[Korabas]

Lock, on 17 April 2014 - 12:32 AM, said:

Korabas, on 17 April 2014 - 12:22 AM, said:

Lock, on 17 April 2014 - 12:02 AM, said:

Korabas, on 16 April 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

Denul suggested that symp cases are useless. From what I know, they shouldn't be, as town have really no reason to symp. He would know that if he was a warlord, and maybe even if he was town. So at the same time he tries to undermine symp cases and demonstrates that his role is not part of the town 'teams'. Am I making sense here?

I'm afraid that I don't understand the reason for the reveal at all, so you may have to explain it again. Forgetting the whole warlords thing, and breaking it down to its simplest, if some town players know other town players, then they may well come out in their defence if they see them in trouble. If nothing else, it's just natural. Now, in this game, it's very likely that some town players know other town players, so what I thought Denul was saying was that when we see things which might look like scum symping, it could actually quite likely be something more benign.

I think it comes down to the nature of the defence. If a town comes to the warlord's defence, it must be by offering up a better case, rather than a direct confrontation. A good town in this game will have to avoid drawing attention to their own warlord. If town comes across an instance wherein someone is overtly defending another player -- especially if reactionary -- then we can know that they are likely scum. The more deperate the defence, the more likely we're dealing with scum. Now scum can take a similar route in defending Kenshiro (if he is in fact not alone), but my bet is that it will have to be a rather overt defence. A town player could also be desperate in their defence, but my guess is that this would likely happen later in the game, maybe when two of us have been taken out.

My reveal may be a short term loss, but I'm hoping it helps in the long run. We essentially understand town's dynamic. Anything that does not conform to this dynamic is either scum play, or terrible town play.

I don't know. You're making several awfully big assumptions. First, you're (not for the first time) talking about ways of behaviour, and how others would play the game if they had certain roles. I think that's seriously flawed. Everyone plays differently, and many people play much the same way no matter which role/what info they have. Second, you assume that everyone's situation (or, at least, every warlord's) is the same as yours. We already know from PS that the 'factions' are distributed unevenly, why not other things too?

I think this was a mistake on your part, to be honest. Better you were lynched than killed, as at least then it would remove that path to victory for Kenshiro.

Even if I was wrong, we have two other warlords in play. If a warlord comes under fire, their town players can cover for them. If it gets dangerous during the day for one of these guys, the lynch is the best option. I'm not sure my death by kill would be too bad at this point. At least, I'm pretty sure we have options down the road to deny the warlord kill VC.

[Korabas]

Kessobahn, on 17 April 2014 - 12:45 AM, said:

Korabas, on 17 April 2014 - 12:35 AM, said:

I'm starting to think that Denul undermining symp cases might be an excellent scum tactic. If we weren't so late in the day, I'd be tempted to change my vote. As is, I think we have about 5 hours, and we need a couple more votes to lynch Ruse.

I realize I might have made myself useless, but hopefully my team can use whatever role they have (if they have any) to help out the other town players. When I made the reveal I thought it would manage to help town cases in the long run, and it also allowed me to explore my suspicions with regards to Denul. I'm a bit less confident of my decision at this point...

Never do what you can't undo until you've fully considered every thing you can't do once you've done it.

I'm starting to appreciate that at this point. Sigh. I've been away too long.

[Kessobahn]

Well, I'm out for the next few hours.

Vote Ruse

[Korabas]

I think we have something like 4 hours left. We need some people to show up so we can secure a lynch here.

[Bek Okhan]

Korabas, on 17 April 2014 - 12:02 AM, said:

I actually did not see Amp's post. I bet Amp is telling the truth, and Denul is probably lying. Warlords can't signal even if they wanted to. Is Amp saying that town know their warlord? In that case, they shouldn't need to signal unless their warlord is helping push a case on them, and even then that would be stupid since, as Amp states, that would be "painting a bull's-eye on someone else for Kenshiro"

How have you decided that one is telling the truth and other lying, if they are both saying the same thing?

If you know the name of your warlord it's only natural to attempt to deflect if they are under the gun, because you know that person is town.

The distinction between town deflection and scum scrambling is going to be difficult in the moment. People are going to interpret different things as scrambling. In games gone by I've been accused of scrambling to defend someone I didn't even mean to defend.

Then again, even if we lynch a warlord, that removes one of Kenshiro's VCs, I guess it depends whether we decide it's worth it.

[Bek Okhan]

I'll be in and out for the next few hours. I'll vote for Ruse in a bit.

[Bek Okhan]

Isn't ruse already at L-1?

[Gust Hubb]

Look's like L-0 from up here in Heaven, with all the angels!

[Gust Hubb]

Oops, angels lied. Yeah, L-1. Damn, glad I wasn't a mathematician when I grew up.

[Gust Hubb]

Edit: Give rep to worry btw.

This post has been edited by Gust Hubb: 17 April 2014 - 02:58 AM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2.

2 hours and 38 minutes are left.

