[Tiamatha]

looks like I should have forced myself out bed to check in again like I said I would. I would have been down for switching to a Denul or Korabas vote (korabas for VC reasons only)

Considering the speculation MO's kill generated, I'm intrigued by the LACK of a Korabas kill, it would have been a 1/3 for kenshiro.

[Tiamatha]

cross posting.

that's a slap on the wrist that basically confirms Korabas, makes him PI and probably dead tonight.

Amp is out of the traps entirely too sharp for.my liking, we have 36 hours to decide if we want to go down that route amp, eager for a speed lynch to get back to night?

[Ampelas]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

cross posting.

that's a slap on the wrist that basically confirms Korabas, makes him PI and probably dead tonight.

Amp is out of the traps entirely too sharp for.my liking, we have 36 hours to decide if we want to go down that route amp, eager for a speed lynch to get back to night?

So I'm eager for a speed lynch that would remove one of my VCs were I scum? Get with the program sunhine.

My vote will not be shifting bar a confirmed scum detection.

[Tiamatha]

the program says kenshiro still has to NK 2 more specific targets after Korabas (assuming PS's post is for Korabas and he is in fact a warlord). Your program will leave us down to 10 at the drop of a hat, with nothing gained from today but another body. Wereas if we sit back and actually try, oh I duno, lynch Kenshiro today......

[Okral Lom]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

the program says kenshiro still has to NK 2 more specific targets after Korabas (assuming PS's post is for Korabas and he is in fact a warlord). Your program will leave us down to 10 at the drop of a hat, with nothing gained from today but another body. Wereas if we sit back and actually try, oh I duno, lynch Kenshiro today......

I think I agree with Tiam here. Yes, there is some benefit to denying the scum their three warlord NKs VC. But consider that with 12 players left there are going to be at most 5 NKs (based on current rate of one per night and assuming that there's the minimum possible number of scum). Do we need to be worried about the scum achieving that VC? Hitting all three correctly seems like a pretty tough ask, even with Korabas' reveal. Is it worth throwing away a day's worth of discussion and analysis for a kill that won't benefit town all that much? I'm not sure it is.

I'm still open for a Korabas lynch if as a last resort, but I'd hope we'd be able to do better...

[Ampelas]

Okral Lom, on 17 April 2014 - 11:15 AM, said:

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 10:34 AM, said:

the program says kenshiro still has to NK 2 more specific targets after Korabas (assuming PS's post is for Korabas and he is in fact a warlord). Your program will leave us down to 10 at the drop of a hat, with nothing gained from today but another body. Wereas if we sit back and actually try, oh I duno, lynch Kenshiro today......

I think I agree with Tiam here. Yes, there is some benefit to denying the scum their three warlord NKs VC. But consider that with 12 players left there are going to be at most 5 NKs (based on current rate of one per night and assuming that there's the minimum possible number of scum). Do we need to be worried about the scum achieving that VC? Hitting all three correctly seems like a pretty tough ask, even with Korabas' reveal. Is it worth throwing away a day's worth of discussion and analysis for a kill that won't benefit town all that much? I'm not sure it is.

I'm still open for a Korabas lynch if as a last resort, but I'd hope we'd be able to do better...

I'm not advocating a speed lynch, just a lynch to deny a VC. Seems pretty clear cut to me.

[Korabas]

Morning.

So, I fucked up quite a bit. Might make sense once we reach heaven, but even then....

Here's what I'll leave you with. If you're town, discount everything I've said since the reveal.. Everything. It's all bullshit.

Do what needs to be done.

[Tiamatha]

what is this?

[Rikkter]

back, I'll try to get caught up

[Shadow]

Korabas, on 16 April 2014 - 11:23 PM, said:

Okral Lom, on 16 April 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

Out of curiosity Korabas, what's your opinion on this post of Denul's, specifically the stuff about Warlord symps?

