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*Spoilers* - Crazy Theories II

#221 User is offline   Onrack the breakable 

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Posted 28 November 2006 - 05:18 AM

Hetan;138658 said:

Agrees with Blind about the wolf.

I don't see QB's sister being consort in chains at all.
She was left with Soliel iirc?
After what happened to her sister I don't see Soliel messing with the CG.. or anyone near her for that matter.

With reference to the House of War.... I wouldn't take those as being *fixed*. Fiddler himself says he doesn't think it's settled yet .


I have to disagree on all points. Except about the House of War cards, I never said they were fixed and in fact said they were subject to change.

Why does QB get the consort in chains in the card game? Then Fiddler says something like, "Quick gets the consort in chains but he's from seven cities and just saved his sisters life, so its not as bad as it could be.."

Soliel was sister to Poliel so sorta assume that whoever takes over the vacancy has to be approved by her, but maybe not.

Um, about QB being the wolf. Get real. When was QB ever sweet and lovely? Especially to his sister. He admits (to himself at least) that maybe he shouldn't have tormented her so much when they were younger.

About all the houses being filled, there were several times where the vacancys are mentioned plus the house listings in the back of all the books to date are almost totally empty. Also remeber, that Hood only took Baudin after giving him a lobotomy. He doesn't even remember his name. Now wouldn't you like to work for Hood? Not me.

Anyway, this is crazy theories but mine are at least somewhat supported by circumstancial evidence.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 05:50 PM

Onrack the breakable;139078 said:

Why does QB get the consort in chains in the card game? Then Fiddler says something like, "Quick gets the consort in chains but he's from seven cities and just saved his sisters life, so its not as bad as it could be.."


In that case, I believe that Fiddler's talking about how it would be a bad thing for Quick if he hadn't saved his sister. I doubt someone as minor as his sister would be chosen to be the Consort. Quick Ben himself being chosen as Consort is more likely than his sister being chosen, IMO.

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Soliel was sister to Poliel so sorta assume that whoever takes over the vacancy has to be approved by her, but maybe not.


The next Consort doesn't also have to be the God/dess of disease. The most likely candidate right now is probably Mowri.

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Um, about QB being the wolf. Get real. When was QB ever sweet and lovely? Especially to his sister. He admits (to himself at least) that maybe he shouldn't have tormented her so much when they were younger.


You answered your own question. He started being sweet and lovely to his sister during BH itself, when he went to rescue her, and began regretting tormenting her.

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Also remeber, that Hood only took Baudin after giving him a lobotomy. He doesn't even remember his name. Now wouldn't you like to work for Hood? Not me.


IIRC, it's stated that Baudin is happier with the lobotomy than he would've been without it.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:05 PM

Dark Mac;139267 said:

IIRC, it's stated that Baudin is happier with the lobotomy than he would've been without it.


Well, he's been spared his own memories of burning to death. That's not quite the same as "happier," but it's close.
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Posted 28 November 2006 - 06:12 PM

Quick Ben got the card because the Consort in Chains was Poliel... and he went to save his sister from her. He wasn't to know that Paran would get there first :D
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:36 PM

What Evidence is there to support that Soliel and Poliel are actual sisters? I mean they represent opposite aspects. Why does the role of Mistress of disease need to be filled? Can't D'rek take over?

Also, What are the odds of Silverfox plunking her sweet ass into that First Throne?
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:43 PM

Onrack the breakable;138617 said:

Also in the house of war are Tog & Fanderay - Lords of War (ruling card), mercenary- unknown, Icarium-Lifeslayer, Chained God- Deathslayer, The Soldier/Army- unknown, and Treach - Hunter.
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You Mean to say that the Crippled GOD is in the house of WAR? Isn't Treach the Lord of war? why is he mentioned as the hunter? this all seems to messed up
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 09:58 PM

DelumThord;139703 said:

What Evidence is there to support that Soliel and Poliel are actual sisters? I mean they represent opposite aspects. Why does the role of Mistress of disease need to be filled? Can't D'rek take over?


All the people calling them "sisters" was what convinced me.

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Also, What are the odds of Silverfox plunking her sweet ass into that First Throne?


Pretty high, considering that's the whole point of the first mortal Bonecaster in 300,000 years.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 11:26 PM

Dolorous Menhir;139727 said:

Pretty high, considering that's the whole point of the first mortal Bonecaster in 300,000 years.


Then why didn't the Imass ask for her to take the throne? Instead they ask for her to basically kill them.
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Posted 29 November 2006 - 11:29 PM

I think Shadowthrone might have something to say about that too
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 01:29 PM

Soliel and Poliel were originally Forkrul Assail (from the description of Poliel given in BH, and the intimation that the Sisters balance each other out - which is about as FA as it gets).

