[Tiste Simeon]

Just saw Solo. All the modern SW movies are excellent and I'm very glad they keep making them.

[QuickTidal]

After it's second weekend, SOLO is officially the first SW flop. And by a wide margin to boot. My gods, a bare 29 million second weekend domestically. That's....cripes I dunno. Bad.

[Gintokian]

 QuickTidal, on 04 June 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

After it's second weekend, SOLO is officially the first SW flop. And by a wide margin to boot. My gods, a bare 29 million second weekend domestically. That's....cripes I dunno. Bad.

That's such a shame cause I really liked SOLO, I don't think it deserves the reaction it got, in the box office or in the reviews.

[QuickTidal]

 Gintokian, on 04 June 2018 - 05:38 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 04 June 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

After it's second weekend, SOLO is officially the first SW flop. And by a wide margin to boot. My gods, a bare 29 million second weekend domestically. That's....cripes I dunno. Bad.

That's such a shame cause I really liked SOLO, I don't think it deserves the reaction it got, in the box office or in the reviews.

SOLO is indeed a fun movie, and it sucks that this is happening to it...but I HOPE that this is causing the suits at LFL and Disney to AT LEAST look at their plan (if there is one past 'make Star Wars movies = profit') and see where they've gone wrong. I'm not expecting an admittance of "TLJ is awful, you're right" or what have you....but maybe a thoughtful moment of "Oh, geez. We should have planned out our trilogies as complete arced single stories" and "Well, I guess we should be cautious about what anthology movies we decide to make and how" and "Maybe a Star Wars brand is NOT just going to pull in fans and that will be enough"

The MCU works because most people can get on board and enjoy a superhero movie...but Star Wars can't be treated the same way as it's WAY more niche. So they need to stop trying to turn the SW galaxy into the MCU...it's not going to work. Especially because places like China (who were only recently even introduced to Star Wars), don't care about it. So the powers that be need to take that into account and figure out some sort of long arcing gameplay for the audiences who DO want to see SW movies, and how to keep fans involved without tarnishing the brand further.

For example, as a SW fan since almost birth, I was SO burned by TLJ (and moreover the direction of the ST so far in general) that I will only see IX if the trailers and chatter beforehand sure me it's headed in a direction (or course correction) that I'm aligned with....if it doesn't, I might not want to bother. That's a sad thing to note as a Star Wars fan...that I'm not hyped as hell for the next one? Never thought I'd be here. Perhaps Disney's Star Wars is no longer for me? Probably. Still...sad.

[Gintokian]

 QuickTidal, on 04 June 2018 - 06:17 PM, said:

SOLO is indeed a fun movie, and it sucks that this is happening to it...but I HOPE that this is causing the suits at LFL and Disney to AT LEAST look at their plan (if there is one past 'make Star Wars movies = profit') and see where they've gone wrong. I'm not expecting an admittance of "TLJ is awful, you're right" or what have you....but maybe a thoughtful moment of "Oh, geez. We should have planned out our trilogies as complete arced single stories" and "Well, I guess we should be cautious about what anthology movies we decide to make and how" and "Maybe a Star Wars brand is NOT just going to pull in fans and that will be enough"

The MCU works because most people can get on board and enjoy a superhero movie...but Star Wars can't be treated the same way as it's WAY more niche. So they need to stop trying to turn the SW galaxy into the MCU...it's not going to work. Especially because places like China (who were only recently even introduced to Star Wars), don't care about it. So the powers that be need to take that into account and figure out some sort of long arcing gameplay for the audiences who DO want to see SW movies, and how to keep fans involved without tarnishing the brand further.

For example, as a SW fan since almost birth, I was SO burned by TLJ (and moreover the direction of the ST so far in general) that I will only see IX if the trailers and chatter beforehand sure me it's headed in a direction (or course correction) that I'm aligned with....if it doesn't, I might not want to bother. That's a sad thing to note as a Star Wars fan...that I'm not hyped as hell for the next one? Never thought I'd be here. Perhaps Disney's Star Wars is no longer for me? Probably. Still...sad.

I agree with what you're saying I just hope that they learn the RIGHT lesson. I don't want them to look at SOLO's poor box office and ratings and think 'hey people don't seem to want the anthology movies, lets scrap the plans for boba fett and kenobi'. Especially if they're planning to do a kind of continuation between the three (like the leader of crimson dawn) because I think that could be super cool.
I do hope as well that they change the direction for episode IX and i think they will, they know the fans were upset with TLJ.

[QuickTidal]

 I am the Bachelorette, on 04 June 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

I wouldn’t mind a scrap of Fett. They will be in for the same thing I think all over again hype wise as Solo.

