[Roldom]

also "wind tortoise"?

[Tattersail_]

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I left it on Twelve because I was going to be away for 9 hours and left it on a possible lynch target. I agree we need to lynch and we need to lynch right. On this basis I think Twelve AND Ansible make sense. Keep the finder kills back a little and lynch as much as we can. I think if one finder revealed themselves then they can say who thaey have found innocent the night before, the can also let the other finder who they are going to find that night so therefore they won't be finding the same player. I do not think voting night is a good idea at all.

[Roldom]

aslong as the FKS have there provisionals in, town doesnt lose anything by voting to night, but scum run the risk of being caught out

[Shinrei]

Path-Shaper, on 15 July 2011 - 04:20 AM, said:

Deep in the jungles of Eight Fan, rumours ran wild of Yan armies headed southward to root out Meng Huo. In the Nanman bastion of Tulong Cave, the populace assembled around an ancient tree stump. The stump was twenty spans tall without any sign of a branch ever having extended from it. Legend told that the tree had been cut down to a single span by the famed Nanman warrior Tuhuang and his great blade Wind Tortoise centuries ago but the stump had continued to grow defiantly while the sword eventually rusted and was thrown away. Atop this stump sat the king of Tulong Cave, King Duosi. The assembled populace shouted up to their king asking if he would follow Meng Huo in rebellion or accept Yan rule.

Duosi, a wizened mystic known for his roundabout explanations and love of hallucinogenic mushrooms, cast an imperious gaze over all his subjects, shook his fist at some passing monkeys and said: "The soldiers of the Yan dynasty are accustomed to their plains, fields, mountains, rivers, deserts, crags, mountains, valleys, plains, seas... what? Yes yes, they have things that are sparse! With plants, yes yes yes. We are men and women of the jungle! Especially the women, look how hairy they are! The Yan women aren't hairy at all. Do you think they'd give me one if I surrendered? Oh don't tell my wife that- where was I? Oh yes. They have smooth jungles and we have hairy seas but look I have no moustachios to twirl now do I my people?!" The crowd was confused. With a mighty intake of breath King Duosi roared at the passing monkeys and suddenly a great moustachio grew out of his face in a heartbeat. "And that is that!" he said, then retired.

[Shinrei]

If we decide that lynching is better than waiting, I want to vote Gust Hubb. I'm not going to repeat what others have said, but the short of it is I don't like how he's approaching this at all.

[Tattersail_]

I wouldn't want to vote Gust Hubb, I don't see anything that would indicate him being MH.

[Tattersail_]

Is Tweleve or Night the only option for today?

[Khellendros]

Shinrei, on 14 July 2011 - 11:50 PM, said:

twelve, on 14 July 2011 - 11:41 PM, said:

I'm out. If I'm lynched then I apologize if everyone thought I was all over the board. If not and I hope town wises up and realizes that they need to lynch in conjunction with what info finders gives to improve our chances of winning. Otherwise Meng Huo will wipe the floor with town.

You know, you've convinced me to a certain extent mostly because you are not all over the board, but rather consistant. Although I agree with Kurt as well that the finders revealing probably isn't the best idea. So we can do a hybrid of this strategy and half-ass the whole thing! Wheeee!

Besides, I secretly want vengy to rant at me at some point during this game.

vote night

Oh yeah, twelve's been real consistent: even if you discount the fact that he's gone full circle on whether we should just go to night or lynch, there's been: "scum are killers! No wait, they can't kill. But there's two MHs! No wait, there's only one! All finders should reveal right now! No wait, maybe one should reveal."

twelve's been all over the place, and it's really to the town's detriment because it means that's what we focus on rather than anything else.

[Khellendros]

Look, twelve says that we should hold off lynching until we have better odds of actually getting the right person, after at least one finder has revealed and has told us who they've cleared. On its own, this seems perfectly sensible, and actually I'm not as totally against it as you might think.

But you can't just ignore the fact that someone might fake reveal, or else question the finder's findings in order to get us to start doubting them. People have kept saying 'oh, but we'll know soon enough because the other finder can verify their claim.' Erm, but isn't this self-defeating? Doesn't that effectively mean we'd only have one finder because one is constantly only verifying what the other does?

[Roldom]

depend on how much info the finders get, if the find tells them full CF then they can check each other out and tell us who was telling the truth

[Tattersail_]

The MH is porbably kicking himself laughing at the moment. Do we really believe the MH would be as erratic as Twelve? Although his views have bounced here there and back again it doesn't mean he is the MH more likely trying to be a helpful town. I think the MH would be someone being careful in what they say, staying away from the controversy and not being too strong in their accusations. At least there is no set way to play but Kurt and HO are two that stand out to me at the moment.

[Tattersail_]

I think it'll just say he is MH or he isn't.

[Khellendros]

Tattersail, on 15 July 2011 - 09:56 AM, said:

The MH is porbably kicking himself laughing at the moment. Do we really believe the MH would be as erratic as Twelve? Although his views have bounced here there and back again it doesn't mean he is the MH more likely trying to be a helpful town. I think the MH would be someone being careful in what they say, staying away from the controversy and not being too strong in their accusations. At least there is no set way to play but Kurt and HO are two that stand out to me at the moment.

I realise this, and I already said as much to Shinrei. No, I don't think twelve is MH, but his erratic play sure isn't helping the town either. So, either a symp deliberately drawing attention to themselves and away from MH, or an inno who's play has unfortunately become the focus, which isn't good either.

You want to build a case on one of the quieter ones and have us follow that to a lynch? Sure, I got no problem with that. Indeed, I'd even welcome it, seeing as I pointed out HO's 'I'm saying sensible things but not actually saying anything substantive' ages ago. But we've got to get behind that then, because at the moment no viable alternative has been suggested, aside from night, which I think might end up being counter-productive. Yes, there's more chance we'll hit an inno now, but at the same time it's less risky to lose an inno now then when there's less of us.

