[Gust Hubb]

Ok, I'm much more calm this morning. So I apologize for being such a cult-monger. I wanted to keep an open mind since there was so much confusion over what seemed to be (and apparently isn't) a straight forward OP and game. Since I wasn't the only one confused, I was trying to devil's advocate some concerns I had out of concern that if someone missed this or that detail we'd be in deep shit by the time we realized our error. Also, at the time, only Venge and maybe one other were wailing against cult, and to someone who was worried, that smacked of scum hiding a key detail.

Again sorry to seem like I was distracting from the game (please, in my defense do note that I have been trying to help devise a method to play this game, so I am not actively trying to sabotage things. I just don't want to miss something and be screwed over in the end).

That being said, I'm glad HO posted finally. I like the summary and agree that we should give the FKs one more day, see what they do, and then hopefully at least get one of them to reveal so as to lower the voting pool and get some advice.

As for false reveals, this is why we may want both FKs to come clean at the same time. If we do have only one active scum and they try to mess up the FK reveal, we have a brief delay, let the FKs either argue amongst themselves or more usefully "find" themselves and if MH is silly enough to put himself into that situation we have 1 kill to start with and the offending scum is out of the game leaving us two bona-fide finders (who are immune to recruitment and can help guide us through the game).

I still don't see any issue having the FK reveal on this day, but I am willing to wait till tomorrow. Btw, just since no one has mentioned it, but if we try to guess who is scum today, we have a higher likelihood of hitting a finder (who would also want to lay low and preserve themselves) than MH. Let's just wait one more day, and go from there. Then the finders (if they don't over lap their finds) will know a total of 4 people who are cleared of being MH and if the finders then reveal, we have 6 safe members until MH is killed for the first time.

[Gust Hubb]

Oh, and for consistencies sake with what I said, I guess I should

Remove Vote

[Tattersail_]

how long do we have left in the day?

[Grief]

I think about 2 and a half hours.

I'm going to

Vote Twelve

I haven't liked his play from the start, and can't see a different lynch happening.

Also, after Ment accused me of not making waves, I took a little look back to see who has been under the radar. Ment himself is one of the worst offenders. He has a lot of posts, but his posts are short, and lack content. Most of them aren't really game relevant, and when he is posting something relevant to the game, it is usually just agreeing with others, saying something that's already been said, or saying something but not backing it up at all. Some of Shins posts caught my eye for being jokey-padding, but he has also posted a good amount of content. There are a few others that haven't posted too much, but what stands out about Ment is that he has a fairly high number of posts, without actually having having added much.

[twelve]

Tattersail, on 15 July 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

I agree, I think one of the finders should investigate Tweleve just to be sure he isn't playing us. I am going to look at Kurt and HO and see what they have had to offer us.

Bring it on!!! I would love to get the issue resolved once and for all and get this game moving forward.

[twelve]

Roldom, on 15 July 2011 - 07:44 AM, said:

with no night kills and the the generals being immune to recruitment before they use there 3rd kill, i dont see what the risk is to the FK, after the first (or at most the 2nd night after) night they have revealed and they can check each other we willknow who is the real FKs

after that, whats the problem? they are in no danger, and can really cut back on our list of potential suspects

Thank you Roldom!!!!

[Tattersail_]

We need to lynch whether or not it could be wrong and if time is running out we need to get the votes in now, what do you think of Kurt, Grief?

[twelve]

Mentalist, on 15 July 2011 - 12:00 PM, said:

I don't have a problem with the finders revealing to narrow the suspect pool. I don't think they should share any info on who they find though, b/c it will lead to wifom. and if they get it right, well, the results will be self-evident.

Are you mental? (Pun not intended) What good is having the finders reveal themselves yet don't reveal who they have put finds on? Your suggestion creates nothing but WIFOM.

Granted town cannot trust finders until they have proven themselves. But that can be done in one night when they put finds on each other. But they have to reveal to do that. Once they have been proven to be the true finders they cannot be a suspect agan as long as they are sitting on a kill. Suspect pool down 2 players bam! just like that. How can finders revealing who they are and who they have done finds on after they are proven finders be a bad thing?

[twelve]

Grief, on 15 July 2011 - 02:32 PM, said:

I think about 2 and a half hours.

I'm going to

Vote Twelve

I haven't liked his play from the start, and can't see a different lynch happening.

Also, after Ment accused me of not making waves, I took a little look back to see who has been under the radar. Ment himself is one of the worst offenders. He has a lot of posts, but his posts are short, and lack content. Most of them aren't really game relevant, and when he is posting something relevant to the game, it is usually just agreeing with others, saying something that's already been said, or saying something but not backing it up at all. Some of Shins posts caught my eye for being jokey-padding, but he has also posted a good amount of content. There are a few others that haven't posted too much, but what stands out about Ment is that he has a fairly high number of posts, without actually having having added much.

That stood out to me as well and if I was going to vote for someone it most likely would be him. However I'm firmly in the belief that we need a coordinated effort from the finders and town to take down scum. So my vote for night stays put.

[Grief]

Tattersail, on 15 July 2011 - 02:46 PM, said:

We need to lynch whether or not it could be wrong and if time is running out we need to get the votes in now, what do you think of Kurt, Grief?

Haven't got much of a read on him. Hasn't posted much but most of what he has posted seems reasonable enough is my general impression.

[Tattersail_]

i posted his posts before, how can you say he has been reasonable?

[Gust Hubb]

i know you have played with him before, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this Kurt to last games Anthrax. Two entirely different styles

[Tattersail_]

at least 5 of us are around maybe 6 can we not get a lynch between us?

[Tattersail_]

an hour at most left I think.

[Grief]

He doesn't have much content, but nothing he's posted has really rang any warning bells, I can see where most of it is coming from.

To me, he presents the typical problem there is with low posters, in that there just isn't much to go on. He could be accused of post-padding. Ment seems scummier to me.

[Roldom]

theres no one really who i feel like voting for, with this game i dont think there ever will be, its going to just tend up us lynching whoever already has votes

im still happy with my vote for vengy, but im pretty sure its not going anywhere so ill probably change it if needed.

though id be much happier voting once the FKS have come out and said who they are and who they did the find on last night

[Tattersail_]

Okay fair enough. People have disappeared again. I don't want to vote Twelve and he looks like the only viable lynch.

[Tattersail_]

Vote Twelve

We need a lynch but I don't think we'll get one.

[HiddenOne]

Gust Hubb, on 15 July 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

i know you have played with him before, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this Kurt to last games Anthrax. Two entirely different styles

You play differently each time, everybody does.

[ansible]

Vote twelve

I'll try to be back before timeout but I may not be. I think it's important to lynch because otherwise we're just sitting with our dicks in our hands waiting for the finders to do something. That, plus all the other reasons stated by me and others...