[Keysi]

Kallor is listed as an Ascendent.... interesting.

Caladan Brood is also mentioned as being a man and human at times. Though this one I just put down to whoever said it being wrong or maybe even a retcon.

[D'rek]

Ascendant is a pretty vague term anyways.

[Aptorian]

"It's you! Delat! You shape-shifting bastard!"

Ah, I've missed these little Quick Ben moments.

[champ]

Aptorian, on 18 January 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

"It's you! Delat! You shape-shifting bastard!"

Ah, I've missed these little Quick Ben moments.

That is one of my favourite scenes in the book!! It is crazy to think that we still do not fully know who QB really is...

I haven't had much time to read lately but I'll be able to put in a shift over this week and next!

[Abyss]

Keysi, on 16 January 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

Kallor is listed as an Ascendent.... interesting.

Caladan Brood is also mentioned as being a man and human at times. Though this one I just put down to whoever said it being wrong or maybe even a retcon.

D, on 16 January 2020 - 09:29 PM, said:

Ascendant is a pretty vague term anyways.

Re Kallor, just passed this prescript to ch 10...

Quote

Kallor said: "I walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I have commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I have spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?"

"Yes," said Caladan Brood, "you never learn."

CONVERSATIONS OF WAR (SECOND IN COMMAND KALLOR SPEAKING WITH WARLORD CALADAN BROOD),
RECORDED BY OUTRIDER
HURLOCHEL, 6TH ARMY

I had utterly forgotten this appeared in GotM (or maybe it didn't in my printing....).

champ, on 21 January 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 18 January 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

"It's you! Delat! You shape-shifting bastard!"

Ah, I've missed these little Quick Ben moments.

That is one of my favourite scenes in the book!! It is crazy to think that we still do not fully know who QB really is...

...

Loved that. Establishes QB early on as a trickster more than a powerhouse, so much much later when we realize he is in fact a powerhouse it's even more surprising, no matter how cheesy

Quote

"Awaken the Seven within me!" Quick Ben roared

may seem.

And to this day i wonder whether SE intended that as QB deliberately shouting 'seven' to mislead, or at the time he was supposed to have seven, not twelve souls and who knows how many warrens.




Relatedly a page later is this scene,,,,

Quote

Derudan grabbed a handful of the wizard’s cloak. “Wizard! Listen to me!”
Another Warren was driven away. Quick Ben shook his head. “I’m done.”

“Listen! That man—the one over there—what’s he doing?”

Quick Ben looked up. “Hood’s Breath!” he yelled, in sudden terror. A dozen paces away crouched Hedge, only his head and shoulders showing behind a bench. The saboteur’s eyes shone with a manic glaze that the wizard recognized, and a large, bulky arbalest was in his hands, pointed directly at Mammot.

A wordless, wailing scream came from Hedge.

The wizard shouted and dived for the woman a second time. As he flew through the air, he heard the thock of the saboteur’s crossbow. Quick Ben closed his eyes before colliding once again with the woman.

Bloody Hedge... i laughed SO hard this time.

[Aptorian]

The fact that he was once a High-Priest of shadow is interesting.

I don't really want to know his background or who all his souls are but Delat the man, must have been formidable in his own right one assumes. And somewhat familiar with Kel and Dancer, maybe? At least in their official religious roles? Or was it a rivalry? Quon Tali shadow cults versus 7C? Shit, imagine an Esslemont prequel book where Quick Ben is a character opposing the Malazan invasion of 7C.

[Abyss]

Aptorian, on 21 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

The fact that he was once a High-Priest of shadow is interesting.

I don't really want to know his background or who all his souls are but Delat the man, must have been formidable in his own right one assumes. And somewhat familiar with Kel and Dancer, maybe? At least in their official religious roles? Or was it a rivalry? Quon Tali shadow cults versus 7C? Shit, imagine an Esslemont prequel book where Quick Ben is a character opposing the Malazan invasion of 7C.

I don't think we've seen anything to suggest involvement with Kellanved and Dancer pre Raraku and the Bridgeburners... tho we don't know about all his souls.


There's obviously a lot to QB and since the first two KT books multiple peple have raised the suggestion he's descended from an Azathanii.

[Traveller]

I found all those QB quotes super cheesy this time around.

Still good, but very melodramatic!

[champ]

Bachelor King, on 21 January 2020 - 05:38 PM, said:

He’s the son/relative of Draconus.

When reading FoD I was more leaning towards Korya Delath than Arathan for QB if anyone.

[Keysi]

Abyss, on 21 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

Keysi, on 16 January 2020 - 08:34 AM, said:

Kallor is listed as an Ascendent.... interesting.

Caladan Brood is also mentioned as being a man and human at times. Though this one I just put down to whoever said it being wrong or maybe even a retcon.

