[Rikkter]

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

...have reason to believe I'm not the only one able to do so ...

Heh. As in "all Begians have a beer"?

Given that we're only just at l5 there's really no way to substantiate that, the dead alts will not have carried out any actions so we have nothing to compare.

What are your reasons for believing that?

It is a good call though and I suspect it to be accurate, I just want to understand what set you along that path.

*raises a glass of beer to Eloth*

(although worth noting in no way, shape or form am I claiming to be Belgian PS )

And indeed, beer is in evidence here.

A glass for Bek too

[Rikkter]

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 08:55 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 03 April 2014 - 08:51 PM, said:

Bek, can you use it again?

I operated assuming I can use it once each day.

I used it early today to see how Eloth posted. I do not plan to use it to preserve myself but to get town information hence early use. as its outed its effect isn't quite as potent.

Path-Shaper, on 31 March 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Town roles have no abilities at level 0-4, and get a (one-time) ability at level 5.
What scum has, is unknown. Of course.

bek - clarify plz?

Nope. The brackets I thought would be case specific not general and my PM was worded one time day action. I seriously just assumed I could use once a day. That one time only thing I had not considered and really I had never really thought my power so precious to be conserved. I thought of it as an information gathering tool.

I must be the dumbest scum on earth to be worried a power other than my own would lead to a vote block on a lynch I pushed for prior to my own powers actually being unlocked Day 3.

If I'm scum I'd save it or spam it something proven only with time I guess. I havent slipped up but if you think the above means I'm scum because I used my powers early and thought I could use them again I'm not bothered.

I'm always lynched for my misreads and honestly I don't mind because I'm used to it, when you slip up you pay and if I am the biggest suspect I'm happy to be voted out.

I'll just observe from SH and hope you guys realize who set you against me and hopefully work out why.

My faction info will help clarify things a bit so I say follow Denul if you think that info is more valuable than my vote.

Now of course the big question is are you taking advantage of someone elses claim to being vote blocked by pretending to be the one doing it or do you have off-thread comms and this is a scheme to PI you?

[Rikkter]

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

...have reason to believe I'm not the only one able to do so ...

Heh. As in "all Begians have a beer"?

Given that we're only just at l5 there's really no way to substantiate that, the dead alts will not have carried out any actions so we have nothing to compare.

What are your reasons for believing that?

It is a good call though and I suspect it to be accurate, I just want to understand what set you along that path.

*raises a glass of beer to Eloth*

(although worth noting in no way, shape or form am I claiming to be Belgian PS )

And indeed, beer is in evidence here.

A glass for Bek too

By which I mean I forgot to include him in the original because I'm... ermm.. slightly sloshed. Time for bed before I fall over.

[Rikkter]

I'm probably out till Monday now, there is a slim chance I'll be around but don't bank on it.

I see no lynch choices I'd be happy to stand with at the moment, I will make an effort to get on before timeout though.

[Rikkter]

Oh and whoever it was thought this would turn into a faction game, we're likely at TMDI7 right now and unless I didn't get told we're still town vs scum

[Bek Okhan]

Denul, on 03 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Yeah, sorry, I don't believe your little 'reveal' to be completely honest, and, really, the vote blocking ability is not an ability I see town having for any reason - it's basically useless for a townie to be able to block a vote unless he's certain of a scum and it's D-Day, but even then... It just doesn't strike me as an ability town would have.

Furthermore, you're either willfully ignoring ability text, or PS posts...

I think you're lying - you slipped and now you're trying to make yourself seem unimportant.

vote Bek

I look at this and really this is the only thing you have had on me for this whole time. Your first read through had you looking at me as scum long before suspecting Tiam or GL. you are quick to claim Tiam RI despite faction attachments and now when I actually do slip up Your vote is based on what you think town would never get?

