[QuickTidal]

 D, on 29 April 2019 - 06:01 PM, said:

That could work, I guess. Means the Fantastic Four are mutants, though?

I mean, they've always kind of straddled that line anyways. The Mutant Gene in Mutants is no different than the radiation that the FF encounter in space that creates them...just the catalyst that makes it happen to give them powers. It's a really nice way to dovetail the two groups together.

Considering the powers the FF have are essentially the same as some Mutant powers, it works.

And Salt-Man, yes the X-Gene is a thing...but no reason that needs to stay the same in the MCU version of the characters. And perhaps the Gamma Rays trigger a dormant gene in some humans. Problem solved.

 Maark Abbott, on 29 April 2019 - 06:09 PM, said:

Oh god not Galactus. Anything but a vague cloud again. Please.

Galactus as space cloud is bad....but Galactus as his real comic book character, is big, scary AF, and great.

And considering we are going to be introduced to the Eternals (of which Thanos is one....who were created, in earths history by the Celestials)...Galactus is the one who keeps them (The Celestials) in check....so having him as an overarching villain for the next phase arc only makes sense. Feige also loves the character, and he was seemingly teased in GOTG when the Collector is describing the stones. A world is shown in which the Celestial is destroying a planet with the Power stone and it's rumoured that this is the planet that the sentence that becomes Galactus was born on, Taa. So that lines up too.

I expect we will get some smaller big bad's in the standalone movies, like Doom, Red Hulk, (real) Mandarin, Morgan LeFay, Norman Osborne/Green Goblin, Dormammu (in a closer form than what we've seen him in)...but I truly believe that we are heading for Galactus in Thanos's place as the arc villain of the next Phases.

Also, don't be surprised if LATE in the next Phases, we see a version of Thanos return to fight on the side of good.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 29 April 2019 - 06:44 PM

[Maark Abbott]

I was very much a fan of Thanos' portrayal, in that he isn't evil at all. It's more blue and orange morality crossed with well-intentioned extremist. Of course, that slipped a little when he states he's going to enjoy destroying earth very much, but I'd not be hugely surprised if an incarnation of him was on the heroic side in the future.

[QuickTidal]

 Maark Abbott, on 29 April 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

I was very much a fan of Thanos' portrayal, in that he isn't evil at all. It's more blue and orange morality crossed with well-intentioned extremist. Of course, that slipped a little when he states he's going to enjoy destroying earth very much, but I'd not be hugely surprised if an incarnation of him was on the heroic side in the future.

It's what they do with him eventually in the comics, so I could see it happening here too.

[D'rek]

Sure, there same-ish in terms of how their powers work... and for that matter Spiderman, Hulk, and many others can be, too. But thematically the mutants have the whole racism allegories/persecution themes that the other "mutant-like" superheroes don't. How do you think they would handle those, then? Or do you think the MCU won't want to tackle those at all?

[QuickTidal]

 D, on 29 April 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

Sure, there same-ish in terms of how their powers work... and for that matter Spiderman, Hulk, and many others can be, too. But thematically the mutants have the whole racism allegories/persecution themes that the other "mutant-like" superheroes don't. How do you think they would handle those, then? Or do you think the MCU won't want to tackle those at all?

They won't. Those have been largely tackled in the X-Men movies since 2000...there's really no reason to visit it again in the same manner.

Don't get me wrong, however they bring them in, it will be an present connotation...but we won't spend movies and movies doing the Charles "MLK" Xavier and Erik "Malcom X" Lensherr thing again. They might show persecution, but the allegories that have been a major part of the X-movies till now won't be as heavy. Think Ultimate X-Men, and not Uncanny X-Men.

Which I should note, it's also possible that if the X-Men come in they won't be from our universe at all, and possibly from an alternate one (we can get Miles Morales in this way too)...if the Gamma Ray thing only applies to the FF.

But yes, I don't expect to see MCU X-Men movies to rehash what we've spent 20 years with already story-wise.

I'm also wondering if they will use a reshoot they are currently doing on DARK PHOENIX to do a post-credits scene where Jean essentially causes the reboot of the series that will end up in the MCU.

