[Aptorian]

Stupid Watergate rears its head again.

[worry]

The thing is, the original Watergate was already pretty stupid. This whole thing being so much stupider is just a byproduct of GOP rot, which directly led to Trump. At the same time, Obdi is absolutely correct that, unlike Nixon, DJT has all of the legislative, cultural, and media infrastructure developed in the past 45 years since Nixon to prevent that corruption from ever facing consequences again. But DJT is so stupid and so corrupt that he might even break that. At bird's eye view, it's kinda funny to see these two GOP projects come to a head, hopefully destroying each other. (Funny till you get to the judicial legacy of this admin, that is, which will outlast Trump and maybe even the GOP itself).

[QuickTidal]

Seen on Reddit:

So Trump and Barr potentially committed impeachable offenses by trying to discredit a report that Trump claims totally exonerated him. This really is Stupid Watergate.

I mean....yeah. It really is.

[Mentalist]

so, uhh... why is Trump trying to blackmail Ukraine into digging up dirt on one of his least popular potential opponents?

That strikes me as not very efficient.

Not to mention that the GPU (General Prosecutor's office of Ukraine) is a hotbed of corruption and one of the least trusted institutions in the country.

If they're refusing to do a character assassination investigation, my gut feeling is the GoP are being cheapskates.

[Garak]

Because it's Trump. Sanity and logic have been abandoned long ago.

In a hundred years (if we don't blow ourselves up) people will read the history books and think: No one could be this stupid. This has to be slander - winners writing the story and all that.

But no. This is real. 2016 marked the beginning of major idiocy (Trump, Brexit, PSD in my country etc.)

[Mentalist]

Garak, on 02 October 2019 - 11:10 AM, said:

Because it's Trump. Sanity and logic have been abandoned long ago.

In a hundred years (if we don't blow ourselves up) people will read the history books and think: No one could be this stupid. This has to be slander - winners writing the story and all that.

But no. This is real. 2016 marked the beginning of major idiocy (Trump, Brexit, PSD in my country etc.)

You are presuming that common sense will eventually prevail, and they won't be the winners writing the history books.

I wish I could say I shared your optimism.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yah I'm rooting for the blowing ourselves up option.

[Tsundoku]

That's cute. You're assuming in a generation people will be literate enough to write history books.

[Macros]

They will remember when the UN defeated the nazi dinosaurs, love money and sex and know that water comes from a toilet

[Garak]

Well the other option is these idiots manage to kill everyone so no one will be reading history then. Other than the cockroaches that inherit the place.

[Nicodimas]

Cause, on 30 September 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 30 September 2019 - 09:00 PM, said:

Cause, on 30 September 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 30 September 2019 - 06:47 PM, said:

Ukraine-gate , Russiagate 2.0?

https://kunstler.com...n/civil-war-on/

I like that Kunstler points out the wording of the treaty and asks the very simple question on the basis of why is this a issue ?

Are you being a troll?

In any event any website that uses that combination of font and background was clearly made by a psychopath.

That’s the best you got? Of course he cares if there is American treachery going on abroad he is trying to clean the swamp right ? He has to investigate these matters to make sure Americans and politicians aren’t acting illegally abroad. Now granted this creates a bit of a power argument ...

However I really fail to see how this line of inquiry is going to end well for the Democrats. /popcorn let’s see where this goes !

( I guess it goes never interrupt your enemy as they destroy themselves)

http://dcwhispers.co...ecuting-crimes/

Against my better judgment Ill play. Just this once.

As far as I can tell its a uniquely american phenomenon where people believe the american government is at war with itself in the shadows. I find it hard to lend credence to the idea that the CIA is masterminding the takedown of Donald Trump. Easier to just shoot him I would guess. Still I guess I am one of the rubes that the CIA is fooling. Moreover this conspiracy requires the tacit involvement of the fbi as well? It also involves a Russian expat who is anti russian? This is bad from an american point of view why?

Now where the thread becomes too tenuous to follow is this. Crowdstrike is owned by the russian expat. The DNC asked crowdstrike to investigate their server hack. The FBI got to investigate the server image, a perfect copy of the server logs, in computer terms their is no difference. Because the Expat knows a Ukrainian we now believe the server is kept in Ukraine. Got it. So the president doesn't call on the FBI or cia (they are the enemies in the shadow war) or his state department (possible traitors?) no he taps his personal lawyer to go to ukraine and investigate this. The former attorney general of ukraine is now on record as saying he repeatedly had to tell Rudy he cant investigate biden, because he cant find any evidence of his wrongdoing. Now trump withholds 400 million dollars of military aid to Ukraine and ask for assistance as the treaty allows him to (nothing funny here). Do we believe trump has ever read this treaty? two years ago in interviews he didnt know what or where the ukraine was.