[Tattersail_]

Khellendros, on 15 July 2011 - 10:20 AM, said:

Tattersail, on 15 July 2011 - 09:56 AM, said:

The MH is porbably kicking himself laughing at the moment. Do we really believe the MH would be as erratic as Twelve? Although his views have bounced here there and back again it doesn't mean he is the MH more likely trying to be a helpful town. I think the MH would be someone being careful in what they say, staying away from the controversy and not being too strong in their accusations. At least there is no set way to play but Kurt and HO are two that stand out to me at the moment.

I realise this, and I already said as much to Shinrei. No, I don't think twelve is MH, but his erratic play sure isn't helping the town either. So, either a symp deliberately drawing attention to themselves and away from MH, or an inno who's play has unfortunately become the focus, which isn't good either.

You want to build a case on one of the quieter ones and have us follow that to a lynch? Sure, I got no problem with that. Indeed, I'd even welcome it, seeing as I pointed out HO's 'I'm saying sensible things but not actually saying anything substantive' ages ago. But we've got to get behind that then, because at the moment no viable alternative has been suggested, aside from night, which I think might end up being counter-productive. Yes, there's more chance we'll hit an inno now, but at the same time it's less risky to lose an inno now then when there's less of us.

I agree, I think one of the finders should investigate Tweleve just to be sure he isn't playing us. I am going to look at Kurt and HO and see what they have had to offer us.

[Tattersail_]

1st three posts just anouncing himself. 4 pages later 3 posts that say nothing. 5 Pages later, (page 10)...

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Well ... I've been pretty indecisive and inactive.

But I think letting Day One go without a lynch would be not such a bad idea in this particular game. Just Day One, though, and see if anyone gets nailed during Night.

And there's got to be some balance against FKs simply revealing - that would make this game boringly easy for town.

Then an "i'm drunk, no ones around" post.


Page 12 a one liner about fake reveals

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And maybe even lure out a fake reveal in the process ...

followed by this

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The problem is that if they hit a symp doing a fake reveal - I'm reading the setup as meaning only MH himself will be killed by a Find.

So if we come back the next day, and our three reveals are all pointing fingers at each other ... we won't know which one is lying.

Page 13 another one liner

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I realize not everyone here has English as a first language, but how the hell do you get a cult out of the OP?

this was after Venge had stated there was no cult, in massive bold letters.

page 14 another one liner, this time about spam

page 15 two more in the form of questions, the first about finder reveals, the second wifom about symps.

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Mentalist, on 15 July 2011 - 02:47 AM, said:

yawn. we play the same we would play in a game if *gasp* we DIDN'T have a finder.

you know, look for people we think are acting scummy, and we vote for them. Which also helps pour finders, b/c it narrows the suspect pool and all.

we lose when it's 2:2, no? i'm sure someone can do the math and figure out how many lynches we are allowed before we get to that scenario.



I'm not entirely adverse to a lynch myself - we have to do it sooner or later. I think it's 50/50 as to whether it's a good idea, or to just let the Finders work one more Night without pitching in.

And I'm sure as hell not going to do any math, I'll leave the heavy lifting on that to Venge, I think.

Then nothing. So to me, although he has posted some, I don't believe he has helped us in anyway. His play strikes me as someone who wants to hide, not be drawn into any conflict but increase his post count. I have not played with Kurt before so I don't know if this is good play by him and he is building to some extravagant cases but I don't see them coming any time soon.



Vote Kurt Montandon

[Mentalist]

I don't have a problem with the finders revealing to narrow the suspect pool. I don't think they should share any info on who they find though, b/c it will lead to wifom. and if they get it right, well, the results will be self-evident.

[HiddenOne]

Sounds like several people had days from hell yesterday, including myself, at least the weekend is here...

As far as a strategy goes for moving forward, my thoughts are this:

If we continue to not lynch anyone, the finders may continue to clear people until they hit scum. At that time we may have a little more info to make cases when looking back, assuming the CF will tell us if the finder hits MH the boss or a recruit, by way of interactions. At any rate, I think several people agree one FK must be saved until endgame. A reveal will not help us just for its own sake at this time. Our finders may be in communication off-thread, hopefully they are able to make this call as needed. Perhaps a code would lend strength to such reveals, I don't know.

If we are about to lynch someone inno, the finders may choose to save that person by revealing or not before the rope is set. The more days until that happens the better. Early on it seems that letting an inno go down to maintain finders anonymity might be worth it.

[Mentalist]

well, then, any idea on who migh tbe scum?

in terms of suspicious play, we have both twelve and Gust Hubb acting in ways that generally would be considered not constructive to town. but, neither type of play seems like something a lone scum would do.

methinks it's one of the more quieter players.

[Mentalist]

following up on the "vote for quieter players" logic
vote grief


because i'm pretty sure he's the only one playing who still hasn't made any waves. which i ssuspicious in itself.



with that, i'm out for another day at work. won't be back for about 13-15 hours.

[Grief]

Mentalist, on 15 July 2011 - 12:48 PM, said:

following up on the "vote for quieter players" logic
vote grief


because i'm pretty sure he's the only one playing who still hasn't made any waves. which i ssuspicious in itself.



with that, i'm out for another day at work. won't be back for about 13-15 hours.

The reasoning here seems weaker than your gut vote.

I was on twelve first, which certainly seems to have made waves. You really think that being one of the first serious/vocal players on day one is laying-low type scum behaviour? Similarly, being first on the train, rather than waiting till it's safer and hopping on in agreement. I'm not claiming this is something scum never do, but you seem to be accusing me of being the "laying-low" kind of scum, and it just doesn't fit.