What part of TMDi 7 do you not understand? this may start as town versus town but it clearly had room to grow into a coop of wildcard. Why wouldn't town get obscure powers? I mean I don't get why I got the ability to block a vote but I don't see how getting that power makes me scum. I thought this was the whole reason we pushed for 600 posts, so we had the power to face off against scum on a level playing field. why wouldn't Tapper give town powers like mine? clearly he knows in the mechanic of the game this could be useful and I thought so too. a town able to block one players vote ability can do several things. any derailment on them would have to be forced from fellow scum for example as they cannot back a redirect themselves.

I really saw it as invaluable and your read of it as a scum only tool makes me think you're misleading players on purpose.

[Rikkter]

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

[Bek Okhan]

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

I'm confused Bek. Your reasoning for blocking me seems rather thin. For that matter I really can't see why anyone would vote block me.

Not if you take the argument against you posited earlier.

Here it is:

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1117555

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1117556

I also had my own thought on your Day 2 here:

http://forum.malazan...ost__p__1117679

Read all together Eloth you weren't looking good. Felt you were a strong suspect thought the vote block would pressure something out of you.

[Eloth]

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

Oh and whoever it was thought this would turn into a faction game, we're likely at TMDI7 right now and unless I didn't get told we're still town vs scum

PS posted a while back that it is still a straight town v scum. But he implied that all members of an origin federation/nationality would have the same level 5 ability.

It looks to me as if Bek is trying to claim that he is EU and has the vote block ability. With two EU dead that's a convenient nationality to claim.

[Eloth]

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

You know, you've received no heat that I can recall. You're the one who caught the GL screwup; maybe you were the other person in that pair?

[Bek Okhan]

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

Oh and whoever it was thought this would turn into a faction game, we're likely at TMDI7 right now and unless I didn't get told we're still town vs scum

PS posted a while back that it is still a straight town v scum. But he implied that all members of an origin federation/nationality would have the same level 5 ability.

It looks to me as if Bek is trying to claim that he is EU and has the vote block ability. With two EU dead that's a convenient nationality to claim.

What? how did you arrive at that?

Why on earth would I want to claim EU a faction with two highly suspected Alts already CF'd?

[Ampelas]

ok, hold up ---

Denul, on 03 April 2014 - 08:00 PM, said:

Kessobahn, on 03 April 2014 - 07:54 PM, said:

vote blocking does seem odd for town role

Specially given that we were told that we were all RI's - lynches are our only way to kill off the killers, why would we have a power to block votes, thus preventing a lynch?

what is this?

regardless of which you are claiming, the OP specifically says that town roles have a one time power at lvl 5. why couldn't one of those powers be a normal mafia power - a vig, a guard, a heal, a find, lover? furthermore, since lvl5 supposedly = tmdi 7, why couldn't these powers be even more exotic? maybe a suicide vig. or a bp. or...a vote block. it's not impossible. and that's what you responded to in kesso's post - the vote blocking ability, and then somehow jumped into "lynches are our only way to kill off the killers". i mean, even a basic understanding of the OP and the complexity that lvl5 brings to the game allows for the possibility of town having an NK (like a vig).

this doesn't sound like a town player talking right now. it sounds like scum desperately trying to play down the possibility of unusual abilities to push a lynch.

[Ampelas]

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

seriously? you've raised no accusations at me at all so far... not even interested in pressuring me about it? and then leaving? not sure what i can say about this without more to go on really.

[Ampelas]

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Denul, on 03 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Yeah, sorry, I don't believe your little 'reveal' to be completely honest, and, really, the vote blocking ability is not an ability I see town having for any reason - it's basically useless for a townie to be able to block a vote unless he's certain of a scum and it's D-Day, but even then... It just doesn't strike me as an ability town would have.

Furthermore, you're either willfully ignoring ability text, or PS posts...

I think you're lying - you slipped and now you're trying to make yourself seem unimportant.

vote Bek

I look at this and really this is the only thing you have had on me for this whole time. Your first read through had you looking at me as scum long before suspecting Tiam or GL. you are quick to claim Tiam RI despite faction attachments and now when I actually do slip up Your vote is based on what you think town would never get?