Now maybe Biden was just too clever. He very publicly, and publicly boasted about iy, removed an ukranian prosecutor (who was never investigating his son). He clevelrly got the UN, the british, and many ukranians to ask him to gelp in this endevour too. I mean thats crafty!

I think this whole thing seems really dumb looking at some of the facts...

http://www.g-a-i.org...iden-Report.pdf
https://www.foxnews....014-photo-shows

[Slow Ben]

"Facts"

[Nicodimas]

Well It doesn’t take a genius to look at American foreign policy and politicians. If we looked I bet we would find a redic amount of looting and profiteering by politicians and families , some done legally , but some is quite corrupt.

Laws at that level favor the powerful as a way for things to be done by the powerful to the weaker. Everyone’s got to be able to connect the dots on political appointments which result in massive profits.

That’s why the democrats are jumping on this as it uncovers crimes. A hornets nest indeed. A powder keg .. uncertain.

Trumps counterattack on this is going to be epic for sure. He might just try to fry them..... guess we will see

@ cause: we should be wondering why the alphabet agencies seem just so political these days. To me that is the biggest indicator of the deep state.

[Vengeance]

Nicodimas, on 02 October 2019 - 06:36 PM, said:

Well It doesn’t take a genius to look at American foreign policy and politicians. If we looked I bet we would find a redic amount of looting and profiteering by politicians and families , some done legally , but some is quite corrupt.

Laws at that level favor the powerful as a way for things to be done by the powerful to the weaker. Everyone’s got to be able to connect the dots on political appointments which result in massive profits.

That’s why the democrats are jumping on this as it uncovers crimes. A hornets nest indeed. A powder keg .. uncertain.

Trumps counterattack on this is going to be epic for sure. He might just try to fry them..... guess we will see

@ cause: we should be wondering why the alphabet agencies seem just so political these days. To me that is the biggest indicator of the deep state.

Whatever happened to Trumps Best Friend for years.... Jeff...umm... Jeff.... Jeffy E.... Jeff Epstein. Deep state is republican for other people who use the law and logic to conduct themselves. As opposed to what every goes through Trumps head.

[worry]

Edit: Looks like a journalist heard wrong. https://twitter.com/...475749952249856

This post has been edited by worry: 02 October 2019 - 08:34 PM

[Cause]

Nicodimas, on 02 October 2019 - 05:08 PM, said:

Cause, on 30 September 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 30 September 2019 - 09:00 PM, said:

Cause, on 30 September 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 30 September 2019 - 06:47 PM, said:

Ukraine-gate , Russiagate 2.0?

https://kunstler.com...n/civil-war-on/

I like that Kunstler points out the wording of the treaty and asks the very simple question on the basis of why is this a issue ?

Are you being a troll?

In any event any website that uses that combination of font and background was clearly made by a psychopath.

That’s the best you got? Of course he cares if there is American treachery going on abroad he is trying to clean the swamp right ? He has to investigate these matters to make sure Americans and politicians aren’t acting illegally abroad. Now granted this creates a bit of a power argument ...

However I really fail to see how this line of inquiry is going to end well for the Democrats. /popcorn let’s see where this goes !

( I guess it goes never interrupt your enemy as they destroy themselves)

http://dcwhispers.co...ecuting-crimes/

Against my better judgment Ill play. Just this once.

As far as I can tell its a uniquely american phenomenon where people believe the american government is at war with itself in the shadows. I find it hard to lend credence to the idea that the CIA is masterminding the takedown of Donald Trump. Easier to just shoot him I would guess. Still I guess I am one of the rubes that the CIA is fooling. Moreover this conspiracy requires the tacit involvement of the fbi as well? It also involves a Russian expat who is anti russian? This is bad from an american point of view why?

