[Agraba]

I'm not referring to the bargain with Ganoes, but rather, his part with ST and Menandore. His part was to bring Hedge.

First off, the wind that spoke to Hedge was Hood. I knew this after a little bit, because nothing else in the book satisfies its title, but this one does perfectly. Also, authors often use scenes relating to the title as the most profound thinker scenes in the book, and this may have been it.

So Hood's part of the bargain is to lead Hedge to the Refugium, by having him run into the CG's Imass; also to revive Hedge.

At the time, it was thought that Menandore would be ST's ally in opposing her two sisters. So that she joined her sisters was a twist, and she ended up going against ST's agents (QB and Trull), and Hood's agent (Hedge).

What Hood gets out of this: He is a known enemy of the Crippled God. It was mentioned that if the CG Imass is able to enter the Refugium, she would recruit lots of allies for the CG. Thanks to Hedge, that didn't happen.

I'm not saying that Hedge is a servant, or witting agent of Hood. Just that Hood steered him in the right course by speaking to him as that wind. Maybe (a slight possibility) he had something to do with reviving him, if it wasn't the power of the Refugium (but it probably was).

[Skywalker]

Agraba;192414 said:

I'm not referring to the bargain with Ganoes, but rather, his part with ST and Menandore. His part was to bring Hedge.

First off, the wind that spoke to Hedge was Hood.

So Hood's part of the bargain is to lead Hedge to the Refugium, by having him run into the CG's Imass; also to revive Hedge.

I agree with the first part - that was definitely "Hood's Breath"

Second part, I'm not so sure... My impression was that Hedge wasn't even in Hood's realm proper when the wind came to him. He had crossed that big deal of a bridge and set the Deragoth free... he was effectively in a realm that predated Hood.

Besides the wind didn't really egg/ lead Hedge on, did it? I don't completely recall. It was just part of that environment.

[Agraba]

But he was very near Hood's old hold (also not definite). Also, he was really just wandering aimlessly; I would think that naturally he'd go with the wind for least resistance, especially if distracted by conversation.

[tiam]

the wind was defintely hoods and there a reference in that passage that says he relased his breath and never took it again beleiving himself to be the last Jaghut. hedge then goes on to say this breath is the 'wind' that was heard.

[Thelomen Toblerone]

In that case you have to wonder at Hood's sharpness. We've come across quite a few Jaghut still living, and Hood must have been dead for a good long while for him to be well-known as the Lord of Death.

So why didnt he realise there were other Jaghut about? With an essentially immortal lifespan I shouldnt imagine it would take him more than a few hundred years of searching (let's face it, a tiny amount in the scheme of immortality) to find a whole load of other Jaghut who we've met in the other books.

The only answers I can come up with are that he's lazy or a bit dopey. And he did get tricked by Menandore, so the latter would seem to be the favourite....

[tiam]

they were possibly in that stasis thing that the FA put them in. Mayb cynigig (?) was also in a semi stasis. Youve gotta remember that the jaghut were in hiding not just Imass specific hiding. They were hiding from everyone and the stasis explains why Hood could not detect there souls

[Skywalker]

Or maybe he knew there were Jaghut out there, and that there is no Jaghut underworld (I believe this is implied/ stated in RG). So his options were die out along with the rest of his race (which woulda seemed feasible) or persist and take up the mantle of Lord of Death...

Plus being Lord of Death is essentially being alone. That would appeal to a Jaghut.

That being said, on a tangent, it is interesting why he would steal Dassem's daughter... and just so you know, the tale of Hood (Hades) taking Dassem's daughter (Persephone) has parallels in Graeco Roman myth... only Persephone was eventually returned to her parents (Zeus and Demeter).

http://en.wikipedia...._abduction_myth

[philospher77]

See, I don't get the voice of the wind being Hood at all. I think it's much more likely to be what Hedge was thinking... some god that's died and is trying to reassure itself that it still has power by getting Hedge to do what it says. In which case, it would be even more evidence that nothing lasts forever, not even the gods.

[Agraba]

By the way, I might speculate that Hood asked Ganoes to make Hedge a part of HHD.

[Talamadas]

Why would Hood need the permission of Paran?
As Master of the deck his role is to keep the balance and sanctify new houses( atleast i understood it that way.
I am quite certain he is not able to deny a person taking a postion among a house and most positions are only temporary(like Sorry in GotM). Paran would have alot to do if he had to "approve" everytime.

[Agraba]

Not really; the Pantheon isn't a city-scale group of ascendants. Probably limited to less than twice what we see at the end of TBH glossary. Also, gods can usually try to make someone a part of their house, but all they need to is refuse, and disappoint the gods (just like Karsa to the CG, and Udinaas to the Errant). People like Trull were only made part of the pantheon because of their willingness for the cause. Had Trull said 'screw that', there's probably not much ST could've done.

When you're on the card, however, things become more... official.