What part of TMDi 7 do you not understand? this may start as town versus town but it clearly had room to grow into a coop of wildcard. Why wouldn't town get obscure powers? I mean I don't get why I got the ability to block a vote but I don't see how getting that power makes me scum. I thought this was the whole reason we pushed for 600 posts, so we had the power to face off against scum on a level playing field. why wouldn't Tapper give town powers like mine? clearly he knows in the mechanic of the game this could be useful and I thought so too. a town able to block one players vote ability can do several things. any derailment on them would have to be forced from fellow scum for example as they cannot back a redirect themselves.

I really saw it as invaluable and your read of it as a scum only tool makes me think you're misleading players on purpose.

this is a decent answer but the truth is that with a power that is so obvious - the person you target is going to be told they can't vote that day - why would you use it so early when that person could easily just reveal it on thread? it would have been so much more useful at endgame, and even if you didn't get to use it, at least it would not have craeted the confusing situation we are in now

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

You know, you've received no heat that I can recall. You're the one who caught the GL screwup; maybe you were the other person in that pair?

which screwup did you mean? i don't recall rikkter pointing out much about gl until day 2, after he was lynched.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

You know, you've received no heat that I can recall. You're the one who caught the GL screwup; maybe you were the other person in that pair?

which screwup did you mean? i don't recall rikkter pointing out much about gl until day 2, after he was lynched.

Wasn't it Rikkter who pointed out the very first post was unusual and looked an awful lot like it was an off thread comm typed into the wrong thread?

[Bek Okhan]

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Denul, on 03 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Yeah, sorry, I don't believe your little 'reveal' to be completely honest, and, really, the vote blocking ability is not an ability I see town having for any reason - it's basically useless for a townie to be able to block a vote unless he's certain of a scum and it's D-Day, but even then... It just doesn't strike me as an ability town would have.

Furthermore, you're either willfully ignoring ability text, or PS posts...

I think you're lying - you slipped and now you're trying to make yourself seem unimportant.

vote Bek

I look at this and really this is the only thing you have had on me for this whole time. Your first read through had you looking at me as scum long before suspecting Tiam or GL. you are quick to claim Tiam RI despite faction attachments and now when I actually do slip up Your vote is based on what you think town would never get?

What part of TMDi 7 do you not understand? this may start as town versus town but it clearly had room to grow into a coop of wildcard. Why wouldn't town get obscure powers? I mean I don't get why I got the ability to block a vote but I don't see how getting that power makes me scum. I thought this was the whole reason we pushed for 600 posts, so we had the power to face off against scum on a level playing field. why wouldn't Tapper give town powers like mine? clearly he knows in the mechanic of the game this could be useful and I thought so too. a town able to block one players vote ability can do several things. any derailment on them would have to be forced from fellow scum for example as they cannot back a redirect themselves.

I really saw it as invaluable and your read of it as a scum only tool makes me think you're misleading players on purpose.

this is a decent answer but the truth is that with a power that is so obvious - the person you target is going to be told they can't vote that day - why would you use it so early when that person could easily just reveal it on thread? it would have been so much more useful at endgame, and even if you didn't get to use it, at least it would not have craeted the confusing situation we are in now

It was clear they'd be told. I wanted to see how they'd treat it. Revealing a vote block wasn't a problem. we'd have all sat trying to figure it out and examine Eloth ask questions, basically whats happening to me. what screwed the pooch was your highlighting my worries scum had a similar power and the last vote may get intercepted as I believe scum could do. I did not say it though, till after you'd voted as I had no plan to use my vote block. only after Korabas built a case on Eloth did I think maybe Eloth was flying under the radar and needed that pressure.

In my mind a vote block on a gray player encouraged the group to pressure that player. if there was a slip up to be made they'd need to be worried.

