[Vengeance]

You are right I had lost track of where we where. I still don't like you being chancellor. I don't like that tatts is agreeing with you.

[Vengeance]

I agree to be mess chancellor

[Nevyn]

Vengeance, on 24 February 2018 - 02:55 AM, said:

You are right I had lost track of where we where. I still don't like you being chancellor. I don't like that tatts is agreeing with you.

To avoid creating further confusion about what is proposed right now, lets cross that bridge when we come to it.

[Macros]

6pms in

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 24 February 2018 - 02:55 AM, said:

You are right I had lost track of where we where. I still don't like you being chancellor. I don't like that tatts is agreeing with you.

I'm not fascist, so I'm hoping the liberals are being fucking clever. Nom needed more input because right now the thread is directed in one direction and I'm suspicious because I'm liberal. Miss me out all you like.

Way I see it

Drek and Nevyn are fascist then is cause Hitler? Possibly not so that leaves hitler out of Dolmen, Venge and Mess.

Drek and Nom are fascist and Cause is fascist. Perfect, game over cause we know all 3.

When does that ever happen?

More likely first scenario.

[Itwæs Nom]

Nevyn is telling you tactics that guarantee liberals a win? I have some reservations about that

[Cause]

The only person. I know I can trust is Nom and the only person I'm sure I can't is Nevyn. He is an experienced player and he has been trying to lead the dance from the startm I'm very scare did your guys start trusting him and taking his advice.

When the game started I was thinking it was going to favour the liberals but I see how quickly suspicion has tarnished everyone.

At the moment im not sure if I can support a Messremb government. As I said Messremb gives nothing away. Seems to do his thing in the background. He passed a liberal policy early and then dropped of my radar.

[Macros]

votes are all in I think

[Macros]

no
other pms.

2 votes outstanding

[Messremb]

Cause, on 24 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

The only person. I know I can trust is Nom and the only person I'm sure I can't is Nevyn. He is an experienced player and he has been trying to lead the dance from the startm I'm very scare did your guys start trusting him and taking his advice.

When the game started I was thinking it was going to favour the liberals but I see how quickly suspicion has tarnished everyone.

At the moment im not sure if I can support a Messremb government. As I said Messremb gives nothing away. Seems to do his thing in the background. He passed a liberal policy early and then dropped of my radar.

Didn't I pass 2?

Yeah, I passed 2 liberal.

[Messremb]

Cause, on 24 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

The only person. I know I can trust is Nom and the only person I'm sure I can't is Nevyn. He is an experienced player and he has been trying to lead the dance from the startm I'm very scare did your guys start trusting him and taking his advice.

When the game started I was thinking it was going to favour the liberals but I see how quickly suspicion has tarnished everyone.

At the moment im not sure if I can support a Messremb government. As I said Messremb gives nothing away. Seems to do his thing in the background. He passed a liberal policy early and then dropped of my radar.

Remind me why you trust Nom

[D'rek]

Hey Tatts, hey Tatts, hey Tatts! You conveniently disappeared as soon as I cornered you with a question and then you returned without answering it. You sure you want to leave that hanging? Makes you look preeeeeeetty confirmed fascist.






(c'mon, c'mon, c'mon I wanna see you dig yourself an even deeper hole)

[D'rek]

As for everyone else:

Plan sounds good. I don't see any particular flaws.


re Nom/Cause:

Itwæs Nom, on 24 February 2018 - 09:21 AM, said:

Nevyn is telling you tactics that guarantee liberals a win? I have some reservations about that

Cause, on 24 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

The only person. I know I can trust is Nom and the only person I'm sure I can't is Nevyn. He is an experienced player and he has been trying to lead the dance from the startm I'm very scare did your guys start trusting him and taking his advice.

When the game started I was thinking it was going to favour the liberals but I see how quickly suspicion has tarnished everyone.

At the moment im not sure if I can support a Messremb government. As I said Messremb gives nothing away. Seems to do his thing in the background. He passed a liberal policy early and then dropped of my radar.

Just FYI, it's not like we're all 100% fixated and can't be reasoned with. If you want to do an analysis of how we got to this point and where you think the lies/deception are, we'll listen and maybe be convinced if it's a really good case. But you have to actually make a case. Writing one line of "ohhhh, I think you're being deceived" sure as hell isn't going to change my mind!

[Tattersail_]

D, on 24 February 2018 - 04:34 PM, said:

Hey Tatts, hey Tatts, hey Tatts! You conveniently disappeared as soon as I cornered you with a question and then you returned without answering it. You sure you want to leave that hanging? Makes you look preeeeeeetty confirmed fascist.






