[Shurque's biatch]

xanth13;209154 said:

I’m pretty sure Tomad and Uruth are dead.... Triban gnoll doesn’t seem that careless as to let them live. but you never know...

I do like the Seran being Pregnant with the rapist's child... but I think Bugg would have caught on to that. and I’m not sure how much time passed between the rape and her boning Trull but I thought it was quit a bit.

I really hope Featherbitch stays dead.

Lol, mm King of High House shadow a member of the Rat catcher’s guild... not sure about that one...maybe he will join later... or recruit some people from the guild....I would hire them

What about FW and Shurq as a priate team?

Hmm, maybe I have it backwards, ST and Cot started the rat catchers guild and use it to keep track in Lether?

[Seed]

rahahahakramer99999999;209530 said:

i dont think it was ever stated that rake put killy in the azath house but since the last time we saw her she was with rake than its not an altogether ridiculous idea.

Being at work I don't have access to my copy of RG. However Kilmandaros being trapped in the azath was referred to in her conversation with Knuckles (Setchul Lath?) about page 640-641ish, kilmandaros said she struck first in anticipation of his later betrayal and knuckles said that Anomander was one of the last people likely to go back on his word. So I'd say a likely scenario would be Kilmandaros and Purake team up to cast out the interlopers in the shattering Kurald Emhurlahn, then Kilmandaros turns and bops Anomander from behind anticipating that now all the vultures had been cast out he would turn on her (perhaps to then claim the warren remanents for himself, who can know what she was thinking), he defends himself and the battle ends with him casting Kilmandaros into an Azath. Or something like that.

Incidentally I don't think that the Knuckles/Kilmandaros Azath is geographically near to lether, only spiritually close as it were.

[Locke Reaper]

wasn't killy in the ocean?
doesn't that then hint at some help from a specific manservant, or was it just that the ocean flooded that section of the world?

[Aptorian]

Locke Reaper;209583 said:

wasn't killy in the ocean?
doesn't that then hint at some help from a specific manservant, or was it just that the ocean flooded that section of the world?

Azath of the sea.

The whole Killy thing is the work of Knuckles not Mael.

[farengi]

So who exactly is Knuckles ... and if SR is free from the Azath now, is Kilmandaros also going to be coming out?

[Flawed]

Vengance;208239 said:

Is it possible that Quick Ben has an elder god in him.
He has a lot of arcane knowledge, in MoI , when Quick is facing all of the Seerdomin at the beginning of the battle of coral, He sends a wall of shadow and dirt straight down to take out the entire company. Just missing the Bridgeburners. Blend mentions at the time that it just wasn't possible for someone to do that unless they were a god. Also he unleashes 9 simultaneous illusions something that blend doesn't think is possible. In GOTM he showed total mastery of powers thought long lost. What if one of the Souls that he absorbed had earlier absorbed the Soul of the elder god Grizzin Farl?

Well,

At that time QB had the sticksnare Talemenderendarorendas, or whatever his name was, perched on his shoulder. He had a untethered direct link to Hood and was backed up by the White Face Gods.

Don't get me wrong, i think there is far more to QB then we all know, as much was said by Hedge in Reapers, but i think in this particular instance it can be explained by the above.

[Aptorian]

farengi;209628 said:

So who exactly is Knuckles ... and if SR is free from the Azath now, is Kilmandaros also going to be coming out?

All I remember hearing about him before RG is his name coming up in the list in the back of MT. Back then I just thought it was a tittle, which come to think of it, it probably is. I don't remember his name being mentioned specifically in Feather Witches Tile Show. Apparently Knuckles is a part of the Lether pantheon/belief system.

More precise he's an unalligned ascendant in the Holds. Like Oponn, K'rull, Dessembrae, etc.

[Kage-za]

Shurque said:

Seran is not pregnant with Trull's child, but either from the rape (surpressed with her high mage skill in denial) or from Mockra itself.

Sorry Shuque's Biatch, I think over 2 years pass between MT and RG.

And... I just can't resist bringing up Dassem Ultor in any crazy theory thread so...
Theory: We finally see Dassem as Dessembrae, except he is against ST and Cotillion because they have an alliance with Hood. He could be on the CG's side in the war of the Gods.

Theory 2: Tool becomes a follower of Dessembrae because of his grief over Toc --cruelly taken by Hood right before his eyes. The first swords unite. Tavore's plans to unite with the Barghast go amok.

and not so crazy but...
Theory 3: Iccy's machine starting up has unforseen consequences in Genabackis and 7 cities where he has other timekeeping devices (Darujistan, Teblor lands, etc.) and will occupy Mappo's storyline during TtH.

