[Tsundoku]

Yeh, I dimly recall some of that old stuff, but it's all retconned these days.

"As of 2020, Boba Fett bears the notorious Mandalorian armor. In season 2 of The Mandalorian, it's established that the Fetts are considered foundlings, with armor gifted by Mandalorians; therefore, Boba is Mandalorian in the same way that Mando (played by Pedro Pascal) is a Mandalorian. While Boba Fett is taught the ways of the Mandalorians and wears the armor of the bounty hunters on that planet, as a clone, he doesn't really have a homeland nor grows up among Mandalorian culture. This is confirmed in The Book of Boba Fett, which features lots of flashbacks showing how Boba Fett got to be where he was by the events that unfolded in The Mandalorian."

"It's in episode 8 of The Mandalorian season 2 that Boba at last claims he's not Mandalorian. "Boba Fett is a clone, according to Attack of the Clones, and by asking George Lucas, he would say Boba Fett is not Mandalorian, not born on Mandalore," said director Dave Filoni to Entertainment Weekly. "He's more of a person indoctrinated into it, into the way of life, and gets a hold of the armor."

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 10 April 2023 - 04:20 PM

[QuickTidal]

Tsundoku, on 10 April 2023 - 04:19 PM, said:

Yeh, I dimly recall some of that old stuff, but it's all retconned these days.

"As of 2020, Boba Fett bears the notorious Mandalorian armor. In season 2 of The Mandalorian, it's established that the Fetts are considered foundlings, with armor gifted by Mandalorians; therefore, Boba is Mandalorian in the same way that Mando (played by Pedro Pascal) is a Mandalorian. While Boba Fett is taught the ways of the Mandalorians and wears the armor of the bounty hunters on that planet, as a clone, he doesn't really have a homeland nor grows up among Mandalorian culture. This is confirmed in The Book of Boba Fett, which features lots of flashbacks showing how Boba Fett got to be where he was by the events that unfolded in The Mandalorian."

"It's in episode 8 of The Mandalorian season 2 that Boba at last claims he's not Mandalorian. "Boba Fett is a clone, according to Attack of the Clones, and by asking George Lucas, he would say Boba Fett is not Mandalorian, not born on Mandalore," said director Dave Filoni to Entertainment Weekly. "He's more of a person indoctrinated into it, into the way of life, and gets a hold of the armor."

I think it speaks to my point about him being featured heavily in S2....I would argue nitpicking the naming specifics does not discount my overall point about the show not being JUST about Din and Grogu.

[Tsundoku]

Oh yeah, agreed. I was just he isn't a proper Mandalorian under the new canon, even if he kinda sorta maybe could be.
And yes, it's funny and ironic because of that old comic you pointed out introducing him as a Mandolorian, which is where they got the idea from. Interesting to see how it morphed over the years.

[QuickTidal]

That was a GREAT episode.

Spoiler

Firstly, the "spies" (plural) of the title are clearly Elia for one...but the other(s) will be whoever sold the Mando's out to bring them to Gideon...my money is on the Armorer (she could very well be Rook Kast; which opens up all kinds of drama with Bo-Katan, since her former master Maul beheaded her sister Satine), but it could be Axe Woves, or could even be the Mandalorians who survived on planet since the Purge. We'll find out next week.

Paz. My boy Paz went out in one of the all time best last stands I've ever seen. A friend complained that he could have "flown away" after the Praetorian Guard shows up....but nope, watching the scene TWO of the Praetorian Guard focus on disabling his jetpack before stabbing him with the final blows. IT's an exquisitely shot death. The overheated gattling gun, the arm shield, taking out ALL the normal enemies, only to be exhausted and almost out of health when and even strong baddie shows up...that is some Dark Souls level shit man. Amazing.

If they both get out of this, I fully expect Bo-Katan and Din to knock da boots.

Ragnar Viszla is now the last of his line.

Grogu's mecha is cool as fuck. It SHOULD be ridiculous, but it's somehow not? He's in his Krang Era. Also, him spamming the "yes" "no" buttons is like when your friends get your kid a toy that seems really cool but makes noise and within a day you want to throw it away without them knowing. Brilliant.

That Light Cruiser with the Mythosaur logo painted across it was dope AS FUCK.

PELLEON! holy shit, Old EU fans will know the realness of what Pelleon showing up is...he starts off as Thrawn's right hand, but ends up as SO much more. I hope he gets that sort of role going forward even into Rey's era of the NJO.

Hux's sadistic abusive POS father Brendol Hux being on the Shadow Council is about right...and PLAYED by Gleeson's real life younger brother! Cool AF.


So I feel like a Thrawn reveal next week is all but assured. As is Grogu becoming the Mandalore by using his force powers to summon and befriend the Mythosaur to take out Gideons place and rescue Din.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 13 April 2023 - 03:21 PM

[Cause]

Spoiler

I like the show, I enjoy watching it. So I hate being like this but for me the last stand came across as silly. He covered the retreat because there were too many, when in actuality it looked like if they had just supported Vizla they could have won the day and finished the series that much sooner.

He cleared the whole room. I’m guessing that you could argue that more storm-mandalorians were nearby but it looks like he killed them all only to be defeated by the praetorian guard.

Either way it seems like he could have at least escaped successfully. There were ways to show his last stand as heroic and badass without making it seem like there was no danger in the first place.


