[Kurt Montandon]

Gust Hubb, on 15 July 2011 - 03:09 PM, said:

i know you have played with him before, but I'm having a hard time reconciling this Kurt to last games Anthrax. Two entirely different styles

I can't remember if I've ever played alt-less before. I think it's really affecting my game-play.

That, and I'm kind of busy right now.

[Kurt Montandon]

Also, if twelve's been all over the place, it's not just him we're surprisingly in the dark for a game with what should be simple mechanics.

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 1 hour and 29 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: ansible, Grief, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Kurt Montandon, Mentalist, Roldom, Shinrei, Tattersail, twelve, Vengeance

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

5 Votes for twelve ( Vengeance, Khellendros, Grief, Tattersail, ansible )
1 Vote for Vengeance ( Roldom )
1 Vote for Grief ( Mentalist )
2 Votes for Night ( twelve, Shinrei )

Players not voted: Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Kurt Montandon

[Khellendros]

Gust Hubb, on 15 July 2011 - 01:17 PM, said:

Ok, I'm much more calm this morning. So I apologize for being such a cult-monger. I wanted to keep an open mind since there was so much confusion over what seemed to be (and apparently isn't) a straight forward OP and game. Since I wasn't the only one confused, I was trying to devil's advocate some concerns I had out of concern that if someone missed this or that detail we'd be in deep shit by the time we realized our error. Also, at the time, only Venge and maybe one other were wailing against cult, and to someone who was worried, that smacked of scum hiding a key detail.

Again sorry to seem like I was distracting from the game (please, in my defense do note that I have been trying to help devise a method to play this game, so I am not actively trying to sabotage things. I just don't want to miss something and be screwed over in the end).

That being said, I'm glad HO posted finally. I like the summary and agree that we should give the FKs one more day, see what they do, and then hopefully at least get one of them to reveal so as to lower the voting pool and get some advice.

As for false reveals, this is why we may want both FKs to come clean at the same time. If we do have only one active scum and they try to mess up the FK reveal, we have a brief delay, let the FKs either argue amongst themselves or more usefully "find" themselves and if MH is silly enough to put himself into that situation we have 1 kill to start with and the offending scum is out of the game leaving us two bona-fide finders (who are immune to recruitment and can help guide us through the game).

I still don't see any issue having the FK reveal on this day, but I am willing to wait till tomorrow. Btw, just since no one has mentioned it, but if we try to guess who is scum today, we have a higher likelihood of hitting a finder (who would also want to lay low and preserve themselves) than MH. Let's just wait one more day, and go from there. Then the finders (if they don't over lap their finds) will know a total of 4 people who are cleared of being MH and if the finders then reveal, we have 6 safe members until MH is killed for the first time.

Sigh, clearly you skipped over all the percentage take where that was outlined on day 1

[Gust Hubb]

Sorry, then consider me reminding those who are eager to lynch. Just as a heads up.

[Khellendros]

Everyone seems to be thinking along the same lines that MH is hiding among the quieter players - unfortunately, there are quite a few of them. I'm reasonably certain that getting rid of twelve will not take down MH, but my vote remains on him because it's been a source of such division. With that gone, we can get on the quieter players with more weight.

[twelve]

I'm not going to self vote. Lynching for the sake of a lynch is stupid. But If you are still dead set on voting me out can we at least wait until the beginning of day 3 so the finders will get more information? I still think that having the finders reveal is the smart thing to do.

[Kurt Montandon]

Gust Hubb, on 15 July 2011 - 04:24 PM, said:

Sorry, then consider me reminding those who are eager to lynch. Just as a heads up.

I'm not eager to lynch. But I also hate being so passive in a Mafia game. It's ... contrary to the essence of the game.

[Kurt Montandon]

twelve, on 15 July 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

I'm not going to self vote. Lynching for the sake of a lynch is stupid. But If you are still dead set on voting me out can we at least wait until the beginning of day 3 so the finders will get more information? I still think that having the finders reveal is the smart thing to do.

No ... no, it isn't. Not both of them.

I suppose should be at least a little more decisive:

Vote twelve

[Tattersail_]

Who's around?

[Path-Shaper]

It is Day 2. 57 minutes remaining
12 Players still alive: ansible, Grief, Gust Hubb, HiddenOne, Khellendros, Kurt Montandon, Mentalist, Roldom, Shinrei, Tattersail, twelve, Vengeance

7 votes to lynch, 6 votes to go to night.

6 Votes for twelve ( Vengeance, Khellendros, Grief, Tattersail, ansible, Kurt Montandon )
1 Vote for Vengeance ( Roldom )
1 Vote for Grief ( Mentalist )
2 Votes for Night ( twelve, Shinrei )

Players not voted: Gust Hubb, HiddenOne

[Tattersail_]

an hour to go and HO and Roldom are around to hammer. This is good, it gets us the much needed lynch. I am sure day 3 will be a lot more informative for us.

[Gust Hubb]

I'm still around. I want to continue standing by my current understanding of the game, and will continue to hold off a vote. Sorry.

[Gust Hubb]

I'm not sure why you think a lynch is much needed Tat. I mean, it does reduce the amount of people to choose from, but do you have any better reasons. I am worried about hitting a finder (though, I must confess twelve doesn't strike me as one)

[Roldom]

im here but i dont really want to vote for twelve....i suppose i wont get much choice, im leaving in 30 min, if nothings changed by then i suppose ill switch

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 15 July 2011 - 04:48 PM, said:

I'm still around. I want to continue standing by my current understanding of the game, and will continue to hold off a vote. Sorry.

and what is your current understanding of the game?

[Roldom]

id assume with twelve saying finders should reveal, if he was one, he would of revealed lol

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 15 July 2011 - 04:49 PM, said:

I'm not sure why you think a lynch is much needed Tat. I mean, it does reduce the amount of people to choose from, but do you have any better reasons. I am worried about hitting a finder (though, I must confess twelve doesn't strike me as one)

Twelve is in no way a finder, he would have revealed, he is saying he wants the finder to reveal. This, and the fact that if he is town he would not reveal to save himself as that would have damaged town further. I'd remove my vote as long as a finder agreed to find Twelve tonight but we won't know that will we. We need to lynch three times before we get finder kills although i'm sure the finders are doing their finds each and every night.

[Gust Hubb]

I am now backing that there is only on MH and one successor who don't know they are a successor. MH can't switch this selection. There are two finders (was that really in the OP?) and they are safe from recruiting for up to 3 FKs of MH. There are no night kills. Unless we want to play a WIFOM game, we need at least one finder to reveal and coordinate. If several finders show up, they can check each other out and eliminate the impostor(s). We, the townies, wait on the finders until the odds are in favor of getting MH with a day lynch. Finders then once again start searching, day lynch, etc. at the end, the finders need to hold their last FK in reserve so that if we get to a 1 on 1 situation, town wins.

[Roldom]

we dont need to lynch 3 times before the finder kills, infact thats quite unlikely to happen

why is having the finder reveal harming town?