Finally just for fun--Mommy Dark and/or Tiam are KC Matrons

[Shurque's biatch]

Kage-za;209656 said:

Sorry Shuque's Biatch, I think over 2 years pass between MT and RG.

Wait up now. What part of crazy are you not getting?

Kage-za;209656 said:

Finally just for fun--Mommy Dark and/or Tiam are KC Matrons

Ouch, that is just, ew. I can't get the picture of poor Toc in the love grip out of my mind enough to populate a race of dragons from a matron...

[Dolorous Menhir]

farengi;209628 said:

So who exactly is Knuckles ... and if SR is free from the Azath now, is Kilmandaros also going to be coming out?

Knuckles was referred to as "Sech..." before the phrase was cut off. I think he is Sechul Lath, a mysterious Elder God. His description is also that of an FA, which gives extra weight to "Kilmandaros' children are the FA" argument.

[Mentalist]

Ok, this isn't exactly due to RG, but anyways:

During the Ritual of the Beast, Dissembelackis veered into 7 mules!
They were scattered to the 7 corners of Wu. So far, we've seen 2 The rest remains hidden....

[Vengeance]

Flawed;209629 said:

Well,

At that time QB had the sticksnare Talemenderendarorendas, or whatever his name was, perched on his shoulder. He had a untethered direct link to Hood and was backed up by the White Face Gods.

Don't get me wrong, i think there is far more to QB then we all know, as much was said by Hedge in Reapers, but i think in this particular instance it can be explained by the above.

That unfortunately makes sense.

[Mentalist]

Ok, so it's 3 in the morning, and i don't feel like sleeping, and for some weird reason I remembered the loosely thrown phrase "K'chain Che'Malle, the firstborn of Dragons" and i just couldn't hepl but come up with this:
-From MoI we know that KCNR were an earlier sub-species (assuming that, b/c nowhere have we heard that the two were not compatible for reproductive purposes)
-Assuming the KCNR were the firstborn of dragons, they would have inherited command of the magic of Starval Demelain.
-(begin crazy theory) As time went by, KCNR grew out of their parent's control, and turned to technolgy instead of magic.
-to combat that, KCCM were created and a hive-like social structure was imposed on their society, allowing the few chosen individuals (the matrons) to control the enormous power of theetire species infused with the power of SD.
-In their desperate flight KCNR fled to other worlds, including Wu, followed by the KCCM
-once the KCNR were defeated, the matrons claimed the world for themselves, shattering their link with their Eleint parents.
-Saddened by this, Tiam, the Elder mother of all dragons went around,, oferring her blood to everyone willint to partake (Olar Ethil, Elder Gods, various Tiste)
-With the deaths of Matrons, the knowledge of SD infusing the KCCM was lost, and new Matrons had no idea of their true origins.
-Following their disastrous attempt to resurect KCNR and the ensuing civil war, as more of the SD power was lost, the dragons' strength continued to wane. Krul's decision to use the Eleint's power to bring order to his blood was an attempt to ensure the preservation of some of this power.
-The weakening of dragons allowed Scandabary to perpetrate his great crime, spilling the blood of the weakened dragons (Note: Draconeans, who also carry the power of MD and FL were less affected by what happened), causing the shattering of KE.
and here's the kicker: The lost, diffused energy of SD was and still is steadily absorbed by Chaos, that grows stronger from it. Thus the Crippled God, who has a degree of familiarity, if not control over chaos, is the one, who must return this energy to SD. And that is his purpose that he must carry out, that will heal him and cleanse him from corruption. (end crazy theory)

[Seed]

I really want to comment on your awesome theory Kud13 (+rep) but it's still being mentally digested by my brain. I'll be back later with some comments I'm sure.

What I've been ruminating over later is D'rek, the Worm of Autumn. Immortal liver fluke or what?

My two competing theories are thus:

First up, D'rek secretly as a kilmandaros equivalent elder goddess, the last example of her species, an ancient race from before the time of the k'chain, when the forkrul were themselves first delving into civilisation. I can easily see a wormlike parasite/symbiote species that can take over other creatures as hosts evolving in that ancient batrachian time, before the age of reptiles, to be later wiped out by the forkrul. Who knows how many sentient species lived and died out in the early ages of the world while the FA were more extant.

Second theory is that she was once the god of the KCNR, perhaps of the implanted technology (ie the little arcanotech gribblies swimming around in the stomach of the shorttail etc), that managed to successfully jump to human worship in some fashion. She probably started out as a NR champion back in the early days who developed the technology originally and ended up ascending. It could start out simply as the NR doctors asking for her blessing before implanting any technology, and over time it ends in worshippers. Then when the Kchain were wiped out she sought refuge in hiding herself in human hosts and slowly her cult grew up around that over time. We know there is precendence for form changing amongst ascendants so starting out as a lizard and ending up as a worm for stealthy purposes is not much of a stretch. Although the kchain rule was stated as keeping the elder gods from the world it probably relied on border guards (maybe the dragons) to enforce it as opposed to there being a mystical barrier or gauntlet to the world that could not pierced by dimensional travellers.