Icarium now has all of his memories back (thanks to the E'res at the end of BH) but, contrary to the concerns fostered by the Nameless Ones, he seems to have come out of it in control of his Rage and with a new purpose in life.

Many of the major characters featured in the series have been selected by K'rul to Ascend - in one way or another - and become a new generation of gods once the current Pantheon gets shredded in the coming War.
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Posted 03 January 2007 - 04:49 PM

DelumThord;139762 said:

Then why didn't the Imass ask for her to take the throne? Instead they ask for her to basically kill them.


They don't want to be ruled... they want death/dissolution.

DelumThord;139711 said:

You Mean to say that the Crippled GOD is in the house of WAR? Isn't Treach the Lord of war? why is he mentioned as the hunter? this all seems to messed up


Treach is Hunter in House of War. The Lords of War are Togg and Fanderay.

It's not certain that the other cards within that house are set in stone according to Fiddler - and he pretty much knows a lot more about the Deck than a lot of others.
"I have real doubts about that version," Fiddler replied. "That whole House in fact. I'm thinking the maker was confused, or maybe what she saw was confused - "
I think that includes the Lifeslayer and Deathslayer cards.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:05 AM

There IS a warren/realm of time, and Hedge claimed it for the Bridgeburners after Paran blew him off. This explains why Iskar Jarak (Whiskey Jack) shows up in the Arapay people's distant past.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:34 AM

Iskar Jarak didn't appear in the distant past though. The Anibar seem to think in short timescales.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:44 AM

Hmm.. the realm where Paran crossed the bridge...released the Deragoth.. it was the Nascent? And we assume the Nascent is part of KE or something? They described it as being somehow "under" Hood's realm.. a forgotten realm... I remember feeling that when it was being described, it fit the concept of "time".

I'll have to look it up I guess.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 12:53 AM

It was supposed to be the old Jaghut warren of death, according to Ganath. Age-related maybe, but in the sense of old age, not a time-aspect.
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Posted 23 January 2007 - 06:45 PM

First post, sorry if this has been covered before.

As far as i can tell, there are two swords that need to be broken. The first is Dragnipur, assuming that Draconus is telling the truth. This is a huge assumption, but i'm not going to question it here. The second sword that needs to be broken is Rhulad's, assuming that this would be the end of him, and that this would be a good thing. Not as big an assumption as the first one, I think.

My theory is that a clash between these two swords would represent a clash between chaos and darkness, and that this clash will result in breaking them both, thus resolving the whole sword problem.

Obviously, this will free a whole lot of nasties from Dragnipur, resulting in a situation hairier than Hood's balls. Lucky then, that superb clean-up team Karsa & Iccy is there to put things right.

Or not.
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Posted 24 January 2007 - 08:33 AM

Just random loony theoriness, haven't really read the rest of the thread:


Mostly, I believe that Paran will solve the Imperial problem, with Korbolo Dom and Mallick Rel. This may involve Laseen dying, but no big loss. Paran doesn't seem likely headed anywhere but back to Unta, or even Malaz City, and Apsalar is conveniently waiting there. He also seems unlikely to let Tayschrenn avoid attention.

So, there in Malaz he has a right hand assassin and a left hand High Mage, sitting around with nothing really to do; as well as a rather large army inclined to fight on his behalf - and if any Seven Cities types come along with him instead of just staying at Aren, maybe he can turn them loose on the Wickan Plains to help against the pogrom.

Personally, I think Ganoes Paran is rather likely to wind up Emperor.
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Posted 08 February 2007 - 10:19 PM

Was K'rul the first master of the deck?

When you arrange all the houses/holds/warrens successfully you become master in the sense of author or something?

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Posted 11 February 2007 - 12:30 AM

In BH Cotillion mentions to the dragons that Shadowthrone in the Shadowrealm is a shadow, and the person casting that shadow is none other than Iskaral Pust!
The resurrection at the end of the series is going to be of the CG, restored back to his benevolent previous self, and that is when Salvation breaks free from the influence of the House of Chains and becomes the most powerful force.
Whiskeyjack is Iskar Jarak, who is King of the Unfound Time, so Whiskeyjack becomes time aspected!
Edit: Toc the Elder is Fisher.
And isn't Icarium's other half Tartheno Toblakai?
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Posted 11 February 2007 - 01:07 PM

ok i was just wondering you all seem to be pretty sure that the candidate for the throne of shadow is kettle , why is this , i know that its meant be the child of trull and the eres but what evidence is there that this is kettle? because i didnt spot it when i was reading through. i always thought she had something to do with FA not TE
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