[QuickTidal]

TEASER, and show title.

Fuck me, I can has it NOW PLEASE?!

[champ]

QuickTidal, on 19 January 2022 - 05:10 PM, said:

TEASER, and show title.

Fuck me, I can has it NOW PLEASE?!

First two eps 1 hour 30 min runtime too which is epic in itself if true! Cannot wait!

[Tiste Simeon]

O dang

[QuickTidal]

Also, that whole sequence was done practically...no CGI...which is IMPRESSIVE. I though it was CGI, but they created all that practical and filmed it.

If anyone wants to know why WOT seems like it has a rank budget...this is why. Bezos money went to Tolkien.

[Malankazooie]

. . ."in the land of Mordor" -- moreddth doordth

Cringy. The narrator really went for it on that emphasis and inflection. Comes off kind of cheesy, imo. Sounds vikingny (is that a word?).

Also, not trying to be nitpicky, but the age with which the show takes place would have nothing to do with the rings of power, right? Or am I incorrect on that?

Will watch it for sure, but fuck Bezos. https://www.youtube....h?v=nkBGe-VYT5Y

Also, the Amazon Prime Video logo visible throughout is annoying. The logo looks like it should be re-purposed for peyronie's disease (warning don't search for peyronie's disease, or do so at your peril, you've been warned).

This post has been edited by Malankazooie: 19 January 2022 - 10:55 PM

[Slow Ben]

Yeah, I’m in the “that narration was cheesy as hell” club.

I’ll still watch it 100%, but after WoT, I’m much less excited.

[QuickTidal]

Slow Ben, on 19 January 2022 - 11:35 PM, said:

Yeah, I’m in the “that narration was cheesy as hell” club.

I’ll still watch it 100%, but after WoT, I’m much less excited.

That is Tolkien’s actual pronunciation of the word. And he was a linguist.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 20 January 2022 - 02:40 AM, said:

Slow Ben, on 19 January 2022 - 11:35 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm in the "that narration was cheesy as hell" club.

I'll still watch it 100%, but after WoT, I'm much less excited.

That is Tolkien's actual pronunciation of the word. And he was a linguist.

Doesn't sound as bad when he (or he as Gandalf, at least, in this clip) chants it:




(starts at 29 seconds in)

[worry]

I can't believe this thing isn't out till September. LOTR-mania might be over by then!

[QuickTidal]

Azath Vitr (D, on 20 January 2022 - 03:42 AM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 January 2022 - 02:40 AM, said:

Slow Ben, on 19 January 2022 - 11:35 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm in the "that narration was cheesy as hell" club.

I'll still watch it 100%, but after WoT, I'm much less excited.

That is Tolkien's actual pronunciation of the word. And he was a linguist.

Doesn't sound as bad when he (or he as Gandalf, at least, in this clip) chants it:




(starts at 29 seconds in)

Well, I'm not going by ear of an old piece of audio, I'm going by the man's words himself from the books about pronunciation in them (Both PJ and it appears the tv show intentionally are using Tolkien's own linguistic intent).

from the books:

1) R represents a trilled r in all positions; the sound was not lost before consonants (as in English part).
2) the sounds were approximately those represented by i, e, a, o, u in English machine, were, father, for, brute, irrespective of quantity.
3) The position of the 'accent' or stress is not marked, since in the Eldarin languages concerned its place is determined by the form of the word. In words of two syllables it falls in practically all cases on the first syllable.
In other words- the m is like in english, the 'o' is like the 'o' in english 'for', and the two 'r's are trilled (slightly rolled). Finally, the accent is on the first syllable. The result is exactly as you hear it in the movies: MORRRRdorrrr.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 20 January 2022 - 01:40 PM

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 20 January 2022 - 01:40 PM, said:

Azath Vitr (D, on 20 January 2022 - 03:42 AM, said:

QuickTidal, on 20 January 2022 - 02:40 AM, said:

Slow Ben, on 19 January 2022 - 11:35 PM, said:

Yeah, I'm in the "that narration was cheesy as hell" club.

I'll still watch it 100%, but after WoT, I'm much less excited.

That is Tolkien's actual pronunciation of the word. And he was a linguist.

Doesn't sound as bad when he (or he as Gandalf, at least, in this clip) chants it:




(starts at 29 seconds in)

Well, I'm not going by ear of an old piece of audio, I'm going by the man's words himself from the books about pronunciation in them (Both PJ and it appears the tv show intentionally are using Tolkien's own linguistic intent).

from the books:

1) R represents a trilled r in all positions; the sound was not lost before consonants (as in English part).
2) the sounds were approximately those represented by i, e, a, o, u in English machine, were, father, for, brute, irrespective of quantity.
3) The position of the 'accent' or stress is not marked, since in the Eldarin languages concerned its place is determined by the form of the word. In words of two syllables it falls in practically all cases on the first syllable.
In other words- the m is like in english, the 'o' is like the 'o' in english 'for', and the two 'r's are trilled (slightly rolled). Finally, the accent is on the first syllable. The result is exactly as you hear it in the movies: MORRRRdorrrr.

Satisfying the explicit rules is not necessarily the same as doing it in a way that sounds good. Though the actor also arguably gives too much emphasis to the second syllable, when the stress is on the first. It's as if an uncalled-for secondary stress is placed on the second syllable. And instead of being slightly rolled, the rolling is over-exaggerated.