Denul, on 16 April 2014 - 05:52 PM, said:

Ok so this is the other point I wanted to bring up about mechanics and scum hunting in this game.

PS did retcon the "majority" from the scum VCs as potentially just "parity". So it could be that Kenshiro really is alone, or it could be that he has followers, we don't know. Either way, we only need to eliminate Kenshiro to win.

I do think and have expressed that I think we are too gung-ho to jump on signalling accusations etc, but that is not to say that looking for killers/lead scum via links to/from their followers/partners is not useful and worth doing. Normally!

The problem is, this game has the three gang leaders each of whom may have followers that they know or that know them. The sign-up thread said the game "Contains some variations of typical roles" so there could be any kind of role out there.

Looking for Kenshiro based on player interactions like a basic symp-master interaction is not going to work. If Kenshiro has any allies, there could be four similar partnerships out there with only one being scum. If Kenshiro is on his own after all, there could be three out there and none are scum.

Just something for everyone else to keep in mind. We need to focus on individual behaviours more than potential partner or follower relationships or else there's a good chance we'll wind up just shooting ourselves in the foot.

I've thought about this. It's a good post. Being a gang leader myself, I can't really say I know any of my 'team'. That said, the symp-master relationship outlined above would certainly accommodate a single killer, since any symp-master relationship has essentially lost its meaning. So now we have a whole town team, likely speckled with roles, but our ability to track on-thread symp relationships has been hamstrung. I can't say I've seen this sort of game in the few I've played.

fixed 'have' to 'has'

Well that is a how do you do first thing in the morning isn't it. I don't understand your reasoning revealing yourself like that. Seems that you got all caught up in the moment and blew your load. Kinda surprised that PS didn't modkill you truthfully. But that is probably because if your who you say you are then it would remove a VC condition anyway. This way the town will do it and save him the need to modkill. I see no other choice then to lynch Korbas today.

Vote for Korbas

[Shadow]

As I see it
Kesso
Okral
Lock
Bek
GL

Can not be the killer. Otherwise they would have changed their night kill to take Korbas out.

That leaves as the possible killer

Ampelas, Denul, Eloth, Rikkter, Shadow, Tiamatha

Since I know that I am town. We are left with

Amp
Denul
Eloth
Rikkter
Tiamatha


I of course like Denul as scum. But really it could be anyone of those. Of course now that we have two lists. I think that we will lynch off of one and scum will most likely kill off of the other. At least that is what I would if I was scum.

[Shadow]

Yes I know that the faulty logic in the above is the that killer is actually someone who was on last night but didn't kill Korbas in order to not draw attention to the fact that they were on at the time. I discounted that quite a bit because scum would want to make sure to keep both of their VC's. Especially one that doesn't involve them lasting until the end of the game.

[Tiamatha]

gee thanks for producing such a helpful lynch list for us. disregarding the fact its entirely based on wifom you've just set yourself up to wifom any lynch/ kill for the rest of the game. This screams scum to me, not helpful townie

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

gee thanks for producing such a helpful lynch list for us. disregarding the fact its entirely based on wifom you've just set yourself up to wifom any lynch/ kill for the rest of the game. This screams scum to me, not helpful townie

Both myself and you are on the to be lynched list. I am willing to be lynched tomorrow. Today we need to lynch Korbas as otherwise scum will be able to do it and retain both of his VC. How it is based on WIFOM. That is a very casual disregard. Do you have a problem with the logic. It seems very clear cut to me. I figure the likely hood that Scum would willingly sacrifice an easier (perceived true) VC in order to be called a PI to be very slim.

[Shadow]

You seem to be very strongly against a Korbas (warlord lynch) could it be that as scum you don't want to lose any of your VC and you figure that if you keep on spouting about how it would be better to lynch scum then a PIed towny you can kill him at night. Oh and hey look your on my potential scum list. Well isn't that interesting.