[champ]

I was thinking about this and how best to introduce the Fantastic Four into the Marvel Universe...

I'd like to see it happen in another Marvel film, preferably happening off screen... news alert to an accident in space, family of four in "hospital," that way we avoid going through another full on origin film for them, or say one of our heroes is made aware of an incident and investigates but however it happens, I cannot wait for them to be in the Marvel Universe, mainly because it gives us gateway to Doom...

I think the biggest question is how they introduce the X-Men without any retcon.

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[D'rek]

 QuickTidal, on 29 April 2019 - 07:23 PM, said:

 D, on 29 April 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

Sure, there same-ish in terms of how their powers work... and for that matter Spiderman, Hulk, and many others can be, too. But thematically the mutants have the whole racism allegories/persecution themes that the other "mutant-like" superheroes don't. How do you think they would handle those, then? Or do you think the MCU won't want to tackle those at all?

They won't. Those have been largely tackled in the X-Men movies since 2000...there's really no reason to visit it again in the same manner.

Don't get me wrong, however they bring them in, it will be an present connotation...but we won't spend movies and movies doing the Charles "MLK" Xavier and Erik "Malcom X" Lensherr thing again. They might show persecution, but the allegories that have been a major part of the X-movies till now won't be as heavy. Think Ultimate X-Men, and not Uncanny X-Men.

Which I should note, it's also possible that if the X-Men come in they won't be from our universe at all, and possibly from an alternate one (we can get Miles Morales in this way too)...if the Gamma Ray thing only applies to the FF.

But yes, I don't expect to see MCU X-Men movies to rehash what we've spent 20 years with already story-wise.

I'm also wondering if they will use a reshoot they are currently doing on DARK PHOENIX to do a post-credits scene where Jean essentially causes the reboot of the series that will end up in the MCU.

I think they *have* to do some degree of it. Agreed, not in the way the previous films have done it. But if you don't give the mutants any sort of separation from society, then why even have an X-Men team at all? Why wouldn't, say, Cyclops just become a local superhero and then join the avengers similar to Spiderman? I think they need to give the mutants a reason to, for lack of a better word, segregate themselves from the other superheroes if they want to keep the X-Men + Xavier school format, and I think there's no way Disney/Marvel doesn't try to keep that separate team format for them, rather than just use them as individual characters added to the MCU.

[Coco with marshmallows]

all i will say is that shot of Cap standing alone facing down Thanos and his armies?

I want a painting of that.

A big one.

[Gem Windcaster]

From just recalling the movie after one single viewing, there's a couple of moments that I can't get out of my head, in no particular order:

- Spider-man curled with the gauntlet while fire rages from the sky and fighting is going on all around him - still just a kid, but in the middle of a battle that the world has never before seen.

- Cap standing alone facing the Thanos entire army (before the reinforcements come along) - the shot is hauntingly beautiful.

- The rat - there would have been no movie without the rat.

- The look on black widow's face as she asks Hawkeye to let her go.

- Nebula gently putting a sleeping Stark in the chair of Milano.

- "I'm inevitable" - "I'm Iron man"

- The ancient one and Banner discussing the implications of time travel.

And so, so many more...

I usually never gasp or make sounds while watching a movie in the cinema, but oh man did this movie move me. I don't feel I really have the words for it right now, I'd have to watch it a couple of more times and let it sink in to have an even remotely balanced view on it.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 30 April 2019 - 03:29 AM

[Maark Abbott]

 QuickTidal, on 29 April 2019 - 07:05 PM, said:

 Maark Abbott, on 29 April 2019 - 06:50 PM, said:

I was very much a fan of Thanos' portrayal, in that he isn't evil at all. It's more blue and orange morality crossed with well-intentioned extremist. Of course, that slipped a little when he states he's going to enjoy destroying earth very much, but I'd not be hugely surprised if an incarnation of him was on the heroic side in the future.

It's what they do with him eventually in the comics, so I could see it happening here too.