I also got the impression that Gideon wasn’t so much alerted to the fact that the mandolorians would be going to mandelore so much as that mandelore has always been his secret home base. He had a facility, he had hangars for fighters, he has obviously been mining beskar for his soldiers for a long time and explains actually why he had beskar ignots to pay for grogu in season 1.

Also I think implies axe wolves rescuing him as a mercenary was a red herring. His own beskar troops rescued him.

[QuickTidal]

Cause, on 13 April 2023 - 06:57 PM, said:

Spoiler

I like the show, I enjoy watching it. So I hate being like this but for me the last stand came across as silly. He covered the retreat because there were too many, when in actuality it looked like if they had just supported Vizla they could have won the day and finished the series that much sooner.

I mean this is not true on the face of it, since the Praetorian Guard showed up after....but moreover no one who CAN escape will take the chance that they could have won the day and stick around...that would be intensely stupid.

He cleared the whole room. I’m guessing that you could argue that more storm-mandalorians were nearby but it looks like he killed them all only to be defeated by the praetorian guard.

Again, neither he, nor Bo-Katan nor everyone else KNEW how many were there going to be. That he took them all out was a fluke as much as anything else. You're looking at it as someone with hindsight....in the moment they all made the right calls.

Either way it seems like he could have at least escaped successfully. There were ways to show his last stand as heroic and badass without making it seem like there was no danger in the first place.

No, the Praetorian Guard showed up overwhelmed him, disabled his jetpack and then stabbed him...are you watching the same show as me?

I also got the impression that Gideon wasn’t so much alerted to the fact that the mandolorians would be going to mandelore so much as that mandelore has always been his secret home base. He had a facility, he had hangars for fighters, he has obviously been mining beskar for his soldiers for a long time and explains actually why he had beskar ignots to pay for grogu in season 1.

Um....the whole episode starts with him being alerted to their plans to take back Mandalore by Elia and his comment that this is not good for him or the Shadow Council/Imperial Remnant...again, are we both watching the same show? You're straight up missing stuff dude.

Also I think implies axe wolves rescuing him as a mercenary was a red herring. His own beskar troops rescued him.

Wait, who implied that Axe rescued him? Clearly his Beskar-clad troopers rescued him.

Answered in red.

[champ]

Question... is it Rebels/Clone Wars I need to watch to get the back story to some of the shenanigans going on or that are coming up?

[Slow Ben]

champ, on 13 April 2023 - 09:45 PM, said:

Question... is it Rebels/Clone Wars I need to watch to get the back story to some of the shenanigans going on or that are coming up?

I’m not caught up, so I can’t answer the specifics of your question. But you need to watch Rebels and most of Clone Wars because they’re freaking awesome.

[JPK]

Typically Clone Wars fed into Rebels and now Rebels is feeding into where we're going next. If you have time you should watch both, but if you have to pick one it should be Rebels. When CW material gets pulled in for Rebels, that show typically does a good job of filling in the pieces that you'll need.

[QuickTidal]

Slow Ben, on 13 April 2023 - 10:45 PM, said:

champ, on 13 April 2023 - 09:45 PM, said:

Question... is it Rebels/Clone Wars I need to watch to get the back story to some of the shenanigans going on or that are coming up?

I’m not caught up, so I can’t answer the specifics of your question. But you need to watch Rebels and most of Clone Wars because they’re freaking awesome.

Yeah, Filoni writers this stuff so you don't HAVE to watch the stuff that came before to know what's happening, but SB is right you should because both are excellent and they will enhance your viewing of this.

For the Ashoka show you should especially watch both to really get a rewarding experience from that in August.

[QuickTidal]

Spoiler

Oh, and the throne room scene in TLJ has now been head cannoned by me into Kylo Ren getting revenge for the death of fabled Mandalorian warrior Paz Viszla.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

Surprised there have been no comments on the finale yet!

Spoiler

Bo drawing the Darksaber mid-flight as she led all of the Mandalorians in to battle was thrilling. I got shivers.

[Chance]

A shaky season that ended on a high note is my verdict.

Basically half great episodes, half so-so. Some where just a bit too close to what made the Book of Boba crap and a few of episodes where basically half crap, half good which is just confusing

Give me more of our main mandalorian, grogu and imperial remnant which seems to be the path we are going down so I'm optimistic.

This post has been edited by Chance: 23 April 2023 - 10:11 AM

[Briar King]

That season sucked.

Disney Wars sucks

Orange Gals show can’t even save this dead franchise for me.

[QuickTidal]

Extreme.

I, on the other hand, loved it and can't wait for AHSOKA and HEIR TO THE EMPIRE!

[Briar King]

I had to sit back and just groan when I watched that cause I knew people would have their tongues out wiping up every drop of that Disney cum they sprayed out with that line.

Fuck this cherry picking bullshit. You axed the EU then axe the fucking EU….

[Tavvar]

They axed the EU to give them more room to tell stories. If they want to import some of the better storylines and characters, go ahead and add them back in. And those EU stories still exist, we can always go back and read or play them. I consider them all to be valid SW stories and I do not care which are declared Canon or not.

I think Mando is fairly mediocre, but I am excited for Ashoka to tie together characters and stories from Clone Wars, Rebels, and Zahn's books!