[Imperial Historian]

Yeah i meant cloaking device.

Re drek, if you upgrade your cruiser or dread with improved hull I don't think drek will attack as you will be comfortably able to beat her ships with one of yours. With gnaw having cloaking device her home world's are not as secure, so I doubt she will risk attacking much.

[Tattersail_]

As per IH's instructions.

Ganoes Paran, on 11 November 2013 - 10:01 AM, said:

Round 4
#1

Research Improved Hull
Upkeep -5
Bank $4, S8, M14
Production $15, S6, M4

Round 4
#2
Research Point Defense put it on middle track - 9 science convert 4 materials into 1 science to cover this.
Upkeep -7
Bank $4,S0,M10

[Khellendros]

What an interesting plan. If only I had gosh darn thought that you might do something along those lines. Goshy gosh darn.

Tapper, I think I can help you take Arcturus after all. What would you plan to throw in there do you think?

[Tapper]

Khellendros, on 12 November 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

What an interesting plan. If only I had gosh darn thought that you might do something along those lines. Goshy gosh darn.

Tapper, I think I can help you take Arcturus after all. What would you plan to throw in there do you think?

A dread and either 2 (upgraded?) inties, or another dread if I burn colony ships.

[Gnaw]

Gnaw, on 12 November 2013 - 10:02 AM, said:

i'm headed for bed. way past sleepy.

I'm not leaving a provisional so IH can get his proposal in. IH, I'm torn between getting a computer or something else. Computer + mats == ships to defend Arcturus. The something else is a more aggressive approach that could kepp Tapper from comingnto Arcturus this round.

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Damn. Waited all that time for you to tell me to do what I wanted to do.

Great minds.

One of them can still grab the shield. But can't have everything.


Research Cloaking Device -7 science put on middle track
$0, Sc 0, Ma 13. -7 upkeep

[Gnaw]

Khellendros, on 12 November 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

What an interesting plan. If only I had gosh darn thought that you might do something along those lines. Goshy gosh darn.

Tapper, I think I can help you take Arcturus after all. What would you plan to throw in there do you think?

Tapper, on 12 November 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 12 November 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

What an interesting plan. If only I had gosh darn thought that you might do something along those lines. Goshy gosh darn.

Tapper, I think I can help you take Arcturus after all. What would you plan to throw in there do you think?

A dread and either 2 (upgraded?) inties, or another dread if I burn colony ships.

I told you I was ok with Tapper's plan. I'm willing to trade Arcturus. Which home world are you offering in exchange?

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

If you don't attack my homeworld I'm all for diplomatic relations. I want to build a couple of orbitals this round but with you looming I'm not sure that will be the best move.

[Galactic Council]

Round 4 Action Phase



Turn 1


Tatts

• Research Improved Hull
• Upkeep -5
• Bank $4, S8, M14
• Production $15, S6, M4

Gnaw

• research neutron bombs -2 sci
• -5 upkeep. 0, Sci 7, Ma 13

Twelve

• Research plasma missiles convert 6 materials to science
• 1$, 0S, 13 M upkeep -3

Imperial Historian

• research advanced mining
  
• Convert 3 production to 1 science,
  
• Upkeep -2 £0 S=0 P=9

Morgoth

• Research - Fusion drive and Fusion Source for 7 science
• $ 2, S 3, M 7,
• Upkeep - 5

CF - RESEARCH - Advanced labs


Tapper provisional.

• Research Gauss Shield for 2 science, (middle track).

Khell

• RESEARCH Fusion Source for 6 Science.
• $0, S2, M13

D'rek - RESearch Neutron Bombs for my next action. ? 'next' implies a previous. Did she make a turn 1 action provisional that I missed?





Turn 2


Tatts -
Research Point Defense put it on middle track - 9 science convert 4 materials into 1 science to cover this.
Upkeep -7
Bank $4,S0,M10



Gnaw
Research Cloaking Device -7 science put on middle track
$0, Sc 0, Ma 13. -7 upkeep

Twelve -

twelve, on 11 November 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

What the hell I'm fucked anyway.