Now where the thread becomes too tenuous to follow is this. Crowdstrike is owned by the russian expat. The DNC asked crowdstrike to investigate their server hack. The FBI got to investigate the server image, a perfect copy of the server logs, in computer terms their is no difference. Because the Expat knows a Ukrainian we now believe the server is kept in Ukraine. Got it. So the president doesn't call on the FBI or cia (they are the enemies in the shadow war) or his state department (possible traitors?) no he taps his personal lawyer to go to ukraine and investigate this. The former attorney general of ukraine is now on record as saying he repeatedly had to tell Rudy he cant investigate biden, because he cant find any evidence of his wrongdoing. Now trump withholds 400 million dollars of military aid to Ukraine and ask for assistance as the treaty allows him to (nothing funny here). Do we believe trump has ever read this treaty? two years ago in interviews he didnt know what or where the ukraine was.

Now maybe Biden was just too clever. He very publicly, and publicly boasted about iy, removed an ukranian prosecutor (who was never investigating his son). He clevelrly got the UN, the british, and many ukranians to ask him to gelp in this endevour too. I mean thats crafty!

I think this whole thing seems really dumb looking at some of the facts...

http://www.g-a-i.org...iden-Report.pdf
https://www.foxnews....014-photo-shows

https://en.wikipedia...ility_Institute

[Primateus]

Cause, on 02 October 2019 - 09:53 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 02 October 2019 - 05:08 PM, said:

Cause, on 30 September 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 30 September 2019 - 09:00 PM, said:

Cause, on 30 September 2019 - 07:33 PM, said:

Nicodimas, on 30 September 2019 - 06:47 PM, said:

Ukraine-gate , Russiagate 2.0?

https://kunstler.com...n/civil-war-on/

I like that Kunstler points out the wording of the treaty and asks the very simple question on the basis of why is this a issue ?

Are you being a troll?

In any event any website that uses that combination of font and background was clearly made by a psychopath.

That's the best you got? Of course he cares if there is American treachery going on abroad he is trying to clean the swamp right ? He has to investigate these matters to make sure Americans and politicians aren't acting illegally abroad. Now granted this creates a bit of a power argument ...

However I really fail to see how this line of inquiry is going to end well for the Democrats. /popcorn let's see where this goes !

( I guess it goes never interrupt your enemy as they destroy themselves)

http://dcwhispers.co...ecuting-crimes/

Against my better judgment Ill play. Just this once.

As far as I can tell its a uniquely american phenomenon where people believe the american government is at war with itself in the shadows. I find it hard to lend credence to the idea that the CIA is masterminding the takedown of Donald Trump. Easier to just shoot him I would guess. Still I guess I am one of the rubes that the CIA is fooling. Moreover this conspiracy requires the tacit involvement of the fbi as well? It also involves a Russian expat who is anti russian? This is bad from an american point of view why?

Now where the thread becomes too tenuous to follow is this. Crowdstrike is owned by the russian expat. The DNC asked crowdstrike to investigate their server hack. The FBI got to investigate the server image, a perfect copy of the server logs, in computer terms their is no difference. Because the Expat knows a Ukrainian we now believe the server is kept in Ukraine. Got it. So the president doesn't call on the FBI or cia (they are the enemies in the shadow war) or his state department (possible traitors?) no he taps his personal lawyer to go to ukraine and investigate this. The former attorney general of ukraine is now on record as saying he repeatedly had to tell Rudy he cant investigate biden, because he cant find any evidence of his wrongdoing. Now trump withholds 400 million dollars of military aid to Ukraine and ask for assistance as the treaty allows him to (nothing funny here). Do we believe trump has ever read this treaty? two years ago in interviews he didnt know what or where the ukraine was.

Now maybe Biden was just too clever. He very publicly, and publicly boasted about iy, removed an ukranian prosecutor (who was never investigating his son). He clevelrly got the UN, the british, and many ukranians to ask him to gelp in this endevour too. I mean thats crafty!

I think this whole thing seems really dumb looking at some of the facts...

http://www.g-a-i.org...iden-Report.pdf
https://www.foxnews....014-photo-shows

https://en.wikipedia...ility_Institute

Yeah, that totally sounds like a trustworthy source...

[Morgoth]

Trump is acting even more insane on twitter than usual.

[Garak]

Oh? What's he ranting about now? Did someone steal his sweet roll?

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Garak, on 03 October 2019 - 02:04 PM, said:

Oh? What's he ranting about now? Did someone steal his sweet roll?

Close:

'Schiff is a lowlife who should resign (at least!).

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