[Eloth]

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

Oh and whoever it was thought this would turn into a faction game, we're likely at TMDI7 right now and unless I didn't get told we're still town vs scum

PS posted a while back that it is still a straight town v scum. But he implied that all members of an origin federation/nationality would have the same level 5 ability.

It looks to me as if Bek is trying to claim that he is EU and has the vote block ability. With two EU dead that's a convenient nationality to claim.

What? how did you arrive at that?

Why on earth would I want to claim EU a faction with two highly suspected Alts already CF'd?

You're right you specifically stated earlier that you weren't EU, US, or Asia.

[Eloth]

Lock, on 03 April 2014 - 11:12 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 06:21 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

...have reason to believe I'm not the only one able to do so ...

Heh. As in "all Begians have a beer"?

Given that we're only just at l5 there's really no way to substantiate that, the dead alts will not have carried out any actions so we have nothing to compare.

What are your reasons for believing that?

It is a good call though and I suspect it to be accurate, I just want to understand what set you along that path.

*raises a glass of beer to Eloth*

(although worth noting in no way, shape or form am I claiming to be Belgian PS )

My brain is having trouble following these latest developments. For example, I have no idea what this conversation is about. "All belgians have a beer"? Is this where the suggestion is made that all faction members have the same power at level 5?

It's Eloth's posts in particular that are doing my head in. Clarity people, clarity.

I'm referring to this:

Path-Shaper, on 02 April 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

19 hours and 35 minutes left.

12 alive: Alkend, Ampelas, Bek Okhan, Denul, Eloth, Korabas, Kessobahn, Lock, Monok Ochem, Okral Lom, Rikkter, Tiamatha.

7 for a lynch, 6 for night.

No votes yet.

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To clear up some of the faction/alignment worries:
the factions in the game are "town" and "scum".

Each town player has [name] - [continent/federation/nation/something else] - RI in their PM header.
Scum has [name] - [continent/federation/nation/something else] - [something else] in their PM header.

The [continent/federation/nation/something else] is NOT a faction, but it might be used for abilities, say:

Quote

Manneke Pis - Belgium - RI

Your abilities:
Level 0: nothing
Level 1: nothing
Level 2: nothing
Level 3: nothing
Level 4: nothing
Level 5: one-time day action: you and all other players from Belgium have a beer.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Well common assumption is Tiam was possibly a symp that turns up town so his CF looks identical to Alkend who was town.

GL obviously had a roled position. maybe a second killer with power activated late? its WIFOM to suppose anything really.

We'd have to discuss NA and its a popular belief only scum discuss NAs.

I can just guess symps level into killers and we got the original killer but one of his symps became a killer.

Your guess would make it 4 scum? Boss, henchman GL, symp Khell, and unknown symp who offed Alkend? Shin had a similar setup a few games back. That one went sideways day one when the recruiter was lynched day one.

4 scum out of 13 players? that would make it almost a 1/3 ratio from the beginning of the game. that seems unlikely for tmdi2. changing the game to tmdi 7, though....well, that could possibly change things

[Lock]

Ok, thanks.

[Ampelas]

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 11:13 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 10:48 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:30 PM, said:

Oh and whoever it was thought this would turn into a faction game, we're likely at TMDI7 right now and unless I didn't get told we're still town vs scum

PS posted a while back that it is still a straight town v scum. But he implied that all members of an origin federation/nationality would have the same level 5 ability.

It looks to me as if Bek is trying to claim that he is EU and has the vote block ability. With two EU dead that's a convenient nationality to claim.

What? how did you arrive at that?

Why on earth would I want to claim EU a faction with two highly suspected Alts already CF'd?

You're right you specifically stated earlier that you weren't EU, US, or Asia.

eloth - based on this and what you just quoted from p-s about nationalities, what logic are you using to connect a possible ability with a nationality?

