[QuickTidal]

Briar King, on 13 January 2021 - 05:44 PM, said:

I assume all that shit is from the slog that is The Sil?

Not sure if I still have that book.

It's from the last quarter of that book, yes. At the very least Numenor is (Fantasy Atlantis)...so this show could straddle the 2nd age big event (the destruction of Beleriand) and therefore be part Silmarillion and part unknown/but known 2nd Age events too.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

I absolutely adore the Akallabeth, so I'm particularly excited we're going to see Numenor.

Also I am here for getting to see the moment Celebrimbor realises it's all gone horribly wrong on screen.

[QuickTidal]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 13 January 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

I absolutely adore the Akallabeth, so I'm particularly excited we're going to see Numenor.

Also I am here for getting to see the moment Celebrimbor realises it's all gone horribly wrong on screen.

YES!

Also, part of me wishes we would see older events like the Noldor crossing the Helcaraxe. We MIGHT see it in a sort of flashback opening with Melkor and Ungoliant crossing after destroying the Two Trees and what followed. If they show the "War of Wrath" as what opened the 2nd age, we might see Fingolfin leading his people across. I'm picturing an opening sequence and narration like Galadriel's in FOTR...which I mean, just get Cate Blanchett to read this one too...Galadriel was present at those events.

[Macros]

NERDS!

[Maark Abbott]

Every time someone says Numenor I think of aliens floating about in comas.

Damn it Ulysses!

[Tsundoku]

And he even had a laser sword that - wait for it - was also a laser pistol!!! Even better than a lightsabre!

Mind. Blown.

On topic:

Yeah, some sort of summary of All That Came Before would be helpful to put the 2nd Age into context. Even if it's some sort of 10 minute one-character-telling-another midway through episode 1.
OMG imagine the battle scenes and the landscape! And the maps!

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 14 January 2021 - 09:15 AM

[Maark Abbott]

Tsundoku, on 14 January 2021 - 09:15 AM, said:

And he even had a laser sword that - wait for it - was also a laser pistol!!! Even better than a lightsabre!

Mind. Blown.

On topic:

Yeah, some sort of summary of All That Came Before would be helpful to put the 2nd Age into context. Even if it's some sort of 10 minute one-character-telling-another midway through episode 1.
OMG imagine the battle scenes and the landscape! And the maps!

Truly no one else could do the things he do.

I imagine that you'll have some sort of narration at the start of the series to contextualise everything. It makes sense to do it that way.

[Macros]

Similar to how they set up the ring in LotR

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[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

QuickTidal, on 13 January 2021 - 07:33 PM, said:

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 13 January 2021 - 07:04 PM, said:

I absolutely adore the Akallabeth, so I'm particularly excited we're going to see Numenor.

Also I am here for getting to see the moment Celebrimbor realises it's all gone horribly wrong on screen.

YES!

Also, part of me wishes we would see older events like the Noldor crossing the Helcaraxe. We MIGHT see it in a sort of flashback opening with Melkor and Ungoliant crossing after destroying the Two Trees and what followed. If they show the "War of Wrath" as what opened the 2nd age, we might see Fingolfin leading his people across. I'm picturing an opening sequence and narration like Galadriel's in FOTR...which I mean, just get Cate Blanchett to read this one too...Galadriel was present at those events.

Yes yes yes yes yes all of this. The opening to Fellowship of the Ring by Blanchett is wonderful, and I'd love to see something similar explaining Valinor etc.

Macros, on 13 January 2021 - 08:49 PM, said:

NERDS!

[Malankazooie]

Will we get that deal where wounds bleed and create massive pits? And that dude who wants to wrestle everyone? Or is that too early?

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Malankazooie, on 14 January 2021 - 03:24 PM, said:

Will we get that deal where wounds bleed and create massive pits? And that dude who wants to wrestle everyone? Or is that too early?

Only in flashback potentially, as too early.