Of course she could just be a weird human created god, but that's the more boring option.

-Seed

[Rowan Redwing]

Vengance;208239 said:

Is it possible that Quick Ben has an elder god in him.
He has a lot of arcane knowledge, in MoI , when Quick is facing all of the Seerdomin at the beginning of the battle of coral, He sends a wall of shadow and dirt straight down to take out the entire company. Just missing the Bridgeburners. Blend mentions at the time that it just wasn't possible for someone to do that unless they were a god. Also he unleashes 9 simultaneous illusions something that blend doesn't think is possible. In GOTM he showed total mastery of powers thought long lost. What if one of the Souls that he absorbed had earlier absorbed the Soul of the elder god Grizzin Farl?

Ok, I have now come up with my own wild theory about this. QB is actually Mother Dark. I seem to recall someone mentioning (Tattersail maybe?) that the soul shifting ritual was aspected to Kurald Galain, he and Paran also enter Kurald Galain in MoI. This would explain why he could use the Tiste Andii elder warren.

Slightly less wild and amusing theory #2. In the very end of RG Clip seems to hold an awful lot of ill fealings towards Anomander Rake, and admitted in his mind to a lot of lies. These are certainly incongruous thoughts to a god's Mortal Sword. So for outrageous theory 2 QB is actually the "Blackwinged Lord's" Mortal Sword, or perhaps Destriant. It would not be a huge leap from a high priest of the Rashan cult. Rashan is a child warren of Kurald Galain.

No, I have no evidence to support either of these, they were just the product of a wandering mind, and I found the ideas to be amusing. It is doubtful he would serve any god again.

Unrelated wild theory. The Bonehunters will become the replacement for the now dead Grey Swords, and followers of the wolves of winter. Adjunct Tavore could be Shield-Anvil, (she worries about her followers,) Lostara Yil Mortal Sword, (she is violent,) and Sinn becomes Destriant (she is the only high mage they have, and it would explain how she could pull apart and reshape OP ritual magic. The wolves of winter after all.) Actually the more I think about the details, the less wild and random this seems to be in my mind, although it is still a very long shot...

[Mentalist]

hmmm.. imho, Bonehunters have 3 high mages--Sinn, Bottle and the newly-retuned QB
As for Bonehunters replacing Grey Swords... unfortunately they were replaced.. by the Grey Helms of Perish.. In tBH their Mortal Sword mentions that they have been preparing the ritual to take them to Quon Tali for 2 years.. im pretty sure that's roughly when Grey Swords were slaughtered on Lether

[Dolorous Menhir]

I agree, Rowan. Those are definitely crazy theories.

[Rowan Redwing]

kud13;211143 said:

hmmm.. imho, Bonehunters have 3 high mages--Sinn, Bottle and the newly-retuned QB
As for Bonehunters replacing Grey Swords... unfortunately they were replaced.. by the Grey Helms of Perish.. In tBH their Mortal Sword mentions that they have been preparing the ritual to take them to Quon Tali for 2 years.. im pretty sure that's roughly when Grey Swords were slaughtered on Lether

Is that so? (Regarding the Greyswords.) I don't remember much of BH, I was probably boozing when I read it, and now I can't find my copy of it. I live in the states, so it is hard to find a new copy of it, short of ordering it again, from the UK. That was actually, the least random of my "theories." As for Bottle being a high mage, I do not think so. He does use some ancient magic, but other then that his use of his warren, Meanas in HoC and BH, was certainly short of high magic, certainly less then Kulp's, who knew a little high Meanas. In DH it said about Kulp something like "he spoke the few words of high Meanas that he knew." The addition of Mockra, wouldn't help his mastery. Of course QB being back adds another high mage, but despite my earlier "theories," I do not think he would ever willingly serve another god. Even though he helped Burn in MoI. Well my idea of course is denied, by the gray swords already being replaced as you said, but I liked it anyway...

[Rowan Redwing]

Dolorous Menhir;211145 said:

I agree, Rowan. Those are definitely crazy theories.

Crazy yes, but hopefully amusing, that was how I found them anyway.

[Mentalist]

Well, okay, fine. Bottle is not a High mage per se. he's more of a Letherii-type sorcerer. But he IS incredibly proficcient at Hold magics, as well as the doing intricate things that high Mages don't usaully do (Wickan-type spirit waking, using the puppets a la QB, etc). Still, that means he packs quite a punch... Besides, who knows how many "Beaks" are left in the bonehunters?