[Korabas]

Definitely in the wrong time zone. Even getting out and hour or so earlier, I still miss the good stuff . as bek himself said, he was trying to redirect attention onto Eloth. However, the opposite happened, and I must ask, was this the actual intent. Bek did mention he was following up on my case on Eloth, but what confuses me is why? I came to the conclusion that Eloth wasn't high on my list of likely scum. He was weird day 1 but I wasn't too sure he was scum material after analyzing day 2 (I can requote my case if need be).

Also, as someone just pointed out, no one has given a hard look at rikkter. Fortunately for you i said I would analyze him next. I'll be rereading if anyone needs me.

[Korabas]

First thoughts as i get into day2. Rikkter starts off diametrically opposed to GL. Interestingly, Rikter seems more interested in post suppression than seeing the lynch of GL all the way through (altho to be fair, votes were sticking to GL just fine without much additional encouragement from rikkter). Now we have two hypotheticals: rikkter could have known or not known Gl was scum. If the former, then killing off GL could be because either GL was a liability or because being the lead on such a lynch was more advantageous. I don't think i need to spell out the later scenario. another notable thing about rikkter's stance is that on stark contrast to the noisy players, he seemed hardcore, angry town (part of the reason no case has formed on him).

couple all that with a thorough analysis of GL, and you have Grade A, USDA-approved, fresh townie.

i would point out that thus far, digging through GL's splurge has come up empty. could it be that GL, in a blaze of glory, was just fucking with all of our heads and Rikkter was there to keep the shit rolling like a good little dung beetle?

still reading.

[Monok Ochem]

quick catch up read.

Beks claim and the subsequent reclarification (read reposting) of PS's federation clarification post makes me see that my theory on the 3 factions is totally borked as the one off abilty is clealry not the same for all RIs like I thought.

this leaves me adrift once more, I'm for bed but not working until 9 tomorrow. Vote stays on Eloth for now but realising my faction theory was based entirely on reading comprehension fail its based on his previous rather than the quote from alkend, and as such considerably shakier

[Monok Ochem]

quick catch up read.

Beks claim and the subsequent reclarification (read reposting) of PS's federation clarification post makes me see that my theory on the 3 factions is totally borked as the one off abilty is clealry not the same for all RIs like I thought.

this leaves me adrift once more, I'm for bed but not working until 9 tomorrow. Vote stays on Eloth for now but realising my faction theory was based entirely on reading comprehension fail its based on his previous rather than the quote from alkend, and as such considerably shakier

[Bek Okhan]

Korabas, on 04 April 2014 - 12:36 AM, said:

First thoughts as i get into day2. Rikkter starts off diametrically opposed to GL. Interestingly, Rikter seems more interested in post suppression than seeing the lynch of GL all the way through (altho to be fair, votes were sticking to GL just fine without much additional encouragement from rikkter). Now we have two hypotheticals: rikkter could have known or not known Gl was scum. If the former, then killing off GL could be because either GL was a liability or because being the lead on such a lynch was more advantageous. I don't think i need to spell out the later scenario. another notable thing about rikkter's stance is that on stark contrast to the noisy players, he seemed hardcore, angry town (part of the reason no case has formed on him).

couple all that with a thorough analysis of GL, and you have Grade A, USDA-approved, fresh townie.

i would point out that thus far, digging through GL's splurge has come up empty. could it be that GL, in a blaze of glory, was just fucking with all of our heads and Rikkter was there to keep the shit rolling like a good little dung beetle?

still reading.

Hey Korabas, just a question here because I'm not sure but something here might be off. What do you mean Rikkter opposed to GL Day 2? GL was our Day 1 lynch right?

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 11:27 PM, said:

eloth - based on this and what you just quoted from p-s about nationalities, what logic are you using to connect a possible ability with a nationality?

From this:

Path-Shaper, on 31 March 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Added information:

Each player has a name, a continent/state/federation and a third word (RI for town) in their PM.
The name is for scenes, the state/continent/federation are ability keys, the word for fluff/faction.

The highlight is mine of course.

Speculation so as always YMMV.

