[D'rek]

Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.

Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.

In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.

In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored

In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.

I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.

Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?

[Galactic Council]

D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.

Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.

In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.

In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored

In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.

I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.

Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?

The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.

[Galactic Council]

I'v got to read through the previous two pages or so to get my bearings.

[D'rek]

Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.

Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.

In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.

In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored

In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.

I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.

Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?

The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.

I don't know what the actual rules are on this stuff. I'm fine with whatever method, I just didn't realize that's how it was working for tier 2 and not sure what is happening for tier 1.

[Imperial Historian]

Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.

Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.

In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.

In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored

In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.

I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.

Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?

The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.

The rules that apply are from page 5 of the original game:

Place the Sector hex tiles face down in three stacks, Inner (I), Middle (II) and Outer (III) sector hexes (according to the number of players) in separate stacks

In the original rules it only specifies building a deck of outer tiles

The expansion rule specify additionally building a deck of tier 2 tiles (and in fact I think it is 12 in all cases no matter how many players)

Nowhere does it say you build a deck of 6 tiles for the inner ring, which has always had 8 tiles available. Therefore discards in tier 1 are not automatically played.

If you want to change your move because of that, or change the rules, let us know.

[Imperial Historian]

Also what's your orientation so I can make my damn move!

[Galactic Council]

Shah. Nephew is here and I promised I'd help with the fire wood. It's going to be at least an hour.
IH, how did Tatts orient his?
Edit: Shah? Damn spell correct. Shit.

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 25 October 2013 - 06:47 PM

[D'rek]

Shah! Shah! Shah!

[Galactic Council]

Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:

Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:

Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.

Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.

In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.

In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored

In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.

I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.

Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?

The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.

The rules that apply are from page 5 of the original game:

Place the Sector hex tiles face down in three stacks, Inner (I), Middle (II) and Outer (III) sector hexes (according to the number of players) in separate stacks

In the original rules it only specifies building a deck of outer tiles

The expansion rule specify additionally building a deck of tier 2 tiles (and in fact I think it is 12 in all cases no matter how many players)

Nowhere does it say you build a deck of 6 tiles for the inner ring, which has always had 8 tiles available. Therefore discards in tier 1 are not automatically played.

If you want to change your move because of that, or change the rules, let us know.

And yes, if that's the way the rules are in the rulebook, I want to change my move. As for changing the rule, I had already done that. Post 6

[Tattersail_]

I orientated mine so that the worm hole touches tier 3 and your hex, and offered diplomatic relations.

[Tattersail_]

Ganoes Paran, on 25 October 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

I really do not know what to do here. I assumed I'd be able to connect to that hex this go.

Ganoes Paran, on 25 October 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

Okay. Keep Hex. orientate so that one worm hole touches my home world, one towards tier 3 and one towards Gnaw hex 213.


Gnaw exchange ambassadors?


edit. if he accepts burn money cube

edit edit influence and colonise money planet

[D'rek]

What a night, I manage to think - painfully. Blurred memories flash past: running in circles trying to find a space toilet, noticing an asteroid at almost the last second before steering my space interceptor away at the last minute, giving all the space monkeys in the lab a shot of space tequila... Ha. And they all seemed like such good ideas at the time, too.

Awake and gradually sobering up now, clarity starts to return. What was with all those dreams about strange fonts and always talking in a royal we? Nevermind, there's shit to get done as usual. With extreme effort, I get my morning preparations done and stumble into the daily grind. I can still feel quite a bit of nausea in my gonul and it makes the usually pleasant morning view of the-
-hypodronic food replicator fields-
-comet clusters through the cockpit-
-solar antiguator arrays-
-shrine construction site-
-throne room and attendants feel gruesome. Once seated, I enfold the day's updates and issue my first order - the psi-drones' overnight planetary scan shows high potential for scientific advancement.

"Send orders to the Ministry of Colonization," I gesture to the leftmost attendant. "Establish a research colony on Geminga VI."

"Yes sir" I gesture to the Triarch, and dash from the throne room. With important orders like that, there's no time to waste. Within moments I have an uplink to the Ministry's Chief of the Frontier.

"Orders from the Triarch himself. Research colony on Geminga VI." I announce.

"Understood" I reply. "I'll see to it immediately." Closing the connection to the Triarch's office, I verify the transmission codes for the order then activate the broadcast signal, distributing the orders super-liminally across the entire Grid, on a channel reserved for colony ship orders.

Orders fulfilled, I sit back for a moment in my-
-Ministry-issue chair-
-cyclopod transport-
-psi-drone control terminal-
-excavation mechanoid, eyes closed. The pounding in my head has receded, but images from last night's party are still fresh in my mind. A major expansion of the Grid and a peaceful first contact with another space-faring race had certainly been good causes for celebration.

Thankfully, the strange 'we' dreams were all but forgotten now. Must've been the flashing from the Pulsar... who knew those things could get you high?

[Galactic Council]

gnaw, on Oct 24 2013, 08:47 PM, said:

twelve, on Oct 24 2013, 08:20 PM, said:

The NW explore in my above post refer's to CF's last explore action.

Yeah, looking at the map that's certainly what he wanted. Tapper walled himself off from the SecII hex to CF's north.


Character CF
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description R1 T2 CF Sector II explore 6 hexes available
http://orokos.com/roll/144946#
Results 1#1d6: 1 # 5 [1d6=5]

210 Psi Capricorni
1 VP, 1 money, 1 mat, 3 wormholes, no discovery no ancient




Character Tapper
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description R1 T2 Tapper Sector I 8 tiles available
http://orokos.com/roll/144947#
Results 1#1d8: 1 # 2 [1d8=2]

102

Pollux

3 VP, 2 science, artifact, 4 wormholes
No discovery, no ancients[

gnaw, on Oct 25 2013, 12:43 AM, said:

cerveza_fiesta, on Oct 25 2013, 12:34 AM, said:

Ill take orientation 6 plz.