(c'mon, c'mon, c'mon I wanna see you dig yourself an even deeper hole)

YOU should think me fascist regardless of anything because according to you I gave you two fascist policies. Fuck sake, how anyone trusts you at all I don't know.

[Tattersail_]

Drek fascist.
Nevyn fascist.
One of Dolmen, Venge or Mess is Hitler.

Or its D'rek, Nom and Cause.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Messremb, on 24 February 2018 - 03:52 PM, said:

Cause, on 24 February 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

The only person. I know I can trust is Nom and the only person I'm sure I can't is Nevyn. He is an experienced player and he has been trying to lead the dance from the startm I'm very scare did your guys start trusting him and taking his advice.

When the game started I was thinking it was going to favour the liberals but I see how quickly suspicion has tarnished everyone.

At the moment im not sure if I can support a Messremb government. As I said Messremb gives nothing away. Seems to do his thing in the background. He passed a liberal policy early and then dropped of my radar.

Didn't I pass 2?

Yeah, I passed 2 liberal.

That radar needs to be checked. How do you miss an entire second policy?

either you're too relaxed or you're understating things far too much.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Tattersail_, on 24 February 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Drek fascist.
Nevyn fascist.
One of Dolmen, Venge or Mess is Hitler.

Or its D'rek, Nom, and Cause.

And what do posts like this accomplish except summarize what we all know already and wholesale suspecting everyone for something?

If you want to convince anyone of anything you need to build it up with reasoning.

splitting the game into either/or accomplishes little.

what are you committing to? how does it inform your vote? that helps more than this.

[Tattersail_]

Dolmen 2.0, on 24 February 2018 - 05:06 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 24 February 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Drek fascist.
Nevyn fascist.
One of Dolmen, Venge or Mess is Hitler.

Or its D'rek, Nom, and Cause.

And what do posts like this accomplish except summarize what we all know already and wholesale suspecting everyone for something?

If you want to convince anyone of anything you need to build it up with reasoning.

splitting the game into either/or accomplishes little.

what are you committing to? how does it inform your vote? that helps more than this.

No thanks. Not after your stupid post earlier. The one were you believe I'm fascist. No thanks. If you believe that then you think D'rek is Liberal which makes me laugh inside.

I'd say because of that post you know who your fascists are and are now in prime position.

Possible in my second scenario.

Drek and Nevyn fascist. Dolmen Hitler.

Cause clueless.

[Tattersail_]

Cause did we ever get a reason for your lie?

[Dolmen 2.0]

Vengeance, on 23 February 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

Vengeance, on 23 February 2018 - 10:11 PM, said:

Quote

Eligibility: The last elected President and Chancellor are “term-limited,” and ineligible to be nominated as Chancellor Candidate.
ON ELIGIBILITY: •
Term limits apply to the President and Chancellor who were last elected, not to the last pair nominated.
• Term limits only affect nominations to the Chancellorship; anyone can be President, even someone who was just Chancellor

Who do we have. So if Dolman has Mess be his Chancellor then Mess is President with me as Chancellor then I am President with Dolman as Chancellor. No need for a 4th party.

Actually scratch that. According to the sign up list

Drek
Dol
Tatts
Cause
Nomnomnomnom
Venge
Nyven
Messremb.

I would be the next one after Dol to be President. Is that correct? I really don't like the thought of adding a 4th componant to the equation if we have 3 players who are VPI liberal.

There are a couple of things that we need to be aware of.

Call Special Election The President chooses any other player at the table to be the next Presidential Candidate by passing that player the President placard. Any player can become President—even players that are term-limited. The new President nominates an eligible player as Chancellor Candidate and the Election proceeds as usual.
A Special Election does not skip any players. After a Special Election, the President placard returns to the left of the President who enacted the Special Election.
If the President passes the presidency to the next player in the rotation, that player would get to run for President twice in a row: once for the Special Election and once for their normal shift in the Presidential rotation.

and

If the group rejects three governments in a row, the country is thrown into chaos. Immediately reveal the Policy on top of the Policy deck and enact it. Any power granted by this Policy is ignored, but the Election Tracker resets, and existing term-limits are forgotten


There are 3 presidents between Dol and Me. If we tried to skip all of them then the top policy would be inacted.

That seems like a huge gamble. Frankly I don't like this at all.

Acknowledged.

I will check in with you and Mess based on the next run of play before acting in my presidency and appointing Nevyn.

The 3 president game plan works but that gap in order may require us to play creatively. lets set the current plan as a placeholder and adjust as information and policies are played out.