I was actually sort of hoping Endgame was going to involve humanity on the brink again, Thanos winning, and then setting up Living Tribunal. But this way we could expand into the multiverse a little more...

[QuickTidal]

 D, on 29 April 2019 - 07:36 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 29 April 2019 - 07:23 PM, said:

 D, on 29 April 2019 - 07:06 PM, said:

Sure, there same-ish in terms of how their powers work... and for that matter Spiderman, Hulk, and many others can be, too. But thematically the mutants have the whole racism allegories/persecution themes that the other "mutant-like" superheroes don't. How do you think they would handle those, then? Or do you think the MCU won't want to tackle those at all?

They won't. Those have been largely tackled in the X-Men movies since 2000...there's really no reason to visit it again in the same manner.

Don't get me wrong, however they bring them in, it will be an present connotation...but we won't spend movies and movies doing the Charles "MLK" Xavier and Erik "Malcom X" Lensherr thing again. They might show persecution, but the allegories that have been a major part of the X-movies till now won't be as heavy. Think Ultimate X-Men, and not Uncanny X-Men.

Which I should note, it's also possible that if the X-Men come in they won't be from our universe at all, and possibly from an alternate one (we can get Miles Morales in this way too)...if the Gamma Ray thing only applies to the FF.

But yes, I don't expect to see MCU X-Men movies to rehash what we've spent 20 years with already story-wise.

I'm also wondering if they will use a reshoot they are currently doing on DARK PHOENIX to do a post-credits scene where Jean essentially causes the reboot of the series that will end up in the MCU.

I think they *have* to do some degree of it. Agreed, not in the way the previous films have done it. But if you don't give the mutants any sort of separation from society, then why even have an X-Men team at all? Why wouldn't, say, Cyclops just become a local superhero and then join the avengers similar to Spiderman? I think they need to give the mutants a reason to, for lack of a better word, segregate themselves from the other superheroes if they want to keep the X-Men + Xavier school format, and I think there's no way Disney/Marvel doesn't try to keep that separate team format for them, rather than just use them as individual characters added to the MCU.

I think you're overthinking it. They don't need to explain to you why the X-Men are different in the MCU, because they are really not. They can just be a sect of humanity that had a gene that "activated" when the Gamma rays went out during Infinity War/Endgame, and 5 years later we have 'mutants'. So you can pull some of the socio-political things out of that, but unless they are coming from an Alt-Universe, I can't see them retconning in say Magneto's struggle as a mutant since WWII, for example. I would expect an update like every other character they've done.

Captain Marvel, for example, is the Kelly Sue Deconnick version of the character and origin, and she's (as she is in the MCU) literally only existed since like 2011 in the comics. They ignored ALL of the previous (male) history of the character.

Black Panther is literally a composite of the recent Ta Nehisi Coates version of the character which is relatively recent.

So the X-Men can very much just BE and not have to suffer their own past...but can still be "treated" differently because so many Mutants are not superheroes, but "freaks" that have weird powers, and looks, you know?

[QuickTidal]

Fuck. I was listening to the soundtrack on Spotify walking down the street this morning and this track made me well-the-fuck-up with tears.

[Abyss]

 Khellendros, on 29 April 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

I know I shouldn't get hung up on the details (and I did really enjoy the film), but doesn't Thor taking the hammer mean past Thor no longer has a hammer?

They were all about putting the stones back so that no alternate timelines are created, but that was something they didn't 'put back'.

Obviously there's a hundred more time travel-based questions, but that was just the one that stayed with me.

Had that thought too, figured since 2014 Thanos left the timeline, that hammerless Thor wont have a lot of the mess 2023 Thor had to deal with.
And if Ragnarok still happens anyways it doesn't really matter.

[Abyss]

 Coco with marshmallows, on 29 April 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

all i will say is that shot of Cap standing alone facing down Thanos and his armies?

I want a painting of that.

A big one.

That whole sequence, from him getting pounded, getting up, tightening the strap on the broken shield... walking forward alone against a frikkin space army... then "Cap... on your left."





...i REALLY need to see this again.