The one that connects me to morgoth, put money cube on diplo, influence system, do not colonize.

Color me surprised I thought you'd freeze him out

cerveza_fiesta, on 24 October 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

"To the hydran high command, we accept your offer of truce and peace, and will work diligently to ensure that our WPGRG connects our territories if it is possible. If not now, then we will endeavor to form a trade corridor with your sectors at the earliest opportunity..."

Tapper, on 24 October 2013 - 01:46 PM, said:

fter the discovery of Espilon Indi, exploration fever broke out in the galaxy. Eager to grasp an even bigger slice of the intergalactic pie, the Liga du nord worked with La société de l'exploration a l'ouest in a northbound expedition in a bid to reach the galactic core before all other races.

Explore Ring 1 between 206, 208 (so north-west from 206).
Always keep the hex.
Claim if possible (no ancients). Do not colonize yet.
Align in such a way that 206 is connected, that I have access to the Galactic Centre, and preferably to Khell's hex (208) as well.

If I connect to 208, offer diplomatic relations to Khell.

Galactic Council, on 24 October 2013 - 09:34 PM, said:

There are two positions that match your instructions:

3 or 6 (NE,SE,SW,NW) so 6.

Inlfuence.

Offer Diplo to Khell

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 25 October 2013 - 09:13 PM

[Galactic Council]

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 12:06 AM said:

Khellendros,Oct 24 2013, 11:59 PM said:

Alright, what I said before, but explore north east of homeworld instead of south-east of TL.

So explore NW of Iota Persei and NE of homeworld, and accept diplo with Tapper, putting money cube on ambo.

I'm going to do the Sector II first

Character Khell
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description r1t2 Khell sector 2 explore. NW from Iota Persei 5 tiles available
http://orokos.com/roll/144985#
Results 1#1d5: 1 # 4 [1d5=4]

That is 209 Delta Eridan




yeah. this

The double explore is essentially you do a regular explore once, then you do a regular explore again. If it were tabletop, you would say "I'm exploring here", flip a hex, orient it, influence it, then do the second hex.

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 12:20 AM said:

Khellendros,Oct 25 2013, 12:16 AM said:

One turn clockwise and place please, and influence. And yeah, I still want to explore tier III.

Character Khell
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description r1t2 Khell sector 3 explore. NE from home world 23 tiles available
http://orokos.com/roll/144994#
Results 1#1d23: 1 # 11 [1d23=11]


BM - 306 Beta Centauri

Khellendros,Oct 25 2013, 12:25 AM said:

1 turn clockwise please, and influence. Colonise money planet.

[Galactic Council]

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 12:31 AM said:

Bananachar (D'rek),Oct 25 2013, 12:22 AM said:

Well, that decides my move easily enough.

Explore southeast of my homeworld (ie between mine and Khell's)

Character D'rek
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description r1t2 D'rek explore SE from HW to Sector III 22 available
http://orokos.com/roll/144995#
Results 1#1d22: 1 # 2 [1d22=2]

BI - 393 Geminga Pulsar

Bananachar (D'rek),Oct 25 2013, 12:34 AM said:

Fun!

I'll keep it. Place it with wormholes pointing NW, N, and SE.

Influence and colonize, please.

[D'rek]

Didn't Tatts already repost all this?

[Galactic Council]

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 12:36 AM said:

Sent Today, 10:35 AM
Explore South of Home World


Character Tatts
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description r1t2 Tatts explore sector II south from home world 4 tiles available
http://orokos.com/roll/144997#
Results 1#1d4: 1 # 2 [1d4=2]

205 Mu Herculis

Ganoes Paran, on 25 October 2013 - 08:22 AM, said:

Okay. Keep Hex. orientate so that one worm hole touches my home world, one towards tier 3 and one towards Gnaw hex 213.


Gnaw exchange ambassadors?


edit. if he accepts burn money cube

edit edit influence and colonise money planet

This post has been edited by Galactic Council: 25 October 2013 - 09:40 PM

[Galactic Council]

D, on 25 October 2013 - 09:28 PM, said:

Didn't Tatts already repost all this?

no idea. I decided to do it so I'd know what we did. I haven't read any posts made since the board came backk online. Except the one that was last when I logged in.

[Galactic Council]

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 01:30 AM said:

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 01:22 AM said:

what the hell. I'll do the sector I explore

Character Gnaw
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description r1t2 Gnaw Sector I double explore SE from 213. 7 tiles available
http://orokos.com/roll/145004#
Results
1#1d7: 1 # 7 [1d7=7]
1#1d6: 1 # 3 [1d6=3]

meh

108 Mu Cassiopeiae
104 Arcturus

Discard Arcturus



Influence and colonize money in grey. maybe science also thinking

[Galactic Council]

gnaw,Oct 25 2013, 05:44 AM said:

twelve,Oct 25 2013, 05:08 AM said:

Okay I think I get it now. Took a small power nap to shake the cobwebs from my brain.

Then in this case.

Explore NW of my homeworld in Tier III.

Character Twelve
Campaign gIV Malazan Empire Eclipse
Description r1t2 Twelve Sector III explore from NW of homeworld 21 available
http://orokos.com/roll/145077#
Results 1#1d21: 1 # 11 [1d21=11]


CJ == 304 Theta Pegasi




Keep or discard?

If kept, rotation is position 6 by default.

Influence?

Colonize?

twelve,Oct 25 2013, 05:50 AM said:

That's a keeper. Influence. Don't Colonize.... yet. (3$,2S,4M -2 Upkeep)