14 players alive.
Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Ruse, Shadow, Tiamatha

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

1 vote Shadow: Tiamatha
1 vote Denul: Shadow
7 votes Ruse: Galayn Lord, Alkend, Lock, Denul, Korabas, Okral Lom, Kessobahn

Players not voted: Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Eloth, Rikkter, Ruse

[Galayn Lord]

Tiamatha, on 16 April 2014 - 09:31 PM, said:

of the arguments levelled.at ruse the last is farcical, Ments a good player (or was back in the day) gust has pulled out some sterling performances as well. If Ruses is gloating over their deaths then that stick could be used to beat 4/5 of us, me first if I'm not mistaken.

it seems like a frivolous addendum to a passable case, like you aren't sure and need to pile in anything you can scrape up to make the weight requirements.



as of now I'd behappier with my current vote or switching to Denul (yes, again)

Just woke up and blitzed read the thread. I think gloating possibilities are worth examining but will admit I landed on it while building my case and not as a main motivator for the case. Gust played scum well last game, played great town two games before that. I get why Ruse would lament his loss to towns endgame but we do actually have several good players in game (better than myself in any case) able to manage good end game analysis.

Of the nine posts Ruse had made, groaning over a single players loss just felt arbitrary and for someone contributing so little seemed a bit out of his way. I may be putting a spin on it but it just pinged me as odd in relation to everything Lock and myself had gathered.

Ok that aside I don't think Ruse has changed my mind with his reappearance but in the absence of the FM comments I'd still find his posting behaviour upsetting. I am not familiar with the FM mechanic but I still think speculation on it without evidence hurts early game.

RE Korabas reveal: Would it be a good play to try lynch Korabas? If Ruse is top scum we may not need to but if not lynching an outted warleader may be a good way to cut scum off and do a little damage control? Maybe a bit late in the day but I'd like others thoughts on this?

[Korabas]

That is probably a good idea. There's no way there is enough time or players for that.

[Bek Okhan]

Yeah, I don't think there is really enough time for a vote change. Well just have to hope that scum haven't n been on since the reveal.

With that thought, should I hammer now? No point giving scum more time to change their action.

[Bek Okhan]

Meh.

vote Ruse

[Bek Okhan]

Gust Hubb, on 17 April 2014 - 02:34 AM, said:

Edit: Give rep to worry btw.

Fewer creepy children, more resolving!

[Path-Shaper]

The thug jumped off his bike and approached Kenshiro. Laughing, he howled at Kenshiro, “Heard whatcha did to ol’ Eek Ook Monok. I wanna see you try that while you’re ON FIRE! WA HAHAHAHAHA!”
The thug shrugged his shoulders to adjust the big tank on his back, and reached down to unhitch the nozzle of the flame thrower strapped at his waist.
Kenshiro stepped forward and slapped him, the open hand strike spinning the punk’s sunglasses off his face. The shock of the slap and the sheer casual audacity of the maneuver made him freeze for just an instant. In that pause, Kenshiro jammed a knuckle into the thug’s shoulder causing his muscle-bound arms to spasm and jump.
The nozzle flew out of the punk’s hands, and landed softly in Kenshiro’s arms who then pressed the trigger. Seemingly without haste, he did make sure he was far enough away from the burning screaming punk-torch before the tank exploded.

It is Day 2.


14 players alive.
Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Ruse, Shadow, Tiamatha

8 votes to lynch, 8 to go to night.

1 vote Shadow: Tiamatha
1 vote Denul: Shadow
8 votes Ruse: Galayn Lord, Alkend, Lock, Denul, Korabas, Okral Lom, Kessobahn, Bek Okhan

Players not voted: Ampelas, Eloth, Rikkter, Ruse

Ruse has been lynched. He was Blend, and RI.

Alkend is dead. He was Tattersail, and RI.

This post has been edited by Path-Shaper: 17 April 2014 - 03:06 PM

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 3.


12 players alive.
Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Galayn Lord, Kessobahn, Korabas, Lock, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Shadow, Tiamatha

[Ampelas]

Seriously, what?

We've gone form scum having to take shots at pretty much random to fulfil their warlord VC to having a plain target. That is so not cool.

By taking you out the equation we deny the warlord VCs therefore making the other two a much less tempting target to scum.

I really don't see what you were aiming to achieve with coming out like that.

Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Game specific rules:
Scum: Achieve majority OR Kenshiro kills the 3 warlords. If a warlord is lynched, it does not count toward this VC, which becomes null.

If we don't lynch you then scum only need two NKs to win the game. If we do lynch you it is down to the parity condition (3 scum parity in 3 days, 2 scum parity 4 days, 1 scum parity 9 days) therefore it is better for town to lynch a known warlord.

I'll try and take a look at posting times over the game and see who *couldn't* have been around to change NK orders since Korabas came out - myself as the first one - and therefore whoever *may* be Ken. I am not discounting a killer being online and not changing but is worth considering; Eloth, Kessobahn, Okral Lom and Lock were all on after Korabas' reveal. Who else could have been is what I'll be looking at

Vote Korabas

[Path-Shaper]

Path-Shaper, on 11 April 2014 - 02:07 PM, said:

Game specific rules:

REVEALS OF IDENTITY ARE STRICTLY FORBIDDEN. Reveals of abilities, real or fake, are allowed.

I do not want anyone implying what they are. Next person who does, get's whacked.