to Hood.

How come? Thats light aspected. I thought it was KT

- Stormy is Toc the Elder. The ref to him being 'Sheild Anvil' in TB was actually in the context of his service to Hood.

Cant really see it. Everyone thought Toc was Squint until they realsied Duiker would recognise him. Everyone recognised Stormy

- The Wolves can recall AnasToc any time they want.

Yey probably

- The K'chain Che'malle have evolved and are aspecting humans to avoid enslavement by 'old school' Matrons.

Maybe the KCNR


- Abyss, notes at least no one's gender switched.

And on the subject of crazy theories this one does sound feasible (ish)

KIL kids are FA. Overwhelming evidence with the whole mother thing. However it is entirely possible for her to have spawned another race having traits of Imass, TTT and FA. Therefore it is possible to say that.

KIL is Iccys mum
KIL gave birth to the Jhag therefore making Icarium one of if not the first Jhag born of a TTT (in this case KIL)
TTT get their Jaghut blood from Gothos making them KIL children.

[Lister of Smeg]

While rereading RG last night, I came up with a couple of crazy theories of my own:

1) Karsa Orlong is being manipulated by an Elder God - Ardata. The tattoos on his face are described as looking like a spiderweb sometimes, and Ardata seems to be the Goddess of Spiders.

2) Silchas Ruin mentions that KCCM shed their skin, and that some of them use this skin for writing on. Maybe Redmask's mask had KCCM writing on that got the KCCM to follow him.

3) When K'rul created the warrens, he gave each one an independent entity of some sort to regulate it. This includes the Mockra that talked to Seren Pedac. Each warren needed to be able to converse with the others, according to Mockra, or the warrens would fill with despair. It also mentions another face, one that is always turned away to everyone except for K'rul. My instant thought when I read that was of Kruppe. He seems to be very close to K'rul, and we don't really know why. Maybe K'rul made Kruppe be some sort of counter to the warrens. Kruppe might not even know. Mockra says that face is virtually omnipotent, so long as it remains turned away.

Not really sure where that last theory is going - it sounded so much better when I thought of it last night. Mockra says there has to be constant dialogue, and Kruppe is always talking to himself. He has immense power. He is very close to K'rul. Maybe he's not just a mortal chosen by K'rul for his brains.

[Flawed]

Lister of Smeg;200664 said:

While rereading RG last night, I came up with a couple of crazy theories of my own:

1) Karsa Orlong is being manipulated by an Elder God - Ardata. The tattoos on his face are described as looking like a spiderweb sometimes, and Ardata seems to be the Goddess of Spiders.

2) Silchas Ruin mentions that KCCM shed their skin, and that some of them use this skin for writing on. Maybe Redmask's mask had KCCM writing on that got the KCCM to follow him.

3) When K'rul created the warrens, he gave each one an independent entity of some sort to regulate it. This includes the Mockra that talked to Seren Pedac. Each warren needed to be able to converse with the others, according to Mockra, or the warrens would fill with despair. It also mentions another face, one that is always turned away to everyone except for K'rul. My instant thought when I read that was of Kruppe. He seems to be very close to K'rul, and we don't really know why. Maybe K'rul made Kruppe be some sort of counter to the warrens. Kruppe might not even know. Mockra says that face is virtually omnipotent, so long as it remains turned away.

Not really sure where that last theory is going - it sounded so much better when I thought of it last night. Mockra says there has to be constant dialogue, and Kruppe is always talking to himself. He has immense power. He is very close to K'rul. Maybe he's not just a mortal chosen by K'rul for his brains.

Good surmisastion!

Is that even a word?

Is your Alter Ego a kin to Ace then chap?............

That's a good call about Karsa. I always thought they described the tattoo as a " Shattered " design. So his face looks broken not webbed and so not one of Ardetta's?

Also with the K'chain and Redmask..... I thought they followed him because he was the Mortal Sword of the K'chain? Granted we didn't really get much guts about that particular story line and perhaps that will be a novella or some such, but I'm sure that was what Toc the younger said to him?

Good call though on both!.

I have one.

Cotillon and Shadowthrone are collecting all the Assassins like Kalam and Rallick and Vorcan and Apsalar and all the survivors of the Tlan Imass Throne defence and they will create a small army. With this small army they will use their knowledge of the Azath and systematically bump off all the Guardians not loyal to them. By doing this they will gain control of all the Azath and Holds and Thrones and either use all that power to destroy people left right and centre or they will do nothing and create such a moot point that it is all null and void. Magic, power and struggle. All pointless.

Their ultimate goal perhaps!!?

How about that one?

[Puck]

I thought the wind talking to Hedge was the soul of the Jaghut on the Throne of Ice. But if this body belongs to Hood, who was the wind? Or was it Hood nevertheless? :confused:

*ducks away from all the piercing looks for bringing this topic up again*

[Flawed]

Puck;200728 said:

I thought the wind talking to Hedge was the soul of the Jaghut on the Throne of Ice. But if this body belongs to Hood, who was the wind? Or was it Hood nevertheless? :confused:

I thought it was Hood. Bending his ear this way and that.

Hedge thought it was a dead God not quite admitting it was dead but i thought it was Hood himself. Giving Hedge a nudge.

