[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 27 June 2016 - 12:03 PM, said:

Time for a dictatorship?

Well, if you really want Trump, you can have him.

[Traveller]

What's pissing me off today are the calls of the Leave camp basically saying 'ya boo this is democracy'.

Which seems like bullshit to me - I have a government in power that I didn't vote in; and now, instead of all the people that actually specialise in various fields of government and economics for a living deciding the future of the country, the choice was given to people with absolutely no concept about any of it. That's not democracy, it's idiocy on an incomprehensible scale.

And I'm still mad about it. What's the fucking point in having a government if when they have a far reaching, globally significant decision to make, they do the equivalent of going outside and taking the opinion of the first person walking down the street?

[Tiste Simeon]

And more reasons to get mad...

http://www.cnet.com/...false-promises/

[Mezla PigDog]

Cameron has to sit in front of the other EU leaders today and discuss what's going on. I was hugely pissed off at the idiocy of people whose reason for voting leave was to give him a kicking but there is a small piece of satisfaction here for us left-wingers. Imagine having to go and face so many people after such a monumental fuck up at work?! The arrogant shit must be feeling that one. I'd cry!

At the same time I hope they can all somehow pull some sanity out of the bag.

[QuickTidal]

Holy crap, this is intuitive...I never thought of any of this...

An astute online comment has some wondering whether Brexit may ever happen

[Gorefest]

I read it as well, but I fear it is more hopeful than realistic.

[QuickTidal]

Gorefest, on 28 June 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

I read it as well, but I fear it is more hopeful than realistic.

Yeah, that was my initial reaction as well...but there are a LOT of things on that list of "what needs to happen" after the article 50 deal goes down that I hadn't thought about. Even the minor stuff (reissuing passports, dealing with those abroad) is a bureaucratic nightmare and that only scratches the surface. I kind of hope that piles up enough to affect the final outcome. Only time will tell.

So far the Canadian Dollar has dropped significantly as a result of the Brexit vote...and it was JUST getting back up to respectable after more than a few years of being laughable...so that's not fun to realize. I therefore hope this doesn't actually go through...but yeah, it's probably wishful thinking.

[Gorefest]

Bloody great. Now Corbyn has lost a vote of no confidence within his own party as well. At the very time when the Tories are rudderless and you could finally make a progressive social fist against them, the main opposition party decides to put a bomb under their own party. Genius. Petty party politics over national interests. And still Westminster wonders why there is such a massive chasm between their world view and that of the rest of the country. Idiots.

[Traveller]

QuickTidal, on 28 June 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 28 June 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

I read it as well, but I fear it is more hopeful than realistic.

Yeah, that was my initial reaction as well...but there are a LOT of things on that list of "what needs to happen" after the article 50 deal goes down that I hadn't thought about. Even the minor stuff (reissuing passports, dealing with those abroad) is a bureaucratic nightmare and that only scratches the surface. I kind of hope that piles up enough to affect the final outcome. Only time will tell.

So far the Canadian Dollar has dropped significantly as a result of the Brexit vote...and it was JUST getting back up to respectable after more than a few years of being laughable...so that's not fun to realize. I therefore hope this doesn't actually go through...but yeah, it's probably wishful thinking.

I like the notion that the instigators of this farce are going to commit career suicide by actually triggering article 50. I just cannot believe that anyone would go through with this on purpose.

What I've found in the last few days at work is that there is a clear division throughout the department. It's freaky and weird, and uncomfortable. Also I've heard reports of some of my Portuguese colleagues being racially abused in town. Not every leave voter is a racist, but there's no doubt that the racists feel they have been somehow given some justification for their views, and renewed confidence in expressing it. And the horrible thing is, so many people I know and work with are suddenly voicing these ignorant bigoted views without a care.

[worry]

I'm finding interesting, thanks to the comments in what some of you guys post on FB, how truly universal the denial of white supremacist (or at least isolationist) motives in this whole affair. Every single racist/xenophobic outburst is just one more coincidence, a signpost of nothing in particular. Reminds me of my own dear homeland. Any solace in the fact that as nations, we're not so different after all?

[Nevyn]

QuickTidal, on 28 June 2016 - 03:54 PM, said:

Gorefest, on 28 June 2016 - 03:49 PM, said:

I read it as well, but I fear it is more hopeful than realistic.

Yeah, that was my initial reaction as well...but there are a LOT of things on that list of "what needs to happen" after the article 50 deal goes down that I hadn't thought about. Even the minor stuff (reissuing passports, dealing with those abroad) is a bureaucratic nightmare and that only scratches the surface. I kind of hope that piles up enough to affect the final outcome. Only time will tell.

So far the Canadian Dollar has dropped significantly as a result of the Brexit vote...and it was JUST getting back up to respectable after more than a few years of being laughable...so that's not fun to realize. I therefore hope this doesn't actually go through...but yeah, it's probably wishful thinking.

Against what? By all accounts, the dollar had a rough 2015, but the ten years preceeding that were above average against the USD.

And compared to the drop when oil prices tanked, the Brexit change is a blip.

[Cause]

Heard this gem!