[Korabas]

Bek Okhan, on 04 April 2014 - 01:01 AM, said:

Korabas, on 04 April 2014 - 12:36 AM, said:

First thoughts as i get into day2. Rikkter starts off diametrically opposed to GL. Interestingly, Rikter seems more interested in post suppression than seeing the lynch of GL all the way through (altho to be fair, votes were sticking to GL just fine without much additional encouragement from rikkter). Now we have two hypotheticals: rikkter could have known or not known Gl was scum. If the former, then killing off GL could be because either GL was a liability or because being the lead on such a lynch was more advantageous. I don't think i need to spell out the later scenario. another notable thing about rikkter's stance is that on stark contrast to the noisy players, he seemed hardcore, angry town (part of the reason no case has formed on him).

couple all that with a thorough analysis of GL, and you have Grade A, USDA-approved, fresh townie.

i would point out that thus far, digging through GL's splurge has come up empty. could it be that GL, in a blaze of glory, was just fucking with all of our heads and Rikkter was there to keep the shit rolling like a good little dung beetle?

still reading.

Hey Korabas, just a question here because I'm not sure but something here might be off. What do you mean Rikkter opposed to GL Day 2? GL was our Day 1 lynch right?

I see the confusion. I was just getting into Day 2 in my own reread. Most of what I was discussing was Day 1.

[Korabas]

Sorry, I had some kiddos to put to bed, and now I am home and my spelling, punctuation, and capitalization will improve dramatically.

[Korabas]

Day 2 is really interesting, and by interesting I mean painful. Lots of one liners, joking around, much like Day 1 all over again, except longer and more tedious. And Rikkter is no exception. He goes from aggressively demanding silence to spilling forth giggly oneliners. He starts off the day pondering deep things about GL and then goes into shallow overload post mode. What is more striking is how he no longer seems to go after any one person in particular. He bounces around, prods a little, but mostly just lets things happen while building up the post count.

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 03:29 PM, said:

Tiamatha, on 02 April 2014 - 03:27 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 03:24 PM, said:

Tiam, do you think you can pull off 3 posts per hour? You managed a respectable 1.3/hour yesterday so it only means doubling your output and a little bit more.

That's the thing, today's been busy, and now I'm off to dinner out and the cinema, so I won't be at a computer. By the time I get back it will be late at night and I'll likely only manage a few posts before going to bed.

I suppose I have to therefore suspect that you're scum who is quite happy with their level 2 power and doesn't feel the need for their second / third / whatever powers at higher levels today

Prod.

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

Denul, on 02 April 2014 - 07:40 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 02 April 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

Ok point 5

Quote

5.Open Support of GL

has already been addressed and is evident in every quote running the Tiam as scum angle.

I think Tiam deserves a lynch. Im gonna vote on him but maybe the train can be a bit relaxed? we need to pad our post count and stay well away from hammering till maybe the last two hours or less.

Vote Tiamatha

While I was reading the Day 1 crap, Tiam was the one who stuck out most to me. Problem is, it's basically for pushing so hard to level up. He and GL spent a good chunk of time spamming away.

I anticipate the same charge levelled my way tomorrow. Tiam / Ampelas are my 2 top candidates at the moment. Ampelas has done a complete about turn on their posting, 37 D1 to none today so far.

Prod.

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 10:24 PM, said:

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 10:23 PM, said:

Ampelas, on 02 April 2014 - 10:22 PM, said:

Eloth, on 02 April 2014 - 10:22 PM, said:

level 4 hit.

why are you sad? we are hitting 5 today

Fancy 6?

Oh shit, thought. What if scum keep levelling up past 5?

And while I hesitate to use the term fear-mongering, this caught my attention. Closely followed by this quote of PS:

Rikkter, on 02 April 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Path-Shaper, on 31 March 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

Town roles have no abilities at level 0-4, and get a (one-time) ability at level 5.
What scum has, is unknown. Of course.

