[Brujah]

Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 15 April 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

May I ask how you think QB won, last year?

Because Quick Ben won last year. He's the 2011 Suvudu Cage Match Final Champion.

http://sf-fantasy.su...-quick-ben.html

[Ulrik]

He means that QB won because of his cunning...which means dedicated team of us voting from dozens of diefferent IPs. Hell, I once ran through all computers in our university (well, not professors, there are boundaries). So straightly - he won, because he is slippery cheater.

Its just popularity contest. Nothing more. Dont take it too seriously. I bet, all of those heroes would fall to justin bieber.

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

No no...I'm well aware that he won, I'm asking how you think it was that he managed to win?

[Brujah]

Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 15 April 2012 - 12:12 PM, said:

No no...I'm well aware that he won, I'm asking how you think it was that he managed to win?

Ah. Well Im unfamliar with his opponent. So was it a case of Quick standing no chance? Was he completely and utterly outmatched by his adversary?

It had to be closer than what a battle between Moraine and Anomander would be. Rake would have ended the fight with one flick of his sword, ending it literally in seconds. That or ripping her apart in Dragon form, or unleashing Kurald Gulain, etc.

Its just that Moraine isnt even one of the most powerful characters in Wheel of Time. She wouldnt even rank in the top 50 in her own realm alone. While Quick Ben is capable of at least holding his own against many devestatingly powerful foes.

Dont under estimate Quick. Even if he won by popularity contest, I still have faith that he might have truly won.


EDIT: I checked out Quicks opponent and its Vin, the chick from Mistborn. A Brandon Sanderson novel. Wheel of Time fans also love Sanderson because he helped finish writing the rest of the series after Robert Jordans death. So I stand by the fact that Quick would have won. So every one who voted for Quick Ben did so with clear conscious. This is contrary to all those voting for Moraine because she stood no chance. Thats the point im making. So no your observation on how Quick won isnt the same.

This post has been edited by Brujah: 15 April 2012 - 12:32 PM

[Loki]

Yeah, Jade. Don't underestimate Quick Ben

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

I would never underestimate him. I will just leave this here, though, in all it's gloriousness:

 suvuducagematchresult.jpg (34.39K)
Number of downloads: 4


I want to say, though, that regardless of the intention of the match, people will come along and vote for who they know, who they like, and who they'd want to see in the final. I would say that the people who try to vote based purely on the characters' traits, for a true 'who would win' outcome are in the minority.

Everyone who voted for Rake did a good job and we did the best that we could. Moiraine has a LOT of fans, however, and regardless of whether or not it was a completely fair win, they seem to have put quite a bit of effort into it so I say well done to them. At least we lost to a good character.

[Brujah]

The Hidden Truth behind the Fall of the Son of Darkness:

Moraine defeats Anomander Rake in the 2012 Suvudu Cage Match.

Although STRICTLY IMPOSSIBLE, somehow Moraine comes out on top.


Anomander Rake is one of those rare characters that deserves to be known across all realms. One of the coolest characters of all time, if not the coolest.



The Hidden Truth and The last thoughts of an immortal.

....and as Anomander faces down Moraine, he knows that he could kill her with ease. All too terrible ease. And then he feels the crushing weight of such power baring down on his extremely worn soul. For after hundeds of thousands of years of life, he felt as if he were stretched too thin. But he'd held on and learned to love the frailty of mortal men with their all too short lives, as well as his brothers and sisters for whom time stretched on forever. He also understood that the rules dictating the extremely odd circumstances surrounding the upcoming battle with this Woman from another realm would only allow for one to live. One had to die.
And there lies the problem. He admitted he did not want to die, but he had sensed something in his opponent. No mere mortal. She possessed an inner light that in what he had already determined was going to be his last living moments was one of the most beautiful things he'd ever seen. She was a kindred spirit. She too would one day make the same choice he was about to make. This made it all feel right. Sacrifice. The most potent weapon against the agents of Chaos that writhe through the universe with the single purpose of destroying........everything. Forever.
And Anomander also knew that all worlds and realms were linked. It was common knowledge among the ancients. And that if one were to fall, then the rest were soon to follow.
Therefore with his great wisdom, unyielding patience, and infinite love and compassion for every living creature, he allowed himself to be killed instead of taking this woman's life.
For those of the womans vast world whom can see such distant things, as well as Anomander, all know that she is critical to the saving of her world. For she must be there as The Dragon Reborn, Lord of the Morning, Rand al'Thor makes his final stand against the Dark One himself, her realms manifistation of the same Chaos that gnaws at the frayed edges that link all realms. But nothing is assured. Failure is still possible. But a chance is a chance. Because if they fail, it will not only mean the death of a world, but the unraveling of time itself.

