This post has been edited by Loki: 19 March 2012 - 09:52 PM
Mass Effect 3 First trailer
#181
Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:50 PM
Okay, have found my third complaint - FemShep only has one male romance option that can be started in ME3 and that's -
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Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:
And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.
~TQB~
#182
Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:16 PM
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Did anyone else notice this little Easter Egg in the war assets, "the 104 marine corps, combat engineers, codenamed "The Bridgeburners" tight-nit group of brave men and women" or some such, don't have the game loaded up right now 8D
I caught that too. Made me wonder if the Graal Shotgun was a reference to the Gral in the Seven Cities.
Noticed it quite a while before y'all

Tapper, on 09 March 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:
I wonder if the Team Zeta "Bridge Burners" unit that becomes an upgrade to the Alliance Marines is a wink towards MBotF....
Everyone is entitled to his own wrong opinion. - Lizrad
#183
Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:18 PM
Thought I linked this earlier, here's a document breaking down just how illogical the ending is. While you may not agree with every point (there were a few things that just felt like nitpicking), the author does a great job of outlining all of the problems.
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
And no, I do not want Bioware to change the ending. I wish that the ending we got didn't exist, I wish that Bioware hadn't dropped the ball, but I neither expect nor want them to change it.
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
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And no, I do not want Bioware to change the ending. I wish that the ending we got didn't exist, I wish that Bioware hadn't dropped the ball, but I neither expect nor want them to change it.
This post has been edited by Defiance: 19 March 2012 - 10:36 PM
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#184
Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:28 AM
i enjoyed the game and the ending,
the most annoying part of the game had to be the sections where you have to walk, call me an impatient bastard, but stupid dream sequences where i walk are fu****g boring, and the final decision shouldnt require me to hobble so if i wanted to change my mind it would take me four hours to make it to the other choices.
remarkably like deus ex in that it disregards quite a lot for the very smallest of changes in the end. Plus so many glitches inthe game, of quests not leaving the journal though they were completed or names not leaving the map when the quest ended though the character is gone...
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the most annoying part of the game had to be the sections where you have to walk, call me an impatient bastard, but stupid dream sequences where i walk are fu****g boring, and the final decision shouldnt require me to hobble so if i wanted to change my mind it would take me four hours to make it to the other choices.
remarkably like deus ex in that it disregards quite a lot for the very smallest of changes in the end. Plus so many glitches inthe game, of quests not leaving the journal though they were completed or names not leaving the map when the quest ended though the character is gone...
This post has been edited by drinksinbars: 20 March 2012 - 08:30 AM
#185
Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:42 AM
Defiance, on 19 March 2012 - 10:18 PM, said:
Thought I linked this earlier, here's a document breaking down just how illogical the ending is. While you may not agree with every point (there were a few things that just felt like nitpicking), the author does a great job of outlining all of the problems.
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
And no, I do not want Bioware to change the ending. I wish that the ending we got didn't exist, I wish that Bioware hadn't dropped the ball, but I neither expect nor want them to change it.
https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true
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And no, I do not want Bioware to change the ending. I wish that the ending we got didn't exist, I wish that Bioware hadn't dropped the ball, but I neither expect nor want them to change it.
