[Tiste Simeon]

I want a movie about that other big evil that I can't remember the name of that I've only read bits and pieces about - the Vong or something. I remember seeing a post about how the emperor was really the hero because he knew these guys were coming and wanted to have the resources of an entire galaxy at his disposal to combat them. It was silly but I wanted to know more about those guys and I never bothered actually reading anything else about them. It'd be good to have a film or films about something in the SW universe that we (the cinema goers not necessarily you uber-nerds) haven't seen before. Instead of more of the same characters.

[Gintokian]

Tiste Simeon, on 17 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I want a movie about that other big evil that I can't remember the name of that I've only read bits and pieces about - the Vong or something. I remember seeing a post about how the emperor was really the hero because he knew these guys were coming and wanted to have the resources of an entire galaxy at his disposal to combat them. It was silly but I wanted to know more about those guys and I never bothered actually reading anything else about them. It'd be good to have a film or films about something in the SW universe that we (the cinema goers not necessarily you uber-nerds) haven't seen before. Instead of more of the same characters.

The Yuuzhan Vong, there were some neat stories around that for sure. I was hoping TFA was going to have a similar plot, instead of just jedi and sith/dark side, it would have been really cool to see something else thrown into the mix. Force powers didn't really work on them and they had all this crazy organic-ish technology. It was really cool.

[QuickTidal]

Tiste Simeon, on 17 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I want a movie about that other big evil that I can't remember the name of that I've only read bits and pieces about - the Vong or something. I remember seeing a post about how the emperor was really the hero because he knew these guys were coming and wanted to have the resources of an entire galaxy at his disposal to combat them. It was silly but I wanted to know more about those guys and I never bothered actually reading anything else about them. It'd be good to have a film or films about something in the SW universe that we (the cinema goers not necessarily you uber-nerds) haven't seen before. Instead of more of the same characters.

With some tweaks, the Vong could absolutely be retrofitted into the new canon, and be a great foil!

And I also think the Mandalorians are an untapped potential for live action movie villains...and what's' best about them is you can make them a sympathetic villain to boot.

[Gintokian]

QuickTidal, on 17 September 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 17 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I want a movie about that other big evil that I can't remember the name of that I've only read bits and pieces about - the Vong or something. I remember seeing a post about how the emperor was really the hero because he knew these guys were coming and wanted to have the resources of an entire galaxy at his disposal to combat them. It was silly but I wanted to know more about those guys and I never bothered actually reading anything else about them. It'd be good to have a film or films about something in the SW universe that we (the cinema goers not necessarily you uber-nerds) haven't seen before. Instead of more of the same characters.

With some tweaks, the Vong could absolutely be retrofitted into the new canon, and be a great foil!

And I also think the Mandalorians are an untapped potential for live action movie villains...and what's' best about them is you can make them a sympathetic villain to boot.

I think there are rumours that the live action show is going to be focused on the mandalorians after the galactic civil war, so that could be pretty cool. Maybe Sabine could play a role or be mentioned or something.

[QuickTidal]

Gintokian, on 17 September 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 17 September 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 17 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I want a movie about that other big evil that I can't remember the name of that I've only read bits and pieces about - the Vong or something. I remember seeing a post about how the emperor was really the hero because he knew these guys were coming and wanted to have the resources of an entire galaxy at his disposal to combat them. It was silly but I wanted to know more about those guys and I never bothered actually reading anything else about them. It'd be good to have a film or films about something in the SW universe that we (the cinema goers not necessarily you uber-nerds) haven't seen before. Instead of more of the same characters.

With some tweaks, the Vong could absolutely be retrofitted into the new canon, and be a great foil!

And I also think the Mandalorians are an untapped potential for live action movie villains...and what's' best about them is you can make them a sympathetic villain to boot.

I think there are rumours that the live action show is going to be focused on the mandalorians after the galactic civil war, so that could be pretty cool. Maybe Sabine could play a role or be mentioned or something.

Ooooooo, give me live action Sabine! She's such a great character!

[Gintokian]

QuickTidal, on 17 September 2018 - 03:47 PM, said:

Gintokian, on 17 September 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

QuickTidal, on 17 September 2018 - 03:15 PM, said:

Tiste Simeon, on 17 September 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

I want a movie about that other big evil that I can't remember the name of that I've only read bits and pieces about - the Vong or something. I remember seeing a post about how the emperor was really the hero because he knew these guys were coming and wanted to have the resources of an entire galaxy at his disposal to combat them. It was silly but I wanted to know more about those guys and I never bothered actually reading anything else about them. It'd be good to have a film or films about something in the SW universe that we (the cinema goers not necessarily you uber-nerds) haven't seen before. Instead of more of the same characters.

With some tweaks, the Vong could absolutely be retrofitted into the new canon, and be a great foil!

And I also think the Mandalorians are an untapped potential for live action movie villains...and what's' best about them is you can make them a sympathetic villain to boot.