[Malankazooie]

Been awhile since I read Tolkien or anything Tolkien adjacent. If I wanted to read the source material from which this show is based on, what should I read?

[Aptorian]

This is probably the right place to ask this question.

I haven't interested myself in Lord of the Rings since the early 00s but there's a question that always puzzled me.

During the books/movies, the last elves decide to get on a boat and sail somewhere. What's that about? The way I remember it, there was a kind of end of an age Elves moving on in a supernatural kind of aspect to it. Where did they go? Did they just sail across the pond and settle on Middle Earth America or did they portal into Elf Heaven?

[amphibian]

The elves went to the continent where the immortals live - a separate place where mortals mostly don't go at all because all the immortals decided to just leave the planet.

So this continent has everything the mortals have plus the extra good stuff and no mortals and is reachable only by boats that can leave the planet by magic.

[Aptorian]

Weird. I don't like it.

[Briar King]

Not sure if I got the balls to retry Silmarilon even if I do still have it. I struggled with the half I did read.

[Tiste Simeon]

Malankazooie, on 14 January 2021 - 04:48 PM, said:

Been awhile since I read Tolkien or anything Tolkien adjacent. If I wanted to read the source material from which this show is based on, what should I read?

Try the LOTR Memes subreddit.

[amphibian]

Aptorian, on 14 January 2021 - 09:18 PM, said:

Weird. I don't like it.

I hated it. The world gets made by the big god, sparsely populated by smaller gods and other immortals, then everything develops and almost all of the smaller gods + immortals decide they want to quit being in the neighborhood.

This bit always was a weird thing for me in terms of how I felt as a kid reading this and now stylistically as I know Tolkien was writing this series partly as a reaction to the humdrum crappiness and horrific elements of the First World War he experienced.

Erikson, among others, handled a bunch of extraneous divine beings with powers better by giving them better things to do that meandered in and out of the worlds of the mortals.

[D'rek]

 Aptorian, on 14 January 2021 - 09:18 PM, said:

Weird. I don't like it.

I do like the part where the realms of the Elves would have already lost all their magic long, long ago except for the 3 Elven Rings, and destroying the One Ring made the Elven Rings lose their power so all the Elves' homes were going to start slowly dying after the events of the books. Gives them a good reason for why they're all in such a bad mood all the time... they know that defeating Sauron is also the end for their way of life.

But yeah, the cool kids immortal club across the ocean thing is bit wonky doo.

[QuickTidal]

The Valar didn’t leave Valinor forever without reason though. They made the world for the elves to live comfortably in, and once they did they retreated to be with Illuvatar and the music because their job was complete. Arda was never meant for them to live on...they only did so because they were young and curious in the first age.

That said, it’s worth noting that elves don’t die even when they leave middle earth to cross over to Valinor. According to the Valar, “death” was a gift only given to man, elves can be “killed”, but it just removes them to the Halls of Mandos (no relation) where they dwell until they decide to return to the living world. Which after hundreds of thousands of years of existence (Galadriel is like 300k by the time of the events of LOTR), can be tedious.

So technically the Valar gave the elves the gift of “returning to the undying lands” in place of their inability to die like men at the end of their lives. It’s kind of like “I know living forever fucking sucks...but you can leave and come to this place where there is no war or strife in place of dying forever....savvy?”

It’s also worth noting that Frodo and Bilbo getting to go to Valinor is a HUGE deal. No one but elves and gods had ever dwelled there, oh and in the post LOTR age Eventually Sam, Gimli, and Legolas go as well. So their actions during the war of the ring really made them worthy of the bounties of Valinor.

But since Frodo, Sam, And Bilbo are all mortal they would have still died eventually in Valinor.

And Gimli, being a Dwarf, would not fall into the same category, so I’ve always been curious about him in Valinor. Perhaps Aule himself came down to visit his creation?

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 15 January 2021 - 11:53 AM