[Gem Windcaster]

 Abyss, on 30 April 2019 - 03:37 PM, said:

 Coco with marshmallows, on 29 April 2019 - 08:54 PM, said:

all i will say is that shot of Cap standing alone facing down Thanos and his armies?

I want a painting of that.

A big one.

That whole sequence, from him getting pounded, getting up, tightening the strap on the broken shield... walking forward alone against a frikkin space army... then "Cap... on your left."





...i REALLY need to see this again.

Yeah that shot was really breathtakingly beautiful.

[QuickTidal]

 Abyss, on 30 April 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

 Khellendros, on 29 April 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

I know I shouldn't get hung up on the details (and I did really enjoy the film), but doesn't Thor taking the hammer mean past Thor no longer has a hammer?

They were all about putting the stones back so that no alternate timelines are created, but that was something they didn't 'put back'.

Obviously there's a hundred more time travel-based questions, but that was just the one that stayed with me.

Had that thought too, figured since 2014 Thanos left the timeline, that hammerless Thor wont have a lot of the mess 2023 Thor had to deal with.
And if Ragnarok still happens anyways it doesn't really matter.

This is solved in the movie.

Cap takes the hammer back to where Thor took it from. He has it with him on the platform when he jumps to take the stones back to their respective places.

It also matters less than people think since the hammer just comes when he calls it...no matter how far or where from.

[Andorion]

 QuickTidal, on 30 April 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

 Abyss, on 30 April 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

 Khellendros, on 29 April 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

I know I shouldn't get hung up on the details (and I did really enjoy the film), but doesn't Thor taking the hammer mean past Thor no longer has a hammer?

They were all about putting the stones back so that no alternate timelines are created, but that was something they didn't 'put back'.

Obviously there's a hundred more time travel-based questions, but that was just the one that stayed with me.

Had that thought too, figured since 2014 Thanos left the timeline, that hammerless Thor wont have a lot of the mess 2023 Thor had to deal with.
And if Ragnarok still happens anyways it doesn't really matter.

This is solved in the movie.

Cap takes the hammer back to where Thor took it from. He has it with him on the platform when he jumps to take the stones back to their respective places.

It also matters less than people think since the hammer just comes when he calls it...no matter how far or where from.

This is totally going to happen in the next GotG.

Thor wakes up stretches, in the process raising his hand, Mjolnir flies to him out of the void, punching a hole in the ship, Quill freaks out, Drax laughs.

[QuickTidal]

Things I didn't notice.

Howard the Duck was in the mass battle scene, comes out with the Ravagers. AMAZING.

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Also, I'm trying to decide what's a better T-shirt to get: "I love you 3000" or "On Your Left"

[Abyss]

 QuickTidal, on 30 April 2019 - 04:48 PM, said:

 Abyss, on 30 April 2019 - 03:35 PM, said:

 Khellendros, on 29 April 2019 - 01:49 PM, said:

I know I shouldn't get hung up on the details (and I did really enjoy the film), but doesn't Thor taking the hammer mean past Thor no longer has a hammer?

They were all about putting the stones back so that no alternate timelines are created, but that was something they didn't 'put back'.

Obviously there's a hundred more time travel-based questions, but that was just the one that stayed with me.

Had that thought too, figured since 2014 Thanos left the timeline, that hammerless Thor wont have a lot of the mess 2023 Thor had to deal with.
And if Ragnarok still happens anyways it doesn't really matter.

This is solved in the movie.

Cap takes the hammer back to where Thor took it from. He has it with him on the platform when he jumps to take the stones back to their respective places.

It also matters less than people think since the hammer just comes when he calls it...no matter how far or where from.

Oh right, that too. I forgot he had it with him.

[Gem Windcaster]

 QuickTidal, on 30 April 2019 - 05:01 PM, said:

Also, I'm trying to decide what's a better T-shirt to get: "I love you 3000" or "On Your Left"

Why not both? 'I love you 3k' on the front and 'on your left' on the back - for people to see when you run ahead of them in the park.

This post has been edited by Gem Windcaster: 30 April 2019 - 05:57 PM