" Reapers Gale! "

I could be wrong. it could be a lot of hot air.

Sorry!

[Dolorous Menhir]

Puck;200728 said:

I thought the wind talking to Hedge was the soul of the Jaghut on the Throne of Ice. But if this body belongs to Hood, who was the wind? Or was it Hood nevertheless? :confused:

*ducks away from all the piercing looks for bringing this topic up again*

The dead Jaghut on the Throne of Ice was Hood, the voice of the wind was Hood. Don't think you can argue any other way.

[Illuyankas]

Karsa's tattoo is described as a web of cracks occasionally, but after a point you get sick of the number of people who could be manipulating everyone. Besides, it's Karsa, he'll get anybody who tries to mess him around again.

[vilepiglet]

just some questions of things i don't get -
if warren of shadow is a piece KE and is shattered does this mean the Throne is useless cos anyone can occupy a piece of the warren as a god. i.e drhyjna

also was/is Trull the Knight of Shadow? And what was kalam to shadow? As both are ascendents shouldn't they be able to return to the Warren to survive?

also Sinn's magic seems to be elemental. Fire and ice manipulation of existing forces.

why was Quick Ben so shocked that Hedge would identify him as soletaken. was it shock and surprise at being found out.

Is the Errant only aspected as god in letheras? Is he bound to the cedance in Letheras nopt the holds. Does this mean that construction under Letheras is a piece of the shattered warren - the source of his power.

[Dolorous Menhir]

vilepiglet;200898 said:

just some questions of things i don't get -
if warren of shadow is a piece KE and is shattered does this mean the Throne is useless cos anyone can occupy a piece of the warren as a god. i.e drhyjna

Not sure.

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also was/is Trull the Knight of Shadow? And what was kalam to shadow? As both are ascendents shouldn't they be able to return to the Warren to survive?

Trull was definitely the Knight. Kalam was the Assassin in one reading, this does not mean he occupied the position permanently. It was a reading about his attempted assassination of Laseen in DG, not a usurpation of Cotillion's role in the House.

Trull and Kalam are not confirmed ascendants.

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also Sinn's magic seems to be elemental. Fire and ice manipulation of existing forces.

I agree, Sinn seems to be proficient in controlling fire and ice. I like the idea that she uses the still unspecified human warren of ice (there has to be one).

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why was Quick Ben so shocked that Hedge would identify him as soletaken. was it shock and surprise at being found out.

Not sure. QB was a known Soletaken before that scene, at least among the forum members. Can't remember what the in-book confirmation of that is though.

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Is the Errant only aspected as god in letheras? Is he bound to the cedance in Letheras nopt the holds. Does this mean that construction under Letheras is a piece of the shattered warren - the source of his power.

As explained in MT, the Errant has been forgotten in the world outside Letheras. That is why he is confined there, it is the only place he still has power. Not sure why you are linking this to the shattered warren.

[Mulch]

How about

Toc inheriting the boddy of the Errant, now that it only has one eye?

[Locke Reaper]

I don't think that the wind was hood speaking to hedge, it could have been just a echo of the older realm an forgotten realm.

just a question if you become ascendant are you necessarily aspected ?

[Leek]

Mulch;201378 said:

Toc inheriting the boddy of the Errant, now that it only has one eye?

I think this is genius

Now, we know that Hood is Jaghut (Fener too? he has tusks...) and Kilmandaros seems to be the Elder God of the Forkrul Assail, but theres no Forkrul Assail/KCCM/KCNR ascendants we know of, yet every other race has at least one.

So, Poliel/Soliel are (was in Poliels case) since there in balace (disease Vs healing) wich is a huge thing for the Forkrul Assail, however there description is very similar to those of the Shake (KCCM features, as mentioned by Twilight) they have 3 taloned toes (like KCCM) but other then that they iirc had some Forkrul Traits, so FA/KCCM hybrids...?

Now the KCCM/KCNR, dont seem to have any ascendants/Gods, theres never a mention of them worshipping anything, with the KCCM basicly being a hive mind, so they "worship" there Matron. Also, with Redmask being the Mortal Sword of the KCCM, well from all the previous mentions Mortal Swords are warriors with divine gifts from a specific god, so... which god gifted Redmask?

As the for the KCNR, well there the most advanced race thats ever lived it seems, symbiotic robot parasites (found in the stomach of a KCRN by Samar Dev), Anti-Grav flying keeps (but this seems to be there magic, since the whole ritual that destroys the universe thing sounds a lot like a Black Hole) and maybe living on the moon (Someone elses theory I read on the forum), and they have a bunch of Skykeeps floating around in the Imperial Warrent

So from all this I think we're going to see a resurgence of the old civil war that destroyed the KCCM/KCNR, with one side being manipulated by the Crippled God (who someone said in there theory, might be a god from the moon, since hes obviously from another planet) and the other side being the "good" or Malazan equivalent opposing them.

So to sum up, basicly the next three books are going to explore the other races quite a bit more I think.

[majander]

Leek;202292 said:

(Fener too? he has tusks...)

Ummm. Dude?

He's a boar? With, you know, tusks and all...