If anything, they should just announce Kenobi finally and Ewan...and leave Fett off for a third anthology flick in this series, not a second. If you put out Fett, you might be setting yourself up for a worse drubbing than SOLO, but a KENOBI film with Ewan? That's at the very least something fans could get excited about out of the gate and give you a little buzz going forward.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 04 June 2018 - 07:33 PM

[Tiste Simeon]

Wait, QT didn't like TLJ, he never said... 🙄

[Gintokian]

 QuickTidal, on 04 June 2018 - 07:32 PM, said:

 I am the Bachelorette, on 04 June 2018 - 07:08 PM, said:

I wouldn't mind a scrap of Fett. They will be in for the same thing I think all over again hype wise as Solo.

If anything, they should just announce Kenobi finally and Ewan...and leave Fett off for a third anthology flick in this series, not a second. If you put out Fett, you might be setting yourself up for a worse drubbing than SOLO, but a KENOBI film with Ewan? That's at the very least something fans could get excited about out of the gate and give you a little buzz going forward.

I do agree I would rather have a Kenobi film first, but if they do a kinda-trilogy with

Spoiler

Maul

as the bad guy it would be a fitting conclusion to have Obi-Wan at the end because of what happened in Rebels. But I guess it would work in the middle as well since he's searching for Kenobi in the show, maybe they met up at some point before that? Could be cool.

[Tsundoku]

This has been the first Star Wars film I haven't seen at the cinema (well, since the original). The reasons are threefold:

1. I feel guilty going without the Mrs, because we'd have to take the 5 year old, and I like to think I have enough consideration for my fellow cinema patrons not to put them through that.
2. Money is tight at the moment, and cinema tickets are not cheap.
3. It's a prequel, and I have never seen the point of prequels. Especially crap ones like the prequel trilogy. Just ... ugh.

I'm sure it's fun, and I'm sure that I will buy it on blu-ray like the others, but I did not feel the driving NEED to see it at the cinema like the others.
I will also confess that (to my shame) my ambivalent feelings over TLJ - and the Disney process in general - may have spilled over into this product, which should have been considered on it's own merits.

Instead of throwing darts at a board covered with SW character names, they need some sort of coherent consistent plot. I'm not saying it needs to be as tight as Marvel or even Babylon 5, but all the parts need to fit and go ... somewhere. Figure out the tone and direction well beforehand. Get a decent writer (or writers) on board, working together. And a director to fit who also has enough of their own "flavour" to accentuate, not detract from the final product.

If KENOBI is 18 years of him sitting in the desert just off-camera, doing essentially bugger-all, then there is no point. If they mess with that just to make for a more interesting film, aren't they forgetting he was supposed to be Luke's guardian, hence 18 years sitting in the desert? Or am I missing something here? As I have said elsewhere, Kenobi could be a good film, but it depends very much on the setup.

BOBA FETT done like the Dark Horse comics would be cool as fuck. Make everyone aware of why he was such a pants-shittingly terrifying bastard, while not completely evil. More ... ruthless.

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 05 June 2018 - 11:09 AM

[Gintokian]

 Tsundoku, on 05 June 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

I'm sure it's fun, and I'm sure that I will buy it on blu-ray like the others, but I did not feel the driving NEED to see it at the cinema like the others.
I will also confess that (to my shame) my ambivalent feelings over TLJ - and the Disney process in general - may have spilled over into this product, which should have been considered on it's own merits.

I feel like a lot of people did this, they were angry at TLJ so they didn't go see SOLO and to me that's a shame. Now I'm not saying you're a bad person because you had other reasons not to go, but those who did choose not to just because of TLJ I think hurt star wars more than helped it. I thought the movie was decent and Disney should continue to do these types of movies.

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Instead of throwing darts at a board covered with SW character names, they need some sort of coherent consistent plot. I'm not saying it needs to be as tight as Marvel or even Babylon 5, but all the parts need to fit and go ... somewhere. Figure out the tone and direction well beforehand. Get a decent writer (or writers) on board, working together. And a director to fit who also has enough of their own "flavour" to accentuate, not detract from the final product.

If you watch the movie it seems at the end they're possibly setting it up for a kind-of continuing storyline with different main characters, I think they did have an overall plan for some of these at least with elements continuing in each movie.

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If KENOBI is 18 years of him sitting in the desert just off-camera, doing essentially bugger-all, then there is no point. If they mess with that just to make for a more interesting film, aren't they forgetting he was supposed to be Luke's guardian, hence 18 years sitting in the desert? Or am I missing something here? As I have said elsewhere, Kenobi could be a good film, but it depends very much on the setup.

I think there were some EU stories with him when he was on Tatooine of him going off and having some adventures so it's not unheard of. Besides, Luke was just growing up I doubt he stayed there for the entire time just chilling, we don't really know if anything happened and he left for a bit, I think there's lots of potential there.

[QuickTidal]

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think there were some EU stories with him when he was on Tatooine of him going off and having some adventures so it's not unheard of. Besides, Luke was just growing up I doubt he stayed there for the entire time just chilling, we don't really know if anything happened and he left for a bit, I think there's lots of potential there.

John Jackson Miller's KENOBI is a great novel. It takes Obi-Wan to a town on Tatooine to help the locals from harm (Very Kurosawa-esque), which means he can still keep a weather eye on Luke, while helping with local issues. I could see that working for a KENOBI movie.

