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What we know for sure:
Kettle has an Eres soul.
Trull has a child with the Eres.
The Eres can time travel, so there are not issues with Kettle's age.
There's a statement (in BH I think) that the one who will heal Shadow is the child of a Tiste Edur. Everyone assumes this is Trull.
I think there's a missing piece, I'm forgetting a connection between
Kettle
&
Trull's child who will heal shadow
that makes it clear Kettle is Trull's child. But it certainly seems to be the case that Kettle is Trull's.
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 04:42 PM
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 06:11 PM
i thought she had a FA soul . where does it say that she had an eres soul.
i might have to reread MT to find that :S how could i have missed it twice
i might have to reread MT to find that :S how could i have missed it twice
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 06:15 PM
baudin;158382 said:
i thought she had a FA soul . where does it say that she had an eres soul.
i might have to reread MT to find that :S how could i have missed it twice
i might have to reread MT to find that :S how could i have missed it twice
I can't tell you where it is - hopefully someone else can jump in with the quote.
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 06:16 PM
She has two. Her original, which is the Eres/Edur soul, and the other, which was torn out of the FA Udinaas saw while visionhopping.
Hello, soldiers, look at your mage, now back to me, now back at your mage, now back to me. Sadly, he isn’t me, but if he stopped being an unascended mortal and switched to Sole Spice, he could smell like he’s me. Look down, back up, where are you? You’re in a warren with the High Mage your cadre mage could smell like. What’s in your hand, back at me. I have it, it’s an acorn with two gates to that realm you love. Look again, the acorn is now otataral. Anything is possible when your mage smells like Sole Spice and not a Bole brother. I’m on a quorl.
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 04:32 PM
Someone explain why this crazy theory isn't true. Been kicking around in my head for the last couple weeks.
What if Dassem Ultor is a great actor (ok, pretty much taken for granted if he staged his own death and has laid low for these many years) but what if he is a GREAT actor.
ST steps up to an old throne and needs a high priest. It just so happens that his #1 go to guy is available.
Is there any possiblity that Dassem = Iskarul Pust?
Ok, all the laughing and gagging aside, is there?
What if Dassem Ultor is a great actor (ok, pretty much taken for granted if he staged his own death and has laid low for these many years) but what if he is a GREAT actor.
ST steps up to an old throne and needs a high priest. It just so happens that his #1 go to guy is available.
Is there any possiblity that Dassem = Iskarul Pust?
Ok, all the laughing and gagging aside, is there?
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 07:31 PM
Iskaral Pust is Iskaral Pust, people. Not Kellanved, or anyone else.
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Posted 21 February 2007 - 10:28 PM
I thim Iskaral could be karsa's father... 
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 06:58 PM
Kalam.
I am wondering if he is unknowingly channeling the warren of time.
It is commented numerous times how he is just 'faster' than everyone else, and if I remember correctly, he says that when he starts fighting 'everyone else just slows down'. Could that be because he speeds up?
Hey, its the crazy theories thread, right? Yes/No/Maybe?
I am wondering if he is unknowingly channeling the warren of time.
It is commented numerous times how he is just 'faster' than everyone else, and if I remember correctly, he says that when he starts fighting 'everyone else just slows down'. Could that be because he speeds up?
Hey, its the crazy theories thread, right? Yes/No/Maybe?
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 07:23 PM
The warren of time?
Kalam is just so good at killing people he doesn't need to concern himself with trivialities like "time" while doing it.
Kalam is just so good at killing people he doesn't need to concern himself with trivialities like "time" while doing it.
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 07:35 PM
it was tied into the whole lost aspect/gods that they are discussing when they mention how hard it would be to control the azath houses when you are not even sure how many aspects there are.... And I was thinking maybe shadowthrone is attempting to not collect assassins, but collect 'captains' of 'aspects' that he has discovered, and so continue his bid to take over the Azath Houses. (But i have no evidence of this, other than possibly Kalam clicking into some magical skills to do his beat-downs)
so DM, you are implying that Kalam = Chuck Norris?
so DM, you are implying that Kalam = Chuck Norris?
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Posted 26 February 2007 - 11:15 PM
Obdigore;162942 said:
Kalam.
I am wondering if he is unknowingly channeling the warren of time.
It is commented numerous times how he is just 'faster' than everyone else, and if I remember correctly, he says that when he starts fighting 'everyone else just slows down'. Could that be because he speeds up?
Hey, its the crazy theories thread, right? Yes/No/Maybe?
I am wondering if he is unknowingly channeling the warren of time.
It is commented numerous times how he is just 'faster' than everyone else, and if I remember correctly, he says that when he starts fighting 'everyone else just slows down'. Could that be because he speeds up?
Hey, its the crazy theories thread, right? Yes/No/Maybe?
I just see that as him coming closer to Ascension. Some people get stronger, Kalam gets faster.
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 03:40 PM
Dolorous Menhir;153277 said:
It was supposed to be the old Jaghut warren of death, according to Ganath. Age-related maybe, but in the sense of old age, not a time-aspect.