D, on 16 January 2020 - 09:29 PM, said:

Ascendant is a pretty vague term anyways.

Re Kallor, just passed this prescript to ch 10...

Quote

Kallor said: "I walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I have commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I have spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?"

"Yes," said Caladan Brood, "you never learn."

CONVERSATIONS OF WAR (SECOND IN COMMAND KALLOR SPEAKING WITH WARLORD CALADAN BROOD),
RECORDED BY OUTRIDER
HURLOCHEL, 6TH ARMY

I had utterly forgotten this appeared in GotM (or maybe it didn't in my printing....).

champ, on 21 January 2020 - 02:14 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 18 January 2020 - 07:50 PM, said:

"It's you! Delat! You shape-shifting bastard!"

Ah, I've missed these little Quick Ben moments.

That is one of my favourite scenes in the book!! It is crazy to think that we still do not fully know who QB really is...

...

Loved that. Establishes QB early on as a trickster more than a powerhouse, so much much later when we realize he is in fact a powerhouse it's even more surprising, no matter how cheesy

Quote

"Awaken the Seven within me!" Quick Ben roared

may seem.

And to this day i wonder whether SE intended that as QB deliberately shouting 'seven' to mislead, or at the time he was supposed to have seven, not twelve souls and who knows how many warrens.




Relatedly a page later is this scene,,,,

Quote

Derudan grabbed a handful of the wizard’s cloak. “Wizard! Listen to me!”
Another Warren was driven away. Quick Ben shook his head. “I’m done.”

“Listen! That man—the one over there—what’s he doing?”

Quick Ben looked up. “Hood’s Breath!” he yelled, in sudden terror. A dozen paces away crouched Hedge, only his head and shoulders showing behind a bench. The saboteur’s eyes shone with a manic glaze that the wizard recognized, and a large, bulky arbalest was in his hands, pointed directly at Mammot.

A wordless, wailing scream came from Hedge.

The wizard shouted and dived for the woman a second time. As he flew through the air, he heard the thock of the saboteur’s crossbow. Quick Ben closed his eyes before colliding once again with the woman.

Bloody Hedge... i laughed SO hard this time.

I have my own theory on Kallor and ascendency, which I may have posted ages ago when I was reading Kharkanas. It's hinted at a few times regarding some sort of powering up, especially with regards to Draconus' son and daughters. I'd explain it again now nut I'm on holiday and kinda tipsy.

I also note that Brood is referred to in several different ways in this book and throughout the series. Human. Barghast Ascendant. And finally as the Azathani we know and love.

Also, lots of references to Fiddler being a pretty terrible soldier and crappie with a sword in GotM, he seems to be doing pretty well by the end. Fcuks up a Nahruk with a sword if I remember correctly.

This post has been edited by Keysi: 21 January 2020 - 06:53 PM

[Abyss]

Keysi, on 21 January 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

I also note that Brood is referred to in several different ways in this book and throughout the series. Human. Barghast Ascendant. And finally as the Azathani we know and love.

I put that down to people just not knowing what he actually is.

Quote

Also, lots of references to Fiddler being a pretty terrible soldier and crappie with a sword in GotM, he seems to be doing pretty well by the end. Fcuks up a Nahruk with a sword if I remember correctly.

Bad with a sword, yes.
Pain in the ass probably. Bad soldier, i don't think so tho i see how it might read that way.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

I've been progressing interminably through GotM on this reread due to real life busy-ness (I just played my first D&D session!). On one hand, this languorous pace has allowed me to deeply enjoy each chapter so far (and y'all's reactions/insights to them).

On the other hand, I haven't even gotten out of Pale yet — Paran was just rejuvenated by Oponns' machinations. I need to pick up the pace before I get a sharper in the behind (or, even worse for my reader's ego, people start comparing me to BK!).

This post has been edited by Whisperzzzzzzz: 21 January 2020 - 09:52 PM

[Keysi]

Whiskykack call him and Hedge bad soldiers. I'll fi d the quote tomorrow when I have the book and am sober.

[Keysi]

Abyss, on 21 January 2020 - 08:50 PM, said:

Keysi, on 21 January 2020 - 06:42 PM, said:

I also note that Brood is referred to in several different ways in this book and throughout the series. Human. Barghast Ascendant. And finally as the Azathani we know and love.

I put that down to people just not knowing what he actually is.

Quote

Also, lots of references to Fiddler being a pretty terrible soldier and crappie with a sword in GotM, he seems to be doing pretty well by the end. Fcuks up a Nahruk with a sword if I remember correctly.

Bad with a sword, yes.
Pain in the ass probably. Bad soldier, i don't think so tho i see how it might read that way.