The rhythm also seems off as a consequence of over-emphasis of certain words and the insertion of odd pauses---opting for a more 'theatrical', actorly delivery (O what a creative actor, randomly inserting pauses to break up the intended verse rhythm!) instead of allowing the musicality and simplicity to flow, as it were, 'trippingly on the tongue'.

'for the elven... kings!' wtf seriously?

At very least they should have done more takes. Wonder if they got significant audience feedback before choosing this one.

This post has been edited by Azath Vitr (D'ivers: 20 January 2022 - 05:35 PM

[QuickTidal]

Jeezus man...

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

QuickTidal, on 20 January 2022 - 04:12 PM, said:

Jeezus man...

It's MORRR-dorr not MORRRRRR-DORRRRR

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Malankazooie, on 19 January 2022 - 10:50 PM, said:

Also, not trying to be nitpicky, but the age with which the show takes place would have nothing to do with the rings of power, right? Or am I incorrect on that?

Nah, they're made pretty much bang smack in the middle of the Second Age (which is the period the TV series is covering). The Second Age ends after the battle shown in the prologue of the Fellowship of the Ring film

Trailer is interesting, if a little cheesy.

I'm excited to see the series. I expect there will be changes and a lot of simplifying (The Silmarillion is a beast) but as long as the spirit of the story is there, I'll be happy. I'm still getting my head around the fact we'll actually get to see the Downfall of Numenor on screen!

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 20 January 2022 - 06:38 PM

[Tavvar]

Malankazooie, on 19 January 2022 - 10:50 PM, said:

Also, not trying to be nitpicky, but the age with which the show takes place would have nothing to do with the rings of power, right? Or am I incorrect on that?

The Rings of Power were forged in the Second Age, which is when Amazon says the series takes place. If I remember my timeline correctly, during the Second Age, Sauron forged the Rings to try and gain control, but it didn't quite work, hence the Last Alliance to stop him.

[amphibian]

From what I could gather on a timeline, there's about 100 years between the elven rings being forged and the One Ring being made. The dwarven rings and the human rings were made somewhere in between.

If this were a story with a bunch of mortals, it'd be so hard to get through 100 years in whatever amount of seasons they do of this, but nearly immortal elves and dwarves make this so much easier.

[Azath Vitr (D'ivers]

Wonder if Tolkien was aware of this (almost certainly to some extent):

'In languages spoken around the world, words describing rough surfaces are highly likely to feature a "trilled /r/" sound—a linguistic pattern that stretches back over 6,000 years, a new study reveals.

[...] from Basque "zakarra" and Mongolian "barzgar" to Dutch "ruw" and Hungarian "durva," these words feature the common sound—an "r" pronounced as an Italian speaker might say "arrivederci."

[about 20 seconds in:]




[Not anywhere near as exaggerated as in the Amazon clip. Much closer to Tolkien's pronunciation.]

Next, they found that the "/r/-for-rough" pattern is prevalent across sensory words in 38 present-day Indo-European languages. It can even be traced to the reconstructed roots of Proto-Indo-European—indicating that the pattern has likely existed in this large language family for more than six millennia.

[...]

[...] "This is one of the most widespread examples so far of cross-modal iconicity in spoken languages—linking the sounds of speech to the sense of touch. Such cross-modal associations can play a significant role in shaping the forms of spoken words in natural languages—showing that many aspects of language structure are shaped by the human ability to spot and use perceptual analogies that create iconic links between form and meaning."'

I guess 'Mordor' is pretty rough, eh?

Rough neighborhood anyway....

[LinearPhilosopher]

Malankazooie, on 19 January 2022 - 10:50 PM, said:

. . ."in the land of Mordor" -- moreddth doordth

Cringy. The narrator really went for it on that emphasis and inflection. Comes off kind of cheesy, imo. Sounds vikingny (is that a word?).

Also, not trying to be nitpicky, but the age with which the show takes place would have nothing to do with the rings of power, right? Or am I incorrect on that?

Will watch it for sure, but fuck Bezos. https://www.youtube....h?v=nkBGe-VYT5Y

Also, the Amazon Prime Video logo visible throughout is annoying. The logo looks like it should be re-purposed for peyronie's disease (warning don't search for peyronie's disease, or do so at your peril, you've been warned).

You say that but rolling the r is quite common in languages outside of english just pointing that out.

[amphibian]

This rolling R stuff is less interesting than there being 2 different kinds of Rs in the silver letters in the promo. I think I like the non-tail version better.

[Malankazooie]

LinearPhilosopher, on 21 January 2022 - 02:00 AM, said:

Malankazooie, on 19 January 2022 - 10:50 PM, said:

. . ."in the land of Mordor" -- moreddth doordth

Cringy. The narrator really went for it on that emphasis and inflection. Comes off kind of cheesy, imo. Sounds vikingny (is that a word?).

Also, not trying to be nitpicky, but the age with which the show takes place would have nothing to do with the rings of power, right? Or am I incorrect on that?

Will watch it for sure, but fuck Bezos. https://www.youtube....h?v=nkBGe-VYT5Y

Also, the Amazon Prime Video logo visible throughout is annoying. The logo looks like it should be re-purposed for peyronie's disease (warning don't search for peyronie's disease, or do so at your peril, you've been warned).

You say that but rolling the r is quite common in languages outside of english just pointing that out.

True dat dudebro. I remember the Spanish class I had in 7th grade, the teacher (Mr. Martinez), when we were going over colors and pronouncing the word for yellow - armarillo, he'd be all like "it's not 'arm-uh-riller', it's arm-a-rrree-oh'. Trill the Rs, make sure you trill the Rs!"