[tiam]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

IF HES NOT MAKING TOAST IN HIS FIRST SCENE I WILL BE TAKING THE BOOK BACK.

RE: pat

Spoiler

surely the dragons must precede the Andii (or the Tiste peoples as you say) otherwise they cannot appear in their legends. I hope that makes sense. Also the EG concept seems to be less and less elemental. They simply seem like old cult created gods which makes sense given what we know of Hood who could have become an Elder god. EG are older gods and simply elemental as the race they represent are more elemental. This makes sense as Ceda Cicero says in the fact that they are not yet elder but also that they are racial. Modern gods simply represent different facets of humanity as they are the utterly dominant race. As such they are bound to humanity and how fickle it s worship is. The theme of humanity being in control but not knowing it is prevalent throughout the series but EG are not tied to this worship as theres is the way of blood. It also makes sense as to why Olar Ethil is such a bitch, and caused Draconus to hate her with such a passion in TCG, as its hinted she was the main instigator of the Imass ritual thus binding her race to immortal and guaranteeing her own power.

[Slow Ben]

Why the hell do i keep reading this thread?!?!?

[Defiance]

Holy hell, spoilers sans spoiler tags. Time to disappear from the forum until the beginning of August.

[worry]

That's it, I quit the board, life, humanity, my gay cowboy lover, etc.

[End of Disc One]

Yeah that Malcalypse post was a bit much. That's an appearance I would have liked to have been surprised by.

I would say I'm leaving this thread but I know that won't happen.

[waylander001]

All sounds fantastic to me - the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited, as well as the insights provided by Pat and KFC about the setting and outlay of the book. So the Tiste peoples were one race - always on the cards! Mother Dark - good to know! Time-line inconsistencies - meh, whatever! HURRY THE FUCK UP August!!!!!!!!

[AnomanderRakeSoD]

So is vatha urusander the bloke who turns out to be FL? And is he Ossercs daddy?

[pat5150]

waylander001, on 18 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

All sounds fantastic to me - the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited, as well as the insights provided by Pat and KFC about the setting and outlay of the book. So the Tiste peoples were one race - always on the cards! Mother Dark - good to know! Time-line inconsistencies - meh, whatever! HURRY THE FUCK UP August!!!!!!!!

The timeline inconsistency that I alluded to -- if I'm right -- is a MAJOR screw-up. Checked the Malazan wiki and now I've contacted Hetan, for it appears that I am indeed right. So unless something occurs later in the book to prove me wrong, some fans are going to be grumbling...

If you guys could peruse the dramatis personae, I have a feeling that some of you would be foaming at the mouth! Quite a few surprises in store for you!

Patrick

[Malaclypse]

End of Disc One, on 18 July 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Yeah that Malcalypse post was a bit much. That's an appearance I would have liked to have been surprised by.

I would say I'm leaving this thread but I know that won't happen.

Oh please, wash out your very sandy vagina. If this sort of thing is that important to you, you need to discover the opposite sex right fucking now

[Hetan]

pat5150, on 18 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

waylander001, on 18 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

All sounds fantastic to me - the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited, as well as the insights provided by Pat and KFC about the setting and outlay of the book. So the Tiste peoples were one race - always on the cards! Mother Dark - good to know! Time-line inconsistencies - meh, whatever! HURRY THE FUCK UP August!!!!!!!!

The timeline inconsistency that I alluded to -- if I'm right -- is a MAJOR screw-up. Checked the Malazan wiki and now I've contacted Hetan, for it appears that I am indeed right. So unless something occurs later in the book to prove me wrong, some fans are going to be grumbling...

If you guys could peruse the dramatis personae, I have a feeling that some of you would be foaming at the mouth! Quite a few surprises in store for you!

Patrick

Steve is fully aware of this and is unmoved. Trust or do not trust

it's Mal btw

[End of Disc One]

Malaclypse, on 18 July 2012 - 11:58 PM, said:

End of Disc One, on 18 July 2012 - 08:34 PM, said:

Yeah that Malcalypse post was a bit much. That's an appearance I would have liked to have been surprised by.

I would say I'm leaving this thread but I know that won't happen.

Oh please, wash out your very sandy vagina. If this sort of thing is that important to you, you need to discover the opposite sex right fucking now

Is that an invitation?

[Abalieno]

waylander001, on 18 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited,

Have I missed something..?

[amphibian]

Abalieno, on 19 July 2012 - 12:18 AM, said:

Have I missed something..?

Nah, not really. Finish the main series. You're dawdling a bit.

[blackzoid]

Hetan, on 19 July 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

pat5150, on 18 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

waylander001, on 18 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

All sounds fantastic to me - the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited, as well as the insights provided by Pat and KFC about the setting and outlay of the book. So the Tiste peoples were one race - always on the cards! Mother Dark - good to know! Time-line inconsistencies - meh, whatever! HURRY THE FUCK UP August!!!!!!!!

The timeline inconsistency that I alluded to -- if I'm right -- is a MAJOR screw-up. Checked the Malazan wiki and now I've contacted Hetan, for it appears that I am indeed right. So unless something occurs later in the book to prove me wrong, some fans are going to be grumbling...

If you guys could peruse the dramatis personae, I have a feeling that some of you would be foaming at the mouth! Quite a few surprises in store for you!