Page 430 of the paperback version I reading, Whiskykack having an inner monologue"To Whiskyjack's mind, Hedge and Fiddler were terrible soldiers"

[Keysi]

Why did Shadowthrone and The Rope so badly want to kill Oponn in GotM? Just because Oponn likes to fuck with everything and that's their job?

Also, I assumed Oponn would be far more involved in the entire story. It took many books before I stopped waiting on something significant

[Aptorian]

Nobody likes Oponn. Though Caladan Brood seemed oddly disgusted when Crone intimated that Rake wanted to kill them.

I wish they'd been more present during the series as well. The aspect of luck and chaos is a cool foil.

[D'rek]

Abyss, on 21 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

Re Kallor, just passed this prescript to ch 10...

Quote

Kallor said: "I walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I have commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I have spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?"

"Yes," said Caladan Brood, "you never learn."

CONVERSATIONS OF WAR (SECOND IN COMMAND KALLOR SPEAKING WITH WARLORD CALADAN BROOD),
RECORDED BY OUTRIDER
HURLOCHEL, 6TH ARMY

I had utterly forgotten this appeared in GotM (or maybe it didn't in my printing....).

This is one of the (maybe the only?) bits that oddly appears twice. The very same lines come up again in Memories of Ice.

[D'rek]

Aptorian, on 21 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

The fact that he was once a High-Priest of shadow is interesting.

I don't really want to know his background or who all his souls are but Delat the man, must have been formidable in his own right one assumes. And somewhat familiar with Kel and Dancer, maybe? At least in their official religious roles? Or was it a rivalry? Quon Tali shadow cults versus 7C? Shit, imagine an Esslemont prequel book where Quick Ben is a character opposing the Malazan invasion of 7C.

Abyss, on 21 January 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

I don't think we've seen anything to suggest involvement with Kellanved and Dancer pre Raraku and the Bridgeburners... tho we don't know about all his souls.

There's obviously a lot to QB and since the first two KT books multiple peple have raised the suggestion he's descended from an Azathanii.

The other big info pointing towards Delat being formerly very involved with Kel/Dancer and the Shadow Priesthood that I can remember is Lostara Yil remembering her time spent as a Shadow Dancer in Bidithal's chapter of the Shadow/Rashan Cult/Religion. Delat and Dancer infiltrated that chapter of the cult and assassinated almost everyone, with Delat having gotten in either by impersonating a High Priest or else by *being* a High Priest of the cult.

[Keysi]

D, on 22 January 2020 - 04:05 PM, said:

Abyss, on 21 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

Re Kallor, just passed this prescript to ch 10...

Quote

Kallor said: "I walked this land when the T'lan Imass were but children. I have commanded armies a hundred thousand strong. I have spread the fire of my wrath across entire continents, and sat alone upon tall thrones. Do you grasp the meaning of this?"

"Yes," said Caladan Brood, "you never learn."

CONVERSATIONS OF WAR (SECOND IN COMMAND KALLOR SPEAKING WITH WARLORD CALADAN BROOD),
RECORDED BY OUTRIDER
HURLOCHEL, 6TH ARMY

I had utterly forgotten this appeared in GotM (or maybe it didn't in my printing....).

This is one of the (maybe the only?) bits that oddly appears twice. The very same lines come up again in Memories of Ice.

It's reported as a piece of history in GotM then actually happens in MoI. I think that's pretty cool considering the whole story is a history of sorts. Beautiful.

[Keysi]

D, on 22 January 2020 - 04:27 PM, said:

Aptorian, on 21 January 2020 - 02:56 PM, said:

The fact that he was once a High-Priest of shadow is interesting.

I don't really want to know his background or who all his souls are but Delat the man, must have been formidable in his own right one assumes. And somewhat familiar with Kel and Dancer, maybe? At least in their official religious roles? Or was it a rivalry? Quon Tali shadow cults versus 7C? Shit, imagine an Esslemont prequel book where Quick Ben is a character opposing the Malazan invasion of 7C.

Abyss, on 21 January 2020 - 04:09 PM, said:

I don't think we've seen anything to suggest involvement with Kellanved and Dancer pre Raraku and the Bridgeburners... tho we don't know about all his souls.

There's obviously a lot to QB and since the first two KT books multiple peple have raised the suggestion he's descended from an Azathanii.

The other big info pointing towards Delat being formerly very involved with Kel/Dancer and the Shadow Priesthood that I can remember is Lostara Yil remembering her time spent as a Shadow Dancer in Bidithal's chapter of the Shadow/Rashan Cult/Religion. Delat and Dancer infiltrated that chapter of the cult and assassinated almost everyone, with Delat having gotten in either by impersonating a High Priest or else by *being* a High Priest of the cult.

I think Delat sexed her.