"There is no struggle too vast, no odds too overwhelming, for even should we fail — should we fall — we will know that we have lived."
― Anomander Rake, Son of Darkness



REST IN PEACE.

FOR NOW.

[D'rek]

Brujah, on 15 April 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

People who don't know both characters shouldn't vote.

Brujah, on 15 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well Im unfamliar with his opponent.

So you didn't vote for Quick last year, right? You were unfaimilar with Vin and abstained, yes? Because you seem pretty sure that Quick would win no matter who his opponent is, when you are unfamiliar with Vin... and then you say people who don't know both shouldn't vote, so...

[Brujah]

D, on 15 April 2012 - 02:29 PM, said:

Brujah, on 15 April 2012 - 12:36 AM, said:

People who don't know both characters shouldn't vote.

Brujah, on 15 April 2012 - 12:26 PM, said:

Well Im unfamliar with his opponent.

So you didn't vote for Quick last year, right? You were unfaimilar with Vin and abstained, yes? Because you seem pretty sure that Quick would win no matter who his opponent is, when you are unfamiliar with Vin... and then you say people who don't know both shouldn't vote, so...

Right. I didnt vote for Ben last year. I wasnt even aware of the website until recently.

Also I need to clarify what I meant when I said I was unfamiliar with his opponent. What I meant was I didnt even look to see who it was. I was depending on the readers to back up my assumption that whoever it was, I doubt it was such a huge margin of power as was Rake over Moraine. Which was also correct.

Then if you read the EDIT I made in that post it says "Oh its V from Mistborn by Sanderson. Ive read Mistborn Trilogy, Warbreaker, Elantris, and Sanders newest endevour Way of Kings which is actually completely amazing. I hated all the others outside Kings. Sanderson also finished the Wheel of Time series for the late Robert Jordan, and has done an amazing job so far. Indeed its his finishing of WoT that most of us even decided to read his own works.

So I hope Ive adequately answered your attempted, yet miserably failed attempt to try to prove me some kind of hypocrit.

Indeed I did not vote last year, and yes ive read both series involved so I would have felt quite comfortable doing so under the tenants Ive laid out in which one should be familiar with both characters had I done so, either way.

But I do thank you for the opportunity to make myself clear.

[Terez]

Quick Ben would have lost long before the finals if we hadn't cheated our asses off last year.

[Kanese S's]

It's all about voting strategically.

On many different IP's. For hours at a time.

[D'rek]

I wasn't trying to prove you a hypocrite or any such, just checking your consistency.

Anyways, Moiraine could easily have balefired Rake with a ton of magic using her angreal and the 3rd-strongest sa'angreal for victory. Rake could likewise have squashed her with a giant wave of Starvald Demelain. The circumstances of their encounter could occur in different ways, some where Moiraine gets the first shot off, and some where Rake does, so either of them could have legitimately beaten the other.

[Siergiej]

But what's wrong with Rake losing? It's just an Internet poll, it's not like there is going to be entry in Britannica saying:

Anomander Rake - guy who got his ass handed to a character from Wheel of Time.

[Brujah]

Terez, on 15 April 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Quick Ben would have lost long before the finals if we hadn't cheated our asses off last year.

I havent even seen the brackets for last year. Who would he have lost to?

[Brujah]

Siergiej, on 15 April 2012 - 11:02 PM, said:

But what's wrong with Rake losing? It's just an Internet poll, it's not like there is going to be entry in Britannica saying:

Anomander Rake - guy who got his ass handed to a character from Wheel of Time.

Nothing is wrong.
What's wrong with us stating that we think Anomander would beat Moraine in a fight?
Just having fun.

[Brujah]

D, on 15 April 2012 - 10:30 PM, said:

I wasn't trying to prove you a hypocrite or any such, just checking your consistency.