Y'know, the writer of that piece may have points (and no, I hadn't picked up most of that during my one play-through of the ending sequence, however, he doesn't convince me that it is therefore bad), but he loses all credibility when he goes out and states that 'we, as a society and consumer base need to demand a higher degree of competence from the people we pay to make art and entertainment.'
A. He can decide NOT to buy it. There were plenty of comments and videos out there from just after the release that warned him. It's called voting with your feet.
B. He buys a mass-produced article. If he wants influence on design/ outcome, he should custom-order something.
C. Bioware is the owner of the intellectual property, not him. That means they can do what they want with it, whether you like it or not.
D. it sounds an awful lot like he's wanting to dictate what art (and, way less important, entertainment) should be like (although often art is meant is entertainment - see music, books, movies), which is in my humble opinion a dictatorial trait and therefore ill-becoming and detracting from the argument. What's next, complaining that Mona Lisa is imperfect because 'the background is lopsided and out of perspective'? Dismissing Roy Lichtenstein's work as non-art because 'it is just pixels and not of a very good quality either, my two-year old sister could do that too', opting to rebuild the Venus of Milo 'because her arms and nose have fallen off', rewriting Joyce's Ulysses 'because the lingo doesn't make sense', demanding SE to rewrite MoI 'because clearly there is no way Whiskeyjack's leg can snap like that'?
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It seems to me that ending has been deliberately written, designed, programmed and manufactored by people who do have a better grasp of the intricacies of the ME3 universe and who would know the ending wouldn't stand up to scrutiny, and that the end(s) may well have been written long before the voice acting and scripting had finished. Games seldom are developed in a linear fashion, I'd say.
They might even be able to predict the outrage it caused, and the impact that might have on future sales. And still they went ahead with it.
I'd say there's a plan there, instead of incompetence.
Heck, like Deus Ex 3 had a DLC taking place in one of the gaps in the story, so might ME 3. In which case, wanting to puzzle the fan base (which may have backfired into infuriating a relatively large and very vocal minority of it - see how many here have real issues with it as an illustration, because it IS a minority) is a pretty good way to launch said DLC.
They'll get critized for not including it in the vanilla game, of course, but it would fit both their statement that they wouldn't add epilogues and it would be the one thing that would make it a must-buy DLC for just about everyone.
Everyone is entitled to his own wrong opinion. - Lizrad
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#187
Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:29 AM
I'm definitly not buying some sort of expanded ending DLC unless the internet collectively agrees it's more value for your money than The Shadowbroker, and even if so that'll be the last EA production I'll pay for in the near future.
I'm not one of those who complain about DLCs. I quite enjoy being able to expand my gaming experience with such mini-expansions. I certainly didn't mind having to pay for Katsumi, Overlord, or The Shadowbroker. When you need to pay extra to get the full ending however, that's going too far and I'm not supporting that with my money.
I'm not one of those who complain about DLCs. I quite enjoy being able to expand my gaming experience with such mini-expansions. I certainly didn't mind having to pay for Katsumi, Overlord, or The Shadowbroker. When you need to pay extra to get the full ending however, that's going too far and I'm not supporting that with my money.
Take good care to keep relations civil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
#188
Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:38 AM
I've found my fourth complaint -
So, only four minor complaints...well the quest updating one is moderate but the point being - if that's all I can find to complain about then I have no problem at all with people giving it 10 out of 10.
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So, only four minor complaints...well the quest updating one is moderate but the point being - if that's all I can find to complain about then I have no problem at all with people giving it 10 out of 10.

Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:
And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.
~TQB~
#189
Posted 20 March 2012 - 11:55 AM
something about the endings:
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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
#190
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:20 PM
Yeah, that summarises it pretty well. Isolated the ending is perfectly ok, but it worked so that our choices had no meaning, which defeats the entire premise of the series.
Take good care to keep relations civil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
#191
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:32 PM
Would you have preferred that our choices locked us into an ending instead? I can imagine a lot more people would be angry if they had no choice in the games end whatsoever. Personally i would have been happy either way. I like the end but i also like having to deal with and accept the consequences of my previous actions. Just how would you have done the end?
This post has been edited by Loki: 20 March 2012 - 12:33 PM
Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:
And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.
~TQB~
#192
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:40 PM
Morgoth, on 20 March 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:
Yeah, that summarises it pretty well. Isolated the ending is perfectly ok, but it worked so that our choices had no meaning, which defeats the entire premise of the series.
On the personal level, that is entirely true. On a universal level, it isn't, per sé.
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Maybe I'm just easily satisfied and/or unwilling to see the bad about something that was in and of itself an outstanding experience apart from a minute of video, but... I can't let any personal disappointment over such a thing get the better over all the enjoyment I got out of the game

This post has been edited by Tapper: 20 March 2012 - 12:41 PM
Everyone is entitled to his own wrong opinion. - Lizrad
#193
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:42 PM
Loki, on 20 March 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:
Would you have preferred that our choices locked us into an ending instead?
Yes. Make the whole game/trilogy an ending-choosing process. That would've been too awesome for words.
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I can imagine a lot more people would be angry if they had no choice in the games end whatsoever.
But there would be choice. A lot of it. You'd spend 25-150 hours making choices.
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Just how would you have done the end?
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It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; because there is not effort without error and shortcomings; but who does actually strive to do the deed; who knows the great enthusiasm, the great devotion, who spends himself in a worthy cause, who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement and who at the worst, if he fails, at least he fails while daring greatly. So that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.
#194
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:51 PM
As far as I am concerned Mass Effect is the story of Shepard - it starts and ends with him.
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Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:
And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.
~TQB~
#195
Posted 20 March 2012 - 12:51 PM
Loki, on 20 March 2012 - 12:32 PM, said:
Would you have preferred that our choices locked us into an ending instead? I can imagine a lot more people would be angry if they had no choice in the games end whatsoever. Personally i would have been happy either way. I like the end but i also like having to deal with and accept the consequences of my previous actions. Just how would you have done the end?
Actually, that would have been awesome, permitting that as Gothos suggests, some or all your bigger choices from 1, 2 and 3 had an effect. I do think that complaints would be sky-high, though "I make one tiny decision in ME1 and now you made me kill the Turians, wut Bioware, you want me to replay 150 hours again just to change that!?" et cetera.
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Everyone is entitled to his own wrong opinion. - Lizrad
#196
Posted 20 March 2012 - 01:14 PM
Tapper, on 20 March 2012 - 12:40 PM, said:
Morgoth, on 20 March 2012 - 12:20 PM, said:
Yeah, that summarises it pretty well. Isolated the ending is perfectly ok, but it worked so that our choices had no meaning, which defeats the entire premise of the series.
On the personal level, that is entirely true. On a universal level, it isn't, per sé.
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Maybe I'm just easily satisfied and/or unwilling to see the bad about something that was in and of itself an outstanding experience apart from a minute of video, but... I can't let any personal disappointment over such a thing get the better over all the enjoyment I got out of the game

Oh I agree, I loved the game. And the tragic ending really stays with me, so I'm not complaining about that either. However, I would have liked there to be a stronger feel of... influence in the finale. Typically this would have been a minor gripe, but as we were promised something very different it feels dissapointing all the same.
Take good care to keep relations civil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
It's decent in the first of gentlemen
To speak friendly, Even to the devil
#197
Posted 20 March 2012 - 07:17 PM
I just read that article that Defiance posted. I think that the guy's ultimate goal in suggesting that the ending was poorly written and that we should expect better is wrong. However,
EDIT: Just spoilered all of that for spoiler reasons. Apologies to anyone who read it before I realised that I hadn't spoilered all of my MASSIVE SPOILERS! D:
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EDIT: Just spoilered all of that for spoiler reasons. Apologies to anyone who read it before I realised that I hadn't spoilered all of my MASSIVE SPOILERS! D:
This post has been edited by Jade-Green Pig-Hog Swine-Beast: 20 March 2012 - 07:39 PM
The love I bear thee can afford no better term than this: thou art a villain.
"Perhaps we think up our own destinies and so, in a sense, deserve whatever happens to us, for not having had the wit to imagine something better." ― Iain Banks
"Perhaps we think up our own destinies and so, in a sense, deserve whatever happens to us, for not having had the wit to imagine something better." ― Iain Banks
#198
Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:35 PM
Found this video, too:
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The love I bear thee can afford no better term than this: thou art a villain.
"Perhaps we think up our own destinies and so, in a sense, deserve whatever happens to us, for not having had the wit to imagine something better." ― Iain Banks
"Perhaps we think up our own destinies and so, in a sense, deserve whatever happens to us, for not having had the wit to imagine something better." ― Iain Banks
#199
Posted 21 March 2012 - 12:32 AM
Loki, on 20 March 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:
I've found my fourth complaint -
So, only four minor complaints...well the quest updating one is moderate but the point being - if that's all I can find to complain about then I have no problem at all with people giving it 10 out of 10.
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So, only four minor complaints...well the quest updating one is moderate but the point being - if that's all I can find to complain about then I have no problem at all with people giving it 10 out of 10.

I also noticed:
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#200
Posted 21 March 2012 - 02:41 AM
Dammon, on 21 March 2012 - 12:32 AM, said:
Loki, on 20 March 2012 - 09:38 AM, said:
I've found my fourth complaint -
So, only four minor complaints...well the quest updating one is moderate but the point being - if that's all I can find to complain about then I have no problem at all with people giving it 10 out of 10.
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So, only four minor complaints...well the quest updating one is moderate but the point being - if that's all I can find to complain about then I have no problem at all with people giving it 10 out of 10.

I also noticed:
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I didn't notice that as
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Wry, on 29 February 2012 - 10:50 AM, said:
And you're not complaining, you're criticizing. It's a side-effect of being better than everyone else, I get it sometimes too.
~TQB~