Build two orbitals on in 310 the other in 318
(1$,0S,2M Upkeep -5)

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I'm not sure that will be the best move.

Imperial Historian

Morgoth provisional
Upgrade - Add fusion source and fusion drive to cruiser

CF

Tapper


Turn 3

Spoiler

Tatts -



Gnaw


Twelve




Imperial Historian

Morgoth



CF

Tapper

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 12 November 2013 - 04:21 PM

[Tattersail_]

Gnaw, on 12 November 2013 - 04:15 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 12 November 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

What an interesting plan. If only I had gosh darn thought that you might do something along those lines. Goshy gosh darn.

Tapper, I think I can help you take Arcturus after all. What would you plan to throw in there do you think?

Tapper, on 12 November 2013 - 02:18 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 12 November 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

What an interesting plan. If only I had gosh darn thought that you might do something along those lines. Goshy gosh darn.

Tapper, I think I can help you take Arcturus after all. What would you plan to throw in there do you think?

A dread and either 2 (upgraded?) inties, or another dread if I burn colony ships.

I told you I was ok with Tapper's plan. I'm willing to trade Arcturus. Which home world are you offering in exchange?

Gnaw you could do a lot of damage to Tapper's economy this turn, he doesn't have much to throw in your way. I think they are stalling and acting tough but if you did take a few hexes off Tapper this turn it would really hurt him.

Or you could be defensive and be ready for when they do eventually attack. Do they battle you before ancients?

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 12 November 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

Okay Point defense. That'd be all 8 science plus 4 materials. Or 8 Materials if I want to put it on first track.

Which one is stealth field, is it cloaking device, I agree with you there.

I will also offer diplomatic relations if that is what it takes for you to accept IH's offer.

IH you can see D'rek has an interceptor that can travel into 3 of my hexes right?

DEAL!!!!!!

I would accept both but first we need to be neighbors. I screwed up big time getting the plasma missiles. I was wanting to turtle and defend this game not fight. you leave me alone most of the game I'll have some nice juicy monolith hexes for you to try and take from me later in the game.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

If you don't attack my homeworld I'm all for diplomatic relations. I want to build a couple of orbitals this round but with you looming I'm not sure that will be the best move.

I can't guarantee I'm not going to attack your homeworld, because lets face it sooner or later you are going to attack me, or I am going to attack you. As I see it diplomatic relations will give us both a motivation not to attack each other straight away. The offer of diplomatic relations still stands, though I would like to know if you accept or not before I make my next move.

[Gnaw]

Ganoes Paran, on 12 November 2013 - 04:21 PM, said:

Or you could be defensive and be ready for when they do eventually attack. Do they battle you before ancients?

Me first.

[Imperial Historian]

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 12 November 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

Okay Point defense. That'd be all 8 science plus 4 materials. Or 8 Materials if I want to put it on first track.

Which one is stealth field, is it cloaking device, I agree with you there.

I will also offer diplomatic relations if that is what it takes for you to accept IH's offer.

IH you can see D'rek has an interceptor that can travel into 3 of my hexes right?

DEAL!!!!!!

I would accept both but first we need to be neighbors. I screwed up big time getting the plasma missiles. I was wanting to turtle and defend this game not fight. you leave me alone most of the game I'll have some nice juicy monolith hexes for you to try and take from me later in the game.

Yeah if I'd been paying attention I would have grabbed point defence and you could have been in big trouble. You are lucky morgoth was on the ball, if he'd waited any longer I'd have had time to change my move.

[Tattersail_]

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 12 November 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

Okay Point defense. That'd be all 8 science plus 4 materials. Or 8 Materials if I want to put it on first track.

Which one is stealth field, is it cloaking device, I agree with you there.

I will also offer diplomatic relations if that is what it takes for you to accept IH's offer.

IH you can see D'rek has an interceptor that can travel into 3 of my hexes right?

DEAL!!!!!!

I would accept both but first we need to be neighbors. I screwed up big time getting the plasma missiles. I was wanting to turtle and defend this game not fight. you leave me alone most of the game I'll have some nice juicy monolith hexes for you to try and take from me later in the game.