Anyways, Moiraine could easily have balefired Rake with a ton of magic using her angreal and the 3rd-strongest sa'angreal for victory. Rake could likewise have squashed her with a giant wave of Starvald Demelain. The circumstances of their encounter could occur in different ways, some where Moiraine gets the first shot off, and some where Rake does, so either of them could have legitimately beaten the other.

I disagree. I think that once the battle began, Rake would EASILY dispatch Moraine in seconds. My only real gripe isnt that Anomander lost. Its mostly because I dont think it would have even been close.
A flick of his sword faster than she could register. Swooping down in dragon form and unleashing Kurald Gurain in a fiery spray that would destroy any offensive and defensive weaves she had in motion, then just crunching her skull between his teeth.


BUT. I do understand your argument. It is all theory. So if you think she can win the she can win.

All fun and games.

Especially sinse Ive been a WoT fan even longer than a Malazan fan. And a member of Dragonmount.com. So its not like Im a WoT hater. WoT and Malazan are the two greatest series ever, IMO.

I just think that Anomander is the ONLY character from Malazan that they shouldnt even include in the battle. Hes sacred. Use anyone else. Hes the ONLY guy that would just totally DOMINATE all. I dont even think Rand al'Thor, The Dragon Reborn, Lord of the Morning himself could even beat Anomander. They should have put Rake in the season that Rand alThor won, if they were gonna use him. Also, I havent been following these cage matches. Just a bit here recently. Do they not try to load the field with characters of at least someone matching skill levels each year? If not, maybe they should.

And to clear up my posts on Quick Ben winnning last year, I wasnt trying to imply he won without help and/or popularity. I only meant to say that since Rake was down, at least we have Ben as a Champion representing Malazan.

Lastly, apologies to anyone I may have insulted, and in general if this all came across the wrong way. Its all in good fun. Stirring up debate. Something to do.

[Brujah]

Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast, on 15 April 2012 - 12:44 PM, said:

suvuducagematchresult.jpg


I want to say, though, that regardless of the intention of the match, people will come along and vote for who they know, who they like, and who they'd want to see in the final. I would say that the people who try to vote based purely on the characters' traits, for a true 'who would win' outcome are in the minority.

Everyone who voted for Rake did a good job and we did the best that we could. Moiraine has a LOT of fans, however, and regardless of whether or not it was a completely fair win, they seem to have put quite a bit of effort into it so I say well done to them. At least we lost to a good character.

I can see Moraine getting so many votes. Theres a TON of Wheel of Time fans, and Moraine is probably the most famous Aes Sedai in the series. But why Vin? Vin received almost half the votes. And I dont even really like the series she comes from, Mistborn. Having been written by Brandon Sanderson is more than likely the reason where the bulk, even up to as much as 90 percent, of the votes came from. Before Sanderson started working on WoT, most of his works had very little following. But I will hand it to him. He has done an amazing job with Wheel of Time, especially with the bar having been set so high. Jordan is greatest fantasy author of all time, imo. BUT I still give the edge to Malazan as best series. Sanderson wrote Warbreaker and Elantris. Both horrible. BUT his latest book, Way of Kings, is outstanding. It could be a series that makes its way up into the realm of the WoTs and Malazans of the world.


Sorry, I rambled on. Back to Vin. Her entire following was almost all WoT fans Im sure. I really dont get into the whole coin magic system, and metals and whatnot. So, Im glad that Ben....as a certain malazan marine might say....broke his dick off in her ass.

[Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast]

Brujah, on 16 April 2012 - 10:27 AM, said:

Terez, on 15 April 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Quick Ben would have lost long before the finals if we hadn't cheated our asses off last year.

I havent even seen the brackets for last year. Who would he have lost to?

There was barely a round in the match that he wouldn't have lost if it hadn't been for us.

The WoT fans were voting for Vin because they didn't want us to win. We cheated the shit out of the round and won purely by the effort and persistence of a small group of us. QB wouldn't have won otherwise and Rake lost because we were, quite simply, outnumbered.

How do you think Zaphod Beeblebrox got through the first few rounds?

[Loki]

Pfft. Internet polls are so important.....oh wait

[Loki]

Shhhhh! Jade! Operation Gargle-Blaster is SECRET...ah, what the hell XD