[Gintokian]

 QuickTidal, on 05 June 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think there were some EU stories with him when he was on Tatooine of him going off and having some adventures so it's not unheard of. Besides, Luke was just growing up I doubt he stayed there for the entire time just chilling, we don't really know if anything happened and he left for a bit, I think there's lots of potential there.

John Jackson Miller's KENOBI is a great novel. It takes Obi-Wan to a town on Tatooine to help the locals from harm (Very Kurosawa-esque), which means he can still keep a weather eye on Luke, while helping with local issues. I could see that working for a KENOBI movie.

That could be cool. Maybe he'll get a girlfriend, have kids, who then have a kid of their own, a daughter and leave her on Jakku for unknown reasons, I can still dream!!

[QuickTidal]

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 05 June 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think there were some EU stories with him when he was on Tatooine of him going off and having some adventures so it's not unheard of. Besides, Luke was just growing up I doubt he stayed there for the entire time just chilling, we don't really know if anything happened and he left for a bit, I think there's lots of potential there.

John Jackson Miller's KENOBI is a great novel. It takes Obi-Wan to a town on Tatooine to help the locals from harm (Very Kurosawa-esque), which means he can still keep a weather eye on Luke, while helping with local issues. I could see that working for a KENOBI movie.

That could be cool. Maybe he'll get a girlfriend, have kids, who then have a kid of their own, a daughter and leave her on Jakku for unknown reasons, I can still dream!!

It's my dream too. A Kenobi grandchild VS a Skywalker grandchild in IX just feels so poetic.

[Gintokian]

 QuickTidal, on 05 June 2018 - 02:35 PM, said:

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

 QuickTidal, on 05 June 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think there were some EU stories with him when he was on Tatooine of him going off and having some adventures so it's not unheard of. Besides, Luke was just growing up I doubt he stayed there for the entire time just chilling, we don't really know if anything happened and he left for a bit, I think there's lots of potential there.

John Jackson Miller's KENOBI is a great novel. It takes Obi-Wan to a town on Tatooine to help the locals from harm (Very Kurosawa-esque), which means he can still keep a weather eye on Luke, while helping with local issues. I could see that working for a KENOBI movie.

That could be cool. Maybe he'll get a girlfriend, have kids, who then have a kid of their own, a daughter and leave her on Jakku for unknown reasons, I can still dream!!

It's my dream too. A Kenobi grandchild VS a Skywalker grandchild in IX just feels so poetic.

I really hope they do something like this. It could even work with what Kylo said in TLJ about how her parents were nobodies, but that doesn't mean her grandparents were! I have a feeling they won't but it would be so cool.

[Whisperzzzzzzz]

 QuickTidal, on 05 June 2018 - 01:19 PM, said:

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

I think there were some EU stories with him when he was on Tatooine of him going off and having some adventures so it's not unheard of. Besides, Luke was just growing up I doubt he stayed there for the entire time just chilling, we don't really know if anything happened and he left for a bit, I think there's lots of potential there.

John Jackson Miller's KENOBI is a great novel. It takes Obi-Wan to a town on Tatooine to help the locals from harm (Very Kurosawa-esque), which means he can still keep a weather eye on Luke, while helping with local issues. I could see that working for a KENOBI movie.

They could so a Seven Samurai homage, like in the Clone Wars episode.

[Slow Ben]

 Gintokian, on 05 June 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

 Tsundoku, on 05 June 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

I'm sure it's fun, and I'm sure that I will buy it on blu-ray like the others, but I did not feel the driving NEED to see it at the cinema like the others.
I will also confess that (to my shame) my ambivalent feelings over TLJ - and the Disney process in general - may have spilled over into this product, which should have been considered on it's own merits.

I feel like a lot of people did this, they were angry at TLJ so they didn't go see SOLO and to me that's a shame. Now I'm not saying you're a bad person because you had other reasons not to go, but those who did choose not to just because of TLJ I think hurt star wars more than helped it. I thought the movie was decent and Disney should continue to do these types of movies.

Thats what i'm kinda worried about. I hated TLJ so much i wasnt giving Disney another cent of my money. Now i'm worried, geniuses that they are, that they'll take Solos "failure" as an indictment on that type of movie. And that would be a shame.

[Tiste Simeon]

You stay classy, Star Wars "fans"

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

 Tiste Simeon, on 13 June 2018 - 11:48 AM, said:

You stay classy, Star Wars "fans"

What genuinely delightful people. It sounds like the Gamergate lot all over again.

[Gintokian]

Wow that's terrible. I mean I wasn't a huge fan of TLJ but that is way too far. I don't get people who harass these actors over their characters in the movies? It's not like they have control over how the story goes at all.
This makes me sick and ashamed to be a sw fan, makes us all look bad.

[Tiste Simeon]

Yeah disliking a film is one thing, you're never going to please everyone, but this is horrendous!