[Reiko]

You cant really compare Tehol and the Errant.
Tehol's goals were to bring down a corrupt system for the CHANCE of freedom for all Letherii, not just the wealthy few.
If given a choice would you rather die for the sake of freedom or not?

Also i dont think that the Errant is in anyway controlling, more just he makes the subtle nudge to get a character to follow the path he wants.
I mean he makes them DO stuff thats in their nature not against.

[Gem Windcaster]

Reiko;322983 said:

You cant really compare Tehol and the Errant.
Tehol's goals were to bring down a corrupt system for the CHANCE of freedom for all Letherii, not just the wealthy few.
If given a choice would you rather die for the sake of freedom or not?

Also i dont think that the Errant is in anyway controlling, more just he makes the subtle nudge to get a character to follow the path he wants.
I mean he makes them DO stuff thats in their nature not against.

Maybe, but then he's taking credit for a lot he shouldn't take credit for.

I say it's more about him taking advantage of people to his own ends.

[Reiko]

Explain what you mean by "Taking credit"? When does he do that?

This isn't an attack I'm just curious that I may have missed something:confused:

I mean sure he has his moments of satisfaction, who wouldn't when your schemes are being pulled off so well?
Personally I REALLY wouldn't want to be the Errants enemy.

"What? Karsa I said What?, No I didn't say that!"

*gets cut in half by Karsa's giant sword*

[Gem Windcaster]

Reiko;323000 said:

Explain what you mean by "Taking credit"? When does he do that?

This isnt an attack im just curious that I may have missed something:confused:

Well, I don't exactly have any quotes for you, so it's just a feeling I've had while reading.

But think about it, he himself views his actions as actually accomplishing something that wouldn't happen unless he did them. The way you described him, he's not really doing anything at all. So that would mean he thinks he doing more than he does. Leaving him either stupid or arrogant. Or both. And by arrogant I mean more arrogant than usual.

[Reiko]

I have nothing to say to that other than yes, yes he is indeed arrogant.

I also think he's got his actions down so such an art that all it takes for him IS a nudge and everything falls into place. Thats where his satisfaction (and what I believe he is pretty much compelled to do)

Like I mean say for instance Lord Whatsisface doesnt get his morning coffee, leaving him grumpy enough to dismiss all his guards at what is the exact moment an assassin had planned to attack.
He doesnt do anything personally but make it so the Lord doesnt get his coffee and then it all goes downhill.

Keep in mind hes been alive for thousands of years, you would come to pretty much embody your aspect or go crazy resisting

[Gem Windcaster]

Well then, it's like I said in an earlier post. When it comes to the errant there's no such thing as 'just a nudge'.

[The Archivist]

Well, in the year or so I have been on this server, I finally recieved some neg rep ... *sighs* not sure what I did A'Karonys but sorry to have disturbed you. *blinks in surprise and withdraws*

[Ivan the terrible]

It's amusing to think, considering the citizen's clamps placed on the Errant that it was their worshiping the aspect of chance encounter that killed Trull.

The Errant was only following the sadistic decrees of SE, and his adoring readers who revel in the tragedy of the chance act.

I think the Errant is awesome.

[Carnifex]

The Errant is great to read, but the more he's interfered with humanity, the more humanity he has lost himself. Back during his FA days he seemed to genuinely care about his worshippers, but at some point after that he became self-absorbed, pushing and pulling without any sense of a larger whole.

His greed and feelings of obsolescence have made him even more rash and thus more dangerous. For the good of stability, he needs to be put down and Paran's the obvious choice. The Errant has been painted as something of a champion of humanity back in the old days, but he's made a series of decisions leading him away from that path.
Maybe he can redeem himself, but he doesn't have the vision to do it yet.

No pun intended Losing his eye was a great metaphor for his shortsightedness though.

[Ivan the terrible]

To reiterate, this would mean that the Errant's push and pull is always so seemingly horrific because deep down the people of Lether...(and I would push this to Malaz) are sadistic fucks. Glorying in the fall of the powerful, or the successful as a vindication of their cynical lifestyle and lack of ambition.

Or perhaps it can be attributed to Feather witch...but i think there is definitely an element of culpability with the worshippers, otherwise why would SE go to such lengths throughout his tome to emphasise the reciprocal relation.

[Ivan the terrible]

@ Carnifex why assume he had humanity in the first place? Does it say somewhere he ascended? I always got the impression he was older than all that...not Elder old but certainly not Human young.

[Gem Windcaster]

Ivan the terrible;323137 said:

I think the Errant is awesome.

Will you guys stop posting stuff like that, it feels like someone is killing me with a blunt knife. *shudders*

I agree, Carnifex. I think the Errant has become corrupted by lether itself - he definitely changed through time.
But that doesn't excuse him. He has made his choices, and without being able to adapt to the new times, he's gotta go.

Mael hasn't been so nice to people through time either - but he's made other choices lately. Unless he gets in trouble for things in his past, He has a chance to outlive all the powerful beings on Wu.

[Ivan the terrible]

I think I said that, not Carnifex...but how and ever, if as you seem to agree he's become corrupted by the people and unable to do a Poleil on his followers.

Seeing as that would require the death of a nation whos worship largely constitutes an off the cuff expression.

It puts him in a rather difficult possibly sympathetic position. Unless Tool wipes Lether from the face of the world Errant will be played like a large puppet.

Revenge enough in my books, for an ego of that measure

[Gem Windcaster]

Well, I hope you're right.

[D'rek]

Ivan the terrible;323549 said:

I think I said that, not Carnifex...but how and ever, if as you seem to agree he's become corrupted by the people and unable to do a Poleil on his followers.

You mean doing a D'rek. Doing a Poliel would be the Errant going "Oh look a shiny fragment of metal I think I'll impale myself on it... Oh Noes!!! Otataral!!!"

[Gem Windcaster]

A said:

You mean doing a D'rek. Doing a Poliel would be the Errant going "Oh look a shiny fragment of metal I think I'll impale myself on it... Oh Noes!!! Otataral!!!"

ROFLMAO! Here's hoping...

[Ivan the terrible]

Yeah, you're right. Whole death/disease/decay thing gets me every time.

[Reiko]

isn't the Errant Hold aspected anyway so Paran couldn't do the, "here have some shiny, sharp otattaral you crazy bitch".

[Gem Windcaster]

Reiko;323664 said:

isn't the Errant Hold aspected anyway so Paran couldn't do the, "here have some shiny, sharp otattaral you crazy bitch".

Hey, if Paran wanted to do it, he'd find a way to do it. Otataral or no otataral.

[Reiko]

Gem Windcaster;323737 said:

Hey, if Paran wanted to do it, he'd find a way to do it. Otataral or no otataral.

Oh dont get me wrong, I have great faith in Paran I just wanted to point out that Otataral would have no effect.
.....unless it works into the plot.

I actually think that after the Errant does his flip and everyone loves him, Tehol decides he has to go and outsmarts him and makes the Errant screw himself into a tiny hole somewhere.

Btw I too think the Errant is outdated