I think there are rumours that the live action show is going to be focused on the mandalorians after the galactic civil war, so that could be pretty cool. Maybe Sabine could play a role or be mentioned or something.

Ooooooo, give me live action Sabine! She's such a great character!

It would totally fit too, I know after the civil war she goes off in search of ezra but this could be after or something. There's so much they could do with her, the darksaber, and mandalore. It would be tough to find someone that encapsulates the character from the show but I think it would be really cool.

[Abyss]

I suspect a Mandalore-specific live show may be too niche for them to attempt. Rests too strongly on the fans from Rebels carrying over and non-Rebels fans not being offput by the 'Jango was Mandalorian Boba was a clone etc etc' thing, and all important new viewers not being offput by the sheer geek of basing a live tv show on planet that featured primarily not in the movies but in a past cartoon storyline.

[Gintokian]

Abyss, on 17 September 2018 - 06:34 PM, said:

I suspect a Mandalore-specific live show may be too niche for them to attempt. Rests too strongly on the fans from Rebels carrying over and non-Rebels fans not being offput by the 'Jango was Mandalorian Boba was a clone etc etc' thing, and all important new viewers not being offput by the sheer geek of basing a live tv show on planet that featured primarily not in the movies but in a past cartoon storyline.

I'm not so sure about that, I know they want to explore other areas of the star wars universe not related to the jedi/skywalkers etc. and I think the mandalorians are a great in-between. It's fairly well known from the tv shows (TCW & Rebels) as well as old games (KOTOR) and I think it would serve as a perfect way to introduce new sw fans into the expanded universe. Bad asses with dope looking armour fighting shit. It's close enough to the mainstream that most people would recognize them as distinctly star wars (fetts) and could have a wide variety of storylines.

Granted there's no official proof this is happening so who knows.

[Tiste Simeon]

Hmm I think they're going to be extremely risk averse now...

[QuickTidal]

Agreed. It's going to be Paint-By-Numbers safe now for a while, and this includes Episode IX. JJ is going to ride the line to make everyone happy, and play it wildly safe...

[QuickTidal]

As someone who liked SOLO (though not enough to buy it on home video, it turns out)....I can't argue with ANY of this. LOL

[Gintokian]

Briar King, on 26 September 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

Solo is the 1st SW movie I probably won't buy though I liked it though maybe I should if I want more Anthology films.

I think I'm going to buy it, I'm hoping enough people do to let Disney know star wars fans want good anthology films still, like an Obi-Wan one. I may skip out on buying TLJ but I enjoyed Solo and am hoping they don't put these ones on hold forever.

[Nevyn]

Finally saw Solo.


Low expectations do wonders, I didn't mind it at all.

Better movie than TLJ. While I think Disney has hit saturation and needs to slow down, at this point it really feels like anthology films are more promising than the "main story", which is potentially unrescuable. The anthology films can have fun and engage nostalgia without all the baggage that the "trilogies" have to carry,

[QuickTidal]

My issue here, is that the powers that be seemingly think "slow down, don't make more than one movie a year" is the problem/answer...it is most assuredly NOT.

Multiple films in the SW franchise is TOTALLY sustainable with the right creative direction, and the right boots on the ground to make that all happen.

Sadly, a portion of this notion was shot directly in the foot by the Sequel Trilogy setting, beginning with TFA...setting the Galaxy back to Empire VS Rebels 2.0 was a narrative record scratch for me (even though I liked that movie). They've essentially put themselves into this TINY little window of story, with a tiny little set of characters, in a tiny little galaxy. The Sequel Trilogy was a chance to blow the existing Galaxy WIDE open on the back of the OT. They had a re-establsihed Republic of planets, a waning/almost defeated Empire, and a whole slew of planets, civilizations, and cultures to use and explore. KEEP that setting. It's massive. You DON'T throw that away to re-set the game board back to A NEW HOPE.

On the back of New Republic still experiencing its growing pains, and a bunch of people who MIGHT have agreed with the old Empire, or at least liked the stability of being ruled...that's a great place to start. You can spin out from that concept into a TONNE of different ideas for films. A thriller in the bowls of Coruscant, a war film on Mandalore, a Superhero origin tale about a young upstart discovering force powers, or the reverse of that concept (WANTED style, going bad)...and you have a fertile ground for characters to be connected to the ones you love as the tether to hold them into the orbit of Star Wars. Example, Why couldn't we have gotten Jaina Solo instead of Rey? You get name recognition to start...and the older characters to support...and then you go off in new directions with that character as your lead.

Similar to how I think that Ghostbusters 2016 was a mistake for the same reason...they threw out all the world building they could have used from GB1 and GB2...to reset the table instead. It was a dumb idea there, and it's a dumb idea here.

And I'm not even saying that I think the sequels needed to follow portions of the old EU....but jeezus christ, don't set the table back to Tiny setting and expect to be able to maintain an MCU-like multi-films a year franchise....that ain't gonna happen.