Patrick

Steve is fully aware of this and is unmoved. Trust or do not trust

it's Mal btw

I hate to say it, but being unmoved by it, does not mean we should trust him. Steve may simply not care...
Remember what the preface said about those who expect lists of things. i took that as code for nitpickers.

[Abalieno]

amphibian, on 19 July 2012 - 01:29 AM, said:

Nah, not really. Finish the main series.

I'm not!

Erikson told me I can read The Forge of Darkness when it comes out

[James Hetfield]

Abelieno, I loved your reviews of the first six books, I think. You actually get Erikson's writing. Have you read past BH yet? If so, do you have a link to any more reviews??? Would love to get your impression of FoD.


Anywho, I still say Grizzen Farl is Quick Ben or Adeaphon Delat.

And KCF, how far along are you with FoD??? I really want to read a full review. Wondering if you will beat Pat to it.

Unless Mal or Hetan wanna give us one.....

[Kanese S's]

pat5150, on 18 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

waylander001, on 18 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

All sounds fantastic to me - the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited, as well as the insights provided by Pat and KFC about the setting and outlay of the book. So the Tiste peoples were one race - always on the cards! Mother Dark - good to know! Time-line inconsistencies - meh, whatever! HURRY THE FUCK UP August!!!!!!!!

The timeline inconsistency that I alluded to -- if I'm right -- is a MAJOR screw-up. Checked the Malazan wiki and now I've contacted Hetan, for it appears that I am indeed right. So unless something occurs later in the book to prove me wrong, some fans are going to be grumbling...

If you guys could peruse the dramatis personae, I have a feeling that some of you would be foaming at the mouth! Quite a few surprises in store for you!

Patrick

I will probably sigh at yet another timeline issue, but at this point, the timeline's already so wonky that I'm sure I'll end up ignoring it in the face of a good story anyway.

[Abalieno]

Personally "fully aware" is everything I'd ask.

But it depends if he was fully aware when he wrote the book or only after

[tiam]

blackzoid, on 19 July 2012 - 01:51 AM, said:

Hetan, on 19 July 2012 - 12:03 AM, said:

pat5150, on 18 July 2012 - 11:54 PM, said:

waylander001, on 18 July 2012 - 11:12 PM, said:

All sounds fantastic to me - the teaser about Burns Hammer-man has got me very excited, as well as the insights provided by Pat and KFC about the setting and outlay of the book. So the Tiste peoples were one race - always on the cards! Mother Dark - good to know! Time-line inconsistencies - meh, whatever! HURRY THE FUCK UP August!!!!!!!!

The timeline inconsistency that I alluded to -- if I'm right -- is a MAJOR screw-up. Checked the Malazan wiki and now I've contacted Hetan, for it appears that I am indeed right. So unless something occurs later in the book to prove me wrong, some fans are going to be grumbling...

If you guys could peruse the dramatis personae, I have a feeling that some of you would be foaming at the mouth! Quite a few surprises in store for you!

Patrick

Steve is fully aware of this and is unmoved. Trust or do not trust

it's Mal btw

I hate to say it, but being unmoved by it, does not mean we should trust him. Steve may simply not care...
Remember what the preface said about those who expect lists of things. i took that as code for nitpickers.

This. He doesn't care along as tells a good story. We knew that in TTH when Harllo the Destroyer turned up around 4 years too early. It will undoubtedly annoy me and makes me think he was throwing in tantalising references throughout the main arc as nothing more than fodder. Then when it comes down to it and he has to address it he can't quite get it all together. Theres a thread in the movies forum that complains that the creators of Lost and BSG were just making it up as they went along and while SE isn't quite doing that, I think there is an element of that. No doubt any questioning of inconsistencies or timeline will have the SE defenders out in force claiming all history is distorted etc when really they're just slip ups from the author. I simply hope this isn't like OST where the main activity n the forum was what we all didn't like about it and a discussion of all the timeline inconsistencies.

I still have hope

EDIT- RE spoilers the majority of these are simply in the DP and are probably not brutal spoilers. Any real surprise visits in the book will not be in the DP and will simply appear like the main arc.

This post has been edited by Jean-Claude Van tiam: 19 July 2012 - 08:43 AM

[Abalieno]

A small diversion. Thinking about the protean mythology I started thinking about how Fiddler plays with the deck of dragons and how they invented the rules on the fly. Then I remembered this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic

Then I read the first page of "Fishin’ with Grandma Matchie" and it seems to read like the first page of FoD that Malaclypse gave us... or maybe it's my interpretations that are always askew.

Quote

BEHOLD!

In the Olden Days they used to have Jesters. Jesters talked about Plain Things as if those things were fat and skinny and tall and short. But sometimes the Jesters made those things too fat or too skinny or too tall or too short, and then they were bad and Not to be Tolerated, and then the king would stick them in a corner and make them wear a Dunce Cap.

Now, the corner is a funny place. You stare at the walls where they meet, and you begin to understand the importance of the Bigness of Things. And it all starts Making Sense. This is the place where children who are Not Yet Considered Adults go, when kings and teachers get all fretful about children with Overwrought Imaginations.

You see, when you're sitting there with your feet not even touching the floor, you stare at those walls where they meet and you know you can't fit between them because there's no crack. And that's when you suddenize that no matter how small you are, you're never small enough.

Which is just what the kings and teachers want you to suddenize.

(the first line is actually the first line from "The Wurms of Blearmouth".)