My ship is bordering your hex, and I am in IH's alliance, can we not exchange diplo at all unless hexes are touching?

[Galactic Council]

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

DEAL!!!!!!

I would accept both but first we need to be neighbors. I screwed up big time getting the plasma missiles. I was wanting to turtle and defend this game not fight. you leave me alone most of the game I'll have some nice juicy monolith hexes for you to try and take from me later in the game.

It's Twelve's turn.

[twelve]

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 04:24 PM, said:

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

If you don't attack my homeworld I'm all for diplomatic relations. I want to build a couple of orbitals this round but with you looming I'm not sure that will be the best move.

I can't guarantee I'm not going to attack your homeworld, because lets face it sooner or later you are going to attack me, or I am going to attack you. As I see it diplomatic relations will give us both a motivation not to attack each other straight away. The offer of diplomatic relations still stands, though I would like to know if you accept or not before I make my next move.

I totaly understand that the diplomatic relations just delays the inevitable but I'm A okay with that delay. I was just refering to this round and this round only but wouldn't be amiss to it dragging to the next round or two either.

I accept Diplomalomatic relations with IH

I need time to think where to put the cube though.

[twelve]

Ganoes Paran, on 12 November 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Ganoes Paran, on 12 November 2013 - 12:00 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 12 November 2013 - 11:39 AM, said:

OK my proposal is this, it is not the best move for us this round, but I think it will work out better long term.

So there are a number of things which can screw us over, but two things which I for see happening sooner rather than later are tapper getting point defence, with antimatter splitter this is eventually going to nullify gnaws expensive missile investment. I should have got it last turn, but I think tatts should get it now (he can afford it if he trades in money or materials, I'd put it on the middle track and trade material).

The other thing which would be difficult to deal with is drek getting stealth field, it could get very awkward to deal with that coupled with wormhole generators. If gnaw grabs it this turn, he is perfectly placed to attack tapper right back if he is attacked. Now gnaw is invested in missiles and neutron bombs, he can play terrorist just like twelve.

Regarding defending arcturus, I'd just build 4 interceptors there. The difference in odds with getting positron computers or starbases is negligible, and if you don't win you can retreat and be ready to hit back next turn (with mine or tatts help). If tapper and khell decide to go for arcturus they are going to have to use a lot of moves, and it will still be a chancy proposition, and if you lose you won't lose the majority of your ships, whilst they will. They don't have the production to handle that sort of loss.

Twelve would you consider diplomatic relations? I want to clear a path to the centre but can't do that with you waiting to pounce.

Tatts re defence vs drek with a build or move as a reaction you should be able to deal with any attack from drek

Okay Point defense. That'd be all 8 science plus 4 materials. Or 8 Materials if I want to put it on first track.

Which one is stealth field, is it cloaking device, I agree with you there.

I will also offer diplomatic relations if that is what it takes for you to accept IH's offer.

IH you can see D'rek has an interceptor that can travel into 3 of my hexes right?

DEAL!!!!!!

I would accept both but first we need to be neighbors. I screwed up big time getting the plasma missiles. I was wanting to turtle and defend this game not fight. you leave me alone most of the game I'll have some nice juicy monolith hexes for you to try and take from me later in the game.

My ship is bordering your hex, and I am in IH's alliance, can we not exchange diplo at all unless hexes are touching?

No you have to have a territory next to mine I think.

[twelve]

Place money cube on ambassador with IH

[Galactic Council]

Round 4 Action Phase




Twelve -

twelve, on 11 November 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

What the hell I'm fucked anyway.

Build two orbitals on in 310 the other in 318
(1$,0S,2M Upkeep -5)

Need Confirmation on this

twelve, on 12 November 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

I'm not sure that will be the best move.

I accept Diplomalomatic relations with IH (I need time to think where to put the cube though.)


It's your turn so you're offering, not accepting.

Confirm your provisional? A 24 hour old provisional is a bit shaky for me to ok without approval.

[Imperial Historian]

I'll also put a money cube on my ambassador.