But perhaps Hood only wanted the whereabouts of Hedge, since Ganoes only recently travelled with him. However, that wouldn't explain QB's wide-eyed reaction as well as that, and having him added to the house.

[Blend]

I was under the impression that Hood's part of the deal was to 'NOTICE' the Refugium, and make death come to that place.

I mean, isn't it stated that the Refugium has gone unnoticed, or ignored, by the Lord of Death for too long?

Let's keep in mind that Quick Ben has worked for (or with?) Hood before (i.e. in MOI) and so perhaps Hood's part of the deal was Quick Ben, and that ST was just helping Hood get his help there seeing as QB was already in the Shadow Warren.

[lobo the wolfman]

If Hood believed that he was the last Jaghut left, then what does he think his former herald is in MOI?
In MOI Hoods herald is a Jaghut named Gethol who is brother to Gothos, so thats at least two Jaghut that hood has to know is alive.

[Leek]

lobo the wolfman;202412 said:

If Hood believed that he was the last Jaghut left, then what does he think his former herald is in MOI?
In MOI Hoods herald is a Jaghut named Gethol who is brother to Gothos, so thats at least two Jaghut that hood has to know is alive.

Yes, but I don't think Gethol was the Herald of HH Death since the beginning, these are temporary positions after all. Hood only needs to have though he was the last Jaghut at one point in time, to give up hope, breathe his last breath.

Once he did that, theres kinda no going back it seems, so another point of tragedy (ala SE) is that he only found other living Jaghut once he became the Lord of Death, kinda ironic IMO

By the way, I can't seem to remember whats weird about Jaghut fingers?

[dawnkiller]

Eheheh. I'll admit my brain didn't automatically go to Hood when I saw the figure in the ice throne, but then I looked at the casting for the Ice Hold back in MT.

And upon the Throne of Ice sits Death, cowled and frost rimed, stealer of caring, to shatter the anxious shackles of mortal life. It is a gift, but a cold one.

Ehehe. Yeah. That seems pretty upfront.

Though it's interesting -- there were the bodies of the other Jaghut gathered around him on the throne, weren't there? IIRC, collected post-mortem as well, which seems unusual, especially considering how solitary a god Hood is. Mockery, maybe, of the "kingdom" he's going to survey?

I don't know, now I'm thinking back to DG, where List is relating the story of the strangely loyal family of Jaghut, and his guide is the female's mate. That was physically in 7C along the Chain of Dogs, but the Throne of Ice was in a warren. (And, because I'm abusing the Encyclopedia Malazica, I can even spam it):

'Each siege lasted centuries, the losses among the T'lan Imass staggering. Jaghut were anything but wanderers. When they chose a place...A strange bond, unique among the Jaghut. When the mother was in peril, the children returned, joined the battle. Then the father. Things...escalated...Duiker: She must have been...special...Is she your guide?...List: No. Her mate.'(DG, UK MMPB, p.769)

Blend;202407 said:

I was under the impression that Hood's part of the deal was to 'NOTICE' the Refugium, and make death come to that place.

I mean, isn't it stated that the Refugium has gone unnoticed, or ignored, by the Lord of Death for too long?

And isn't that weird, that a (theoretically) Jaghut god of death should let the Imass warren of Tellann exist unnoticed . . .

Another weird thing about Hood. Toc's soul went to him, despite the Wolves, because his father had pledged it to him long ago "and, unlike Dassem, remained loyal". Hood had also taken Dassem's daughter. What did he need the children of his followers for?

[Gem Windcaster]

The wind wasn't Hood - it was a fricking Dragon. Btw, if it really was Hood, then he did not want hedge to go where he went - the wind did try to make hedge stay, or whatever he/she was trying to do. But it didn't want Hedge anywhere near the place he actually went. So my guess is it was a Dragon.

[ShadowOwl]

IIRC, the 'wind' kept calling Hedge "my love" and I just can't see Hood saying that, so a dragon sounds like a good bet to me.

[Flawed]

I thought it was blatantly Hood.

Lend credit to the whole title of the book etc.

What makes you say Dragon then? It could be any minion of Hoods really.

There are little hints to it being Hood, the books title, the suggestion within the text that it maybe some old god not yet realising its dead. I think Hood didn't want Hedge to go in said direction otherwise the whole secret of the King of the Jaghuts and the regenerative realm where Scabbys soul was kept would be out.

Not sure about the above statement but i think it was defo Hood.

[Blend]

Everyone around here seems to think that the wind was Hood, whereas, while reading it, I never had any impression that it might be Hood.

Like Kerry said, would Hood call Hedge "My Love"? I doubt it. Also, don't you think that Hood would have an issue with a ghost wandering about when he clearly should have been in Hood's grasp. I always figured the god of Death would be angry when people messed with his system. I always just figured it was the memory of some being that inhabited the location they were in. *shrugs*

[Abyss]

I think Hedge pegged it - random dead thing trying to gain power by convincing Hedge to acceed to it.

- Abyss, does that on weekends.