A vote block for town is unusual/ how would you use it end game? blocking a vote on a train just makes the train look scummier. And it would be revisited.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 10:55 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:47 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

You know, you've received no heat that I can recall. You're the one who caught the GL screwup; maybe you were the other person in that pair?

which screwup did you mean? i don't recall rikkter pointing out much about gl until day 2, after he was lynched.

Wasn't it Rikkter who pointed out the very first post was unusual and looked an awful lot like it was an off thread comm typed into the wrong thread?

ah ok, i misunderstood what you meant. if i have time i will look for that post

[Ampelas]

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 11:06 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 10:54 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Denul, on 03 April 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Yeah, sorry, I don't believe your little 'reveal' to be completely honest, and, really, the vote blocking ability is not an ability I see town having for any reason - it's basically useless for a townie to be able to block a vote unless he's certain of a scum and it's D-Day, but even then... It just doesn't strike me as an ability town would have.

Furthermore, you're either willfully ignoring ability text, or PS posts...

I think you're lying - you slipped and now you're trying to make yourself seem unimportant.

vote Bek

I look at this and really this is the only thing you have had on me for this whole time. Your first read through had you looking at me as scum long before suspecting Tiam or GL. you are quick to claim Tiam RI despite faction attachments and now when I actually do slip up Your vote is based on what you think town would never get?

What part of TMDi 7 do you not understand? this may start as town versus town but it clearly had room to grow into a coop of wildcard. Why wouldn't town get obscure powers? I mean I don't get why I got the ability to block a vote but I don't see how getting that power makes me scum. I thought this was the whole reason we pushed for 600 posts, so we had the power to face off against scum on a level playing field. why wouldn't Tapper give town powers like mine? clearly he knows in the mechanic of the game this could be useful and I thought so too. a town able to block one players vote ability can do several things. any derailment on them would have to be forced from fellow scum for example as they cannot back a redirect themselves.

I really saw it as invaluable and your read of it as a scum only tool makes me think you're misleading players on purpose.

this is a decent answer but the truth is that with a power that is so obvious - the person you target is going to be told they can't vote that day - why would you use it so early when that person could easily just reveal it on thread? it would have been so much more useful at endgame, and even if you didn't get to use it, at least it would not have craeted the confusing situation we are in now

It was clear they'd be told. I wanted to see how they'd treat it. Revealing a vote block wasn't a problem. we'd have all sat trying to figure it out and examine Eloth ask questions, basically whats happening to me. what screwed the pooch was your highlighting my worries scum had a similar power and the last vote may get intercepted as I believe scum could do. I did not say it though, till after you'd voted as I had no plan to use my vote block. only after Korabas built a case on Eloth did I think maybe Eloth was flying under the radar and needed that pressure.

In my mind a vote block on a gray player encouraged the group to pressure that player. if there was a slip up to be made they'd need to be worried.

A vote block for town is unusual/ how would you use it end game? blocking a vote on a train just makes the train look scummier. And it would be revisited.

yeah...i can see your logic now at least. and actually, a vote block could really fuck things up endgame, so maybe it would be best used early

hmmm

it's hard to be unbiased since i'm the one who caught the connection, as you said. not sure what to think yet

[Lock]

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

...have reason to believe I'm not the only one able to do so ...

Heh. As in "all Begians have a beer"?

Given that we're only just at l5 there's really no way to substantiate that, the dead alts will not have carried out any actions so we have nothing to compare.

What are your reasons for believing that?

It is a good call though and I suspect it to be accurate, I just want to understand what set you along that path.

*raises a glass of beer to Eloth*

(although worth noting in no way, shape or form am I claiming to be Belgian PS )

My brain is having trouble following these latest developments. For example, I have no idea what this conversation is about. "All belgians have a beer"? Is this where the suggestion is made that all faction members have the same power at level 5?

It's Eloth's posts in particular that are doing my head in. Clarity people, clarity.