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

cross posting.

that's a slap on the wrist that basically confirms Korabas, makes him PI and probably dead tonight.

Amp is out of the traps entirely too sharp for.my liking, we have 36 hours to decide if we want to go down that route amp, eager for a speed lynch to get back to night?

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 01:08 PM, said:

gee thanks for producing such a helpful lynch list for us. disregarding the fact its entirely based on wifom you've just set yourself up to wifom any lynch/ kill for the rest of the game. This screams scum to me, not helpful townie

[Tiamatha]

think about this wise guy, our cfs give us alt and RI

no names and no 'faction' for all we know we could have already lynched a warlord, they're hold overs from the faction game set up, flavour that he decided to tie into a random VC



You're willing to be lynched tomorrow? Really? You claim to be town and say you'd happily go to the block tomorrow (which would drop us to 6 left vs and unknown scum contingent) based on a list that is purely meta wifom? Are you insane?? This kind of tunnelling is EXACTLY what scum want, lay out the rest of the game for then while you're at it ffs!

[Shadow]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

think about this wise guy, our cfs give us alt and RI

no names and no 'faction' for all we know we could have already lynched a warlord, they're hold overs from the faction game set up, flavour that he decided to tie into a random VC



You're willing to be lynched tomorrow? Really? You claim to be town and say you'd happily go to the block tomorrow (which would drop us to 6 left vs and unknown scum contingent) based on a list that is purely meta wifom? Are you insane?? This kind of tunnelling is EXACTLY what scum want, lay out the rest of the game for then while you're at it ffs!

So your saying that if you had been on line you would have changed your kill to Korbas.

Korbas fucked up and revealed that he was a warlord. Your right we might have lynched one already. We don't know that. The other side is that Scum might have killed one already. We don't know that either. However we now have a chance to remove one of scums VC. Why don't you want to do that so desperately. Would you rather have scum kill him at night and possibly win the game then. Because that is the current WCS.

[Lock]

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

think about this wise guy, our cfs give us alt and RI

no names and no 'faction' for all we know we could have already lynched a warlord, they're hold overs from the faction game set up, flavour that he decided to tie into a random VC

I doubt that. Without naming the warlords in the CF, the killer has no way of knowing if the VC is applicable still or not, and whether they should be aiming for it. So that's a stretch.


Just reading over end of day and today now.

[Tiamatha]

if i was scum.and online I wouldn't have killed him. Its a crap shoot to hit the rest, assuming korabas is even telling the truth (I happen to believe him given PS's comment)

it creates all kind of wifom and sillyness, loom at your 'this is who we lynch' list for starters

[Shadow]

Lock, on 17 April 2014 - 01:33 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 17 April 2014 - 01:29 PM, said:

think about this wise guy, our cfs give us alt and RI

no names and no 'faction' for all we know we could have already lynched a warlord, they're hold overs from the faction game set up, flavour that he decided to tie into a random VC

I doubt that. Without naming the warlords in the CF, the killer has no way of knowing if the VC is applicable still or not, and whether they should be aiming for it. So that's a stretch.


Just reading over end of day and today now.

I agree I doubt that PS is not going to name the warlords if they die. It would be unfair to scum to not let him know if he has met his VC conditions. Plus in the OP PS states that he randomized the amount of grunts so how many exist under each has no bearing. Then he give the RI role pm. Says nothing about the Warlords PM meaning that they probably have a different ones. I would expect them to be named when they die. Of course we can find that out when we lynch Korbas.

Path-Shaper, on 12 April 2014 - 12:43 AM, said:

This is the RI PM. I randomized then number of grunts (RI's) under the various warlords, so how many exist under each one has no bearing on the game whatsoever.

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You are a total asshole. You are buff, violent, and incredibly stupid. Yet you are the top of the food chain in the post apocalypse world. Only one man in your mind is tougher than you, Raoh/Souther/Shin. You are his foot soldier of the apocalypse.

You are RI.