Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:
D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:
Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:
I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.
Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.
In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.
In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored
In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.
I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.
Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?
The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.
D, on 25 October 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:
Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:
D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:
Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:
I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.
Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.
In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.
In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored
In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.
I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.
Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?
The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.
I don't know what the actual rules are on this stuff. I'm fine with whatever method, I just didn't realize that's how it was working for tier 2 and not sure what is happening for tier 1.
Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:
Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:
D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:
Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:
I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.
Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.
In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.
In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored
In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.
I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.
Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?
The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.
The rules that apply are from page 5 of the original game:
Place the Sector hex tiles face down in three stacks, Inner (I), Middle (II) and Outer (III) sector hexes (according to the number of players) in separate stacks
In the original rules it only specifies building a deck of outer tiles
The expansion rule specify additionally building a deck of tier 2 tiles (and in fact I think it is 12 in all cases no matter how many players)
Nowhere does it say you build a deck of 6 tiles for the inner ring, which has always had 8 tiles available. Therefore discards in tier 1 are not automatically played.
If you want to change your move because of that, or change the rules, let us know.
Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 06:53 PM, said:
Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 06:25 PM, said:
Galactic Council, on 25 October 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:
D, on 25 October 2013 - 03:51 PM, said:
Imperial Historian, on 25 October 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:
I think gnaw must be mistakenly applying tier 3 and tier 2 logic to tier 1.
Tier 2 and 3 have defined size decks, when one is discarded it's placed in a discard pile, if all the deck is empty we go back to the discard pile.
In tier 3 this means any discarded hex, will still be available.
In tier 2, this means that any discarded hex is also going to have to be placed if all tier 2 hexes are explored
In tier 1 this is not the case, as there are always 8 hexes in the tier 1 deck, and 6 possible hexes, so discards don't necessarily come into play.
I think Gnaw might be assuming the double ancient will have to be played by someone else if he doesn't, so gives him an advantage, but that doesn't apply in tier 1.
Unless Gnaw is modding it so the tier 1 stack works the same as tier 2 and 3?
The Mod is applying the rules (from page 12 of the expansion book) to Tier 2 and Tier 3. I assumed that the rules were the same for Tier 1. If they are not please show me.
The rules that apply are from page 5 of the original game:
Place the Sector hex tiles face down in three stacks, Inner (I), Middle (II) and Outer (III) sector hexes (according to the number of players) in separate stacks
In the original rules it only specifies building a deck of outer tiles
The expansion rule specify additionally building a deck of tier 2 tiles (and in fact I think it is 12 in all cases no matter how many players)
Nowhere does it say you build a deck of 6 tiles for the inner ring, which has always had 8 tiles available. Therefore discards in tier 1 are not automatically played.
If you want to change your move because of that, or change the rules, let us know.
And yes, if that's the way the rules are in the rulebook, I want to change my move. As for changing the rule, I had already done that. Post 6
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