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The end result is the same.
Feed the machine everyone else's work and push the button, out comes the flood to garbage to wash away creativity and kill the arts.

The crux of the issue

Its does not create.

Even fanfiction is creating

Parody is an art form in itself

AI is churning out words it does not understand, it is not even a mimic, its putting one word after another because its seen it done by humans.

Were I to write and homage to LotR, it would be terrible, but I would understand the words and what they mean in context.
I would have understanding ofnthe source materials

AI does not understand the hobbies got soaking wet because it was raining.
It says the got wet because the word wet usually follows rain.

The scissors analogy was perhaps to blunt (hehe) but the principal stands. Its takes works, "reads" them and sticks words together in an order it has seen before.

I think the difference comes down to this.

You read a book and are inspired by it to write something.

You don't take out the scissors and cut the book up and rearrange the sentences then present it as your own original work.

That is ultimately what LLMs are doing, just on a maaaahoooooise scale. So its not creating, its mashing shit into a blender and generating income for people that do nothing, not even read the original works to be inspired.

You sell a million copies, how many of those readers are going to write something?
How much of that will ever see the light of day because its not finished, not good enough, author does it for fun?
1, 2?

You've sold a million books, youre doing OK.

You write 20 books, only a moderate seller, you're David Gemmell, enough to live comfortably on but youre not selling 50 shades of grey volume, you're safe, the maths is in your favour.

Some talentless fruitloop stuffs your books in a machine without even reading them and churn out countless volumes of dire which people unwittingly buy and leave the genre forever because its garbage.
The market is flooded with shite, inevitably your market share becomes untenable and you go back to your job at the newspaper, oh wait.....


Keep AI, ok.
Regulate the fuck out of it, full transparency on ALL their training models.
Full accountability for the company's that feed the machine, they ARE responsible for it reading pirated stuff because its a dumbass machine that doesn't know its reading pirated shite.

When that happens we can talk.

Ha, a quick Google throws up a ton of articles, even their ai summary says theyre being sued for theft.

The fact the big boys are now trying to sign deals with large publications shows they know theyre on slippery slopes and want to claw some legitimacy.

Will be irrelevant in a year or two when people realise neural networks is a bullshit lie, the top players are all still glorified LLMs and the circle Jerk of money is one bad day away from an economy crashing fuck you to silicon valley equivalent to the dotcom bang times 10

Azath Vitr (D, on 11 December 2025 - 12:14 PM, said:

No they were sued for deliberately feeding the machines copy righted material.

They had a big puddle of stuff that they all used to feed the first big LLMs, that they fully disclosed.(it has a name even that bundle of stuff but it currently exudes me)
Then came gpt2, less information of source was divulged
Then 3and guess what, LESS information about where it was fed from
And where we are now they disclose fuck all because....why ever would they not say what they've fed it???

But yeah, I'll dig out a recent article for you

Pretty sure all the big LLM AI robot things owners have been accused and in some places sued for feeding copy righted material into their robots.

That's theft