SW can be the MCU...but it needs leadership, visionary creativity on a grand and cohesive planned scale, and a bunch of people to stop the more insane ideas from occurring past a planning meeting.

Someone should have stopped whoever's idea SOLO was in the offing. Regardless of whether I liked it or not, it was a poor choice. Same Boba-Fett movie....and I mean if you are pushing off in new directions in the main series, perhaps that shitcans the Obi-Wan movie too...

Go new. Tether that new to the old in certain ways. And go.

I wish this was hard. It's not hard.

This is also why ROGUE ONE was a success (and I can't understand how Disney didn't take this lesson), even though it's full of nostalgia too (though not NEARLY as on the nose as SOLO)...because it used the setting to tell the story of a bunch of new characters you've never heard of before in the Star Wars universe. It's why Val is so interesting in SOLO and why people are annoyed she was iced so early on. These people don't REMOTELY look like or act like characters we've seen before in SW. No one in RO is like Luke, Leia, or Han...no one. Meanwhile, over in TFA and TLJ sequel trilogy land we have Nu-Vader (Kylo Ren), Nu-Luke (Rey), and Nu-Han (Poe)...it's a fucking shit show when you think about it. What I would not have given for live action Jaina Solo if only because she was DIFFERENT than her predecessors...and the only thing that tied her to the OT three in scope was her name and lineage.

I'll never understand it. I am baffled that we got Nu-Luke, Nu-Han, and Nu-Vader (is Finn Nu-Leia?)...instead of new characters with new motivations.

To use another film series as an example, this is what FANTASTIC BEASTS did bang on right (Kudos JK)...they didn't give us a protagonist in Newt who is ANYTHING like Harry, Ron, or Hermoine. Not one of the leads bears any resemblance to the HP main series leads. That's how a new story in a existing setting works. Reinventing the SW wheel was the first mistake and it's informed every mistake thereafter.

/rant

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 26 September 2018 - 05:34 PM

[Nevyn]

QuickTidal, on 26 September 2018 - 05:30 PM, said:

Multiple films in the SW franchise is TOTALLY sustainable with the right creative direction, and the right boots on the ground to make that all happen.

Sure, but the more you up the content, the less special or like an event each one feels like. Which dramatically ups your chances of the occasional box office bomb.

New characters or old, some star wars stories will create more enthusiasm or get better receptions than others. The more of these you crank out, the easier it is (particularly without a continuing story) to sit one out or wait on it.

[Nevyn]

Briar King, on 26 September 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

Tell that to Marvel.

I would, but I am about 5 marvel movies behind, so we don't talk often.

[QuickTidal]

Nevyn, on 26 September 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

Briar King, on 26 September 2018 - 06:00 PM, said:

Tell that to Marvel.

I would, but I am about 5 marvel movies behind, so we don't talk often.

His point stands. If the MCU was not managed so well, with a tonne of interesting differing branches into the Marvel universe with different characters in different genres of movies...the MCU would not be what it is and would have box office bombs.

It doesn't because Kevin Feige and others at the top plan out the whole shebang creatively and they don't let anyone go off book (which is why Wright walked off ANT-MAN for example)...and the MCU delivers 2-3 movies a year to either decent good box office....or insane crazy box office, reviews (audience and critical) and basically no poor word of mouth. A decade of this, with no signs of slowing down.

This is doable with the SW universe. But no one in charge at the Lucasfilm level seems to understand how to pull that off and make it viable. They've stayed in their little OT corner of the galaxy....even with the Sequel trilogy they have. So two movies that are set near or during the OT era...and two sequels that hearken back to be almost exactly like the OT era.

The MCU equivalent would be like making 2 movies in a row...both somehow based closely around the events in IRON MAN 1, and two movies that recreate IRON MAN 1 with new characters in all the roles with the same stakes. It's a bad business plan at best, and an idiotic one at worst.

You MAKE each film special by dint of creativity and storytelling. That's the Lucasfilm mistake. Assuming that they can go back to the same pond over and over and keep it fresh while not changing much about it

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 26 September 2018 - 06:23 PM

[Vengeance]

I watched most of SOlO last night and found it to be pretty fun. Quite enjoyable actually.

[Nevyn]

FWIW Solo had a box office comparable to several Marvel films.

They just don't all come with the same costs and the same expectations. It was a bomb because it needed to earn like a Star Wars movie to be a financial success.

[QuickTidal]

Nevyn, on 26 September 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

FWIW Solo had a box office comparable to several Marvel films.

They just don't all come with the same costs and the same expectations. It was a bomb because it needed to earn like a Star Wars movie to be a financial success.

That's not worth much.

The lesser box office MCU movies aren't $300 million over budget, because they never had huge massive Avengers budgets to start with. They pulled in decent box office in context of what was spent on them, and what was projected to expectations.

SOLO was a flop because all those numbers are WAY out of whack.

This post has been edited by QuickTidal: 26 September 2018 - 07:25 PM