Even the vote for Tiam is underwhelming, saying he is the best candidate for the day by virtue of how many votes have piled up on him. Kind of odd for someone who has had lots of time to post, done a thorough look over GL's posts, but never came to any conclusion...

So ironically, not much to go on for day 2, but I guess if you think about it, there wasn't much in his posting content for day 1 either except for what can be summed in four letters: STFU.

But he does like his porcelain throne.

[Korabas]

Ok, well this kind of cinches it for me. Rikkter comes in sloshed, makes a few remarks about the Bek vote block on Eloth, and then stumbles away. However, he couldn't leave well enough alone:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

I don't see how Rikkter has made it this long without being noticed. I guess he was piggybacking on his earlier success with GL, but since then, I can't say he's been all that helpful when examined closely. And dropping a vote based on day 1 logic? This is enough for me:

Vote Rikkter

[Eloth]

Korabas, on 04 April 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

Ok, well this kind of cinches it for me. Rikkter comes in sloshed, makes a few remarks about the Bek vote block on Eloth, and then stumbles away. However, he couldn't leave well enough alone:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

I don't see how Rikkter has made it this long without being noticed. I guess he was piggybacking on his earlier success with GL, but since then, I can't say he's been all that helpful when examined closely. And dropping a vote based on day 1 logic? This is enough for me:

Vote Rikkter

You're right I think. It's not just the vote though. Notice that he completely bypasses the possibility that Amp was the lover GL was talking with. And still trying to focus on the letter 'A'. Even if their conversation was limited in some way at lower levels surely to god they'd have switched to another letter. I 'm thinking that he and GL quickly realized that a boo boo had been done and Rikkter decided that the safest thing to do was point it out himself and try to focus on Amp rather than GL.

For myself, I've got Amp solidly in the town column based upon three things he has said that echo well with me.

[Eloth]

Ampelas, on 03 April 2014 - 11:22 PM, said:

Eloth, on 03 April 2014 - 05:30 PM, said:

Bek Okhan, on 03 April 2014 - 05:21 PM, said:

Well common assumption is Tiam was possibly a symp that turns up town so his CF looks identical to Alkend who was town.

GL obviously had a roled position. maybe a second killer with power activated late? its WIFOM to suppose anything really.

We'd have to discuss NA and its a popular belief only scum discuss NAs.

I can just guess symps level into killers and we got the original killer but one of his symps became a killer.

Your guess would make it 4 scum? Boss, henchman GL, symp Khell, and unknown symp who offed Alkend? Shin had a similar setup a few games back. That one went sideways day one when the recruiter was lynched day one.

4 scum out of 13 players? that would make it almost a 1/3 ratio from the beginning of the game. that seems unlikely for tmdi2. changing the game to tmdi 7, though....well, that could possibly change things

Bek was basing his thoughts on somebody else's (MO?) idea. Are you suggesting that they grew in numbers as well as abilities? I.e. a recruiter?

[Eloth]

Somebody is naked

[Kessobahn]

Stupid tablet ate my post

I'm off to sleep

I don't think everybody has the same ability

[Rikkter]

Korabas, on 04 April 2014 - 01:57 AM, said:

Ok, well this kind of cinches it for me. Rikkter comes in sloshed, makes a few remarks about the Bek vote block on Eloth, and then stumbles away. However, he couldn't leave well enough alone:

Rikkter, on 03 April 2014 - 10:38 PM, said:

Okay I'm still here and should be sleeping but can't just leave no vote.

Vote Ampelas

For being potentially the one a lover henchman pair were discussing signalling to

I don't see how Rikkter has made it this long without being noticed. I guess he was piggybacking on his earlier success with GL, but since then, I can't say he's been all that helpful when examined closely. And dropping a vote based on day 1 logic? This is enough for me:

Vote Rikkter

Sorry I wasn't so clear - it wasn't based on being the other part of the lover pair, it was based on one of the A's being the target of GL & lovers conversation.

Anyone know how long we have left?