On that topic, I was thinking this does a bit of damage to the "Hood is a Jaghut" theory. A theory which, mind you, I like as well.
I mean, if he's a Jaghut, but yet Ganath comments that Hood doesn't know about that realm (don't have the page reference, but I just posted elsewhere about it if you really need proof), then what gives? Why doesn't he know about it?
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 10:08 PM
Obdigore;162960 said:
it was tied into the whole lost aspect/gods that they are discussing when they mention how hard it would be to control the azath houses when you are not even sure how many aspects there are.... And I was thinking maybe shadowthrone is attempting to not collect assassins, but collect 'captains' of 'aspects' that he has discovered, and so continue his bid to take over the Azath Houses.
I think that is a really interesting idea, because it points a little bit towards what exactly ST and Cotillon's machinations are really about. And I always want to know what they are doing when their agents get stomped. If they can teleport and are all-powerful, what is taking up their time? Why are they always just a little bit too late to save people, or just in time to drag them off into an Azath house?
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Posted 27 February 2007 - 10:51 PM
Aztiel;163320 said:
I think that is a really interesting idea, because it points a little bit towards what exactly ST and Cotillon's machinations are really about. And I always want to know what they are doing when their agents get stomped. If they can teleport and are all-powerful, what is taking up their time? Why are they always just a little bit too late to save people, or just in time to drag them off into an Azath house?
I believe that ST wanted Kalam in the Deadhouse; he arrived exactly when he wanted to. The only thing he didn't plan on was Kalam stumbling due to the fact that a wall had been taken down. Otherwise, I think it's pretty clear he planned out the night. Cotillion was in position to aid Quick Ben, so he could not come to Kalam's aid, and again, it's clear that High House Shado got what it wanted.
This discussion on the collection of aspects is fascinating. What, I wonder, is Mappo aspected to?
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Posted 28 February 2007 - 02:50 PM
Where is Dassem Ultor?;163330 said:
I believe that ST wanted Kalam in the Deadhouse; he arrived exactly when he wanted to. The only thing he didn't plan on was Kalam stumbling due to the fact that a wall had been taken down. Otherwise, I think it's pretty clear he planned out the night. Cotillion was in position to aid Quick Ben, so he could not come to Kalam's aid, and again, it's clear that High House Shado got what it wanted.
This discussion on the collection of aspects is fascinating. What, I wonder, is Mappo aspected to?
This discussion on the collection of aspects is fascinating. What, I wonder, is Mappo aspected to?
I wonder if it will turn out that Mappo is aspected to Time, like the Crazy theory about Icarium proposes for Icarium's warren. By the way, I really like the theory that Icarium has time magic. If you think about it, he gets faster and deadlier the more his rage grows. I love the part at the end where he slices that Imass to tiny pieces before any of the pieces hit the ground, in something like 5-6 sword swings. Now THAT's fast!
At any rate, Mappo travelled with him for a long time, and I think the NO always kill the prior companion, probably not just to remove him from Icarium's side but also to remove him as a power in this world. Icarium's companions always live longer, thanks to the NO...much, much longer. Perhaps this is also tied to the power of time.
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 08:04 PM
Hey, another wild theory: Fisher Kel Tath (sp), quoted numerous times throughout the books in those pre-chapter vignettes, is...
dun dun dunnnnnnn
Apsalar's daddy!
No, but seriously, who is Fisher? Has this been discussed?
-Aaron, well he IS a fisher(man), right? *grumbles*
dun dun dunnnnnnn
Apsalar's daddy!
No, but seriously, who is Fisher? Has this been discussed?
-Aaron, well he IS a fisher(man), right? *grumbles*
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:42 PM
People reckon Fisher is a very old Jaghut, in a similar mode to Gothos in his Folly-writing mode. That's only because Fisher's writings appear to be so old, you would need to lifespan of a Jaghut.
There also appears to be a distinction. "Fisher kel Tath" writes of ancient events as if he were then present, by which I mean the excerpts themselves appear old. But "Fisher" writes of current events as if he is a direct or otherwise contemporary observer. And if "Fisher" and "Fisher kel Tath" are one and the same, as seems natural, then it must be a very long lived individual.
I suppose the link to Apsalar's dad is that he was a fisherman. Still, he was a simple man called Rellock. Not an extremely long-lived famous author called Fisher who, if human, must be a mage or ascendant in order to possess such a long lifespan.
There also appears to be a distinction. "Fisher kel Tath" writes of ancient events as if he were then present, by which I mean the excerpts themselves appear old. But "Fisher" writes of current events as if he is a direct or otherwise contemporary observer. And if "Fisher" and "Fisher kel Tath" are one and the same, as seems natural, then it must be a very long lived individual.
I suppose the link to Apsalar's dad is that he was a fisherman. Still, he was a simple man called Rellock. Not an extremely long-lived famous author called Fisher who, if human, must be a mage or ascendant in order to possess such a long lifespan.
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Posted 01 March 2007 - 11:54 PM
Could be Kallor, who masquerades as a historian/philosopher just for craps and giggles. He definately has the lifespan and seems to be everywhere. Wouldn't put it past SE from using a pen name, considering he does 