American and British are in a race to destroy themselves. Currently the British are in the lead but America has yet to play it's trump card

[Nevyn]

Cause, on 28 June 2016 - 09:15 PM, said:

Heard this gem!

American and British are in a race to destroy themselves. Currently the British are in the lead but America has yet to play it's trump card

The British are having a good run but nowhere near in the lead.

[Malankazooie]

Brexit. Uh, so, is that like one of them Hobbit meals? Possibly occurring after "second breakfast" and before "elevensies"?



*uninformed American*

[Maark Abbott]

Gorefest, on 28 June 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

Bloody great. Now Corbyn has lost a vote of no confidence within his own party as well. At the very time when the Tories are rudderless and you could finally make a progressive social fist against them, the main opposition party decides to put a bomb under their own party. Genius. Petty party politics over national interests. And still Westminster wonders why there is such a massive chasm between their world view and that of the rest of the country. Idiots.

He's since rejected the vote as having no constitutional basis and issued a statement to the wider party of Labour voters (who it seems support him).

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Maark Abbott, on 29 June 2016 - 04:21 AM, said:

Gorefest, on 28 June 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

Bloody great. Now Corbyn has lost a vote of no confidence within his own party as well. At the very time when the Tories are rudderless and you could finally make a progressive social fist against them, the main opposition party decides to put a bomb under their own party. Genius. Petty party politics over national interests. And still Westminster wonders why there is such a massive chasm between their world view and that of the rest of the country. Idiots.

He's since rejected the vote as having no constitutional basis and issued a statement to the wider party of Labour voters (who it seems support him).

I'm honestly not sure where this leaves them. If he goes, they'll lose the upswing he gained on election because I think a lot of angry Labour voters will not vote for a party who ousted a democratically elected leader because of their own interests. But then, idealist though I am, I'm not sure he could win an election. But I have no idea who they could possibly put in his place.

Either way, I fear Labour have taken themselves out of the game completely.

[Maark Abbott]

TheRetiredBridgeburner, on 29 June 2016 - 05:54 AM, said:

Maark Abbott, on 29 June 2016 - 04:21 AM, said:

Gorefest, on 28 June 2016 - 03:58 PM, said:

Bloody great. Now Corbyn has lost a vote of no confidence within his own party as well. At the very time when the Tories are rudderless and you could finally make a progressive social fist against them, the main opposition party decides to put a bomb under their own party. Genius. Petty party politics over national interests. And still Westminster wonders why there is such a massive chasm between their world view and that of the rest of the country. Idiots.

He's since rejected the vote as having no constitutional basis and issued a statement to the wider party of Labour voters (who it seems support him).

I'm honestly not sure where this leaves them. If he goes, they'll lose the upswing he gained on election because I think a lot of angry Labour voters will not vote for a party who ousted a democratically elected leader because of their own interests. But then, idealist though I am, I'm not sure he could win an election. But I have no idea who they could possibly put in his place.

Either way, I fear Labour have taken themselves out of the game completely.

If they replace him in favour of a Blairite, they'll lose what momentum they had built up, which his being elected is due to and simultaneously responsible for. How they can miss that is beyond me, franky.

[Kanese S's]

Corbyn is a somewhat disappointing opposition leader. Seems to do pretty poorly at question time.

[Khellendros]

Kanese S, on 29 June 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

Corbyn is a somewhat disappointing opposition leader. Seems to do pretty poorly at question time.

He appears to do poorly because PMQs is an absolute embarrassment. A load of toffs braying and making moronic jokes, as if they were schoolchildren, which is exactly how the majority of them behave during PMQs. Corbyn has always refused to do the same. He doesn't make jokes, he just, you know, asks questions. Which Cameron then singularly avoids answering each and every time in favour of making his pre-prepared joke. A rule should be made where the Speaker can judge whether the question has actually been addressed.


I am a member of the Labour party, and what they are doing right now is - I was going to say beyond belief, but actually it's pretty much par for the course. I voted for Corbyn because he espoused the policies which attracted me, whereas the other candidates didn't. I am not so blinkered as to think he's done a great job thus far, but neither do I think it's been by any means disastrous. Frankly, considering the lack of support given to him by the Labour children who've taken their toys and gone home in a sulk because they didn't get their way, it's amazing he's managed anything at all.

If Angela Eagle stands as the other candidate, it will be a tough choice. I like her and think she is an excellent MP, even if I don't agree with some of her standpoints. But the way they have gone about this is disgusting, and more than likely I'll be voting Corbyn again. Then they can either grow up and provide a unified opposition to a tottering Tory party, or they can outdo them in imploding.

[Gorefest]

Kanyemander West, on 28 June 2016 - 08:14 PM, said:

I'm finding interesting, thanks to the comments in what some of you guys post on FB, how truly universal the denial of white supremacist (or at least isolationist) motives in this whole affair. Every single racist/xenophobic outburst is just one more coincidence, a signpost of nothing in particular. Reminds me of my own dear homeland. Any solace in the fact that as nations, we're not so different after all?

Well, I guess the brexit vote is our equivalent of voting Donald Trump in office, so I guess that shuts up our smug mouths. In my defence, I wasn't allowed a vote