[Tattersail_]

They DO NOT HAVE TO ENACT 6 FASCIST POLICIES TO WIN.

THEY HAVE 3. THEY APPOINT HITLER AS CHANCELLOR THEN IT IS GAME OVER.

[Nevyn]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

They DO NOT HAVE TO ENACT 6 FASCIST POLICIES TO WIN.

THEY HAVE 3. THEY APPOINT HITLER AS CHANCELLOR THEN IT IS GAME OVER.

This is the part where you hope they aren't paying attention and appoint someone already known to be bad as chancellor to avoid the three trusted people, is it?

"Lets take a known fascist because they probably aren't hitler". Brilliant!

To the trusted 3, stay the course. The fascists are panicking

[Tattersail_]

Nevyn, on 27 February 2018 - 04:18 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

They DO NOT HAVE TO ENACT 6 FASCIST POLICIES TO WIN.

THEY HAVE 3. THEY APPOINT HITLER AS CHANCELLOR THEN IT IS GAME OVER.

This is the part where you hope they aren't paying attention and appoint someone already known to be bad as chancellor to avoid the three trusted people, is it?

"Lets take a known fascist because they probably aren't hitler". Brilliant!

To the trusted 3, stay the course. The fascists are panicking

I've never been Chancellor, i'd enact a liberal policy and if elected won't end the fucking game.

[Tattersail_]

If Hitler gets nominated Chancellor then he's getting 3 yes votes from Fascists. It only takes two automatic yes's from liberal's to lose the game, and you want us to auto run the elections. In that scenario I'd prefer to go random until 5 fascist policies are enacted or we win. Then i'd select the least likely to be chancellor.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Wait. Calm down a bit, I think we can stave off the doom.

First in answer to attacking you three, its only because you echo each other so frequently. The excitability you both display about the plan sounds like something scum would be doing so I am critical.

In truth Nom might be getting Symped by Tatts, Tatts might be getting Symped by Nom or as I am inclined to believe you are a pair working in tandem.

The issue lies in if one of you is being Symped. That rabbit hole does lead to a very Bizarre place.

Say for example Tatts is the liberal. That means D’rek is the fascist. What has D’rek done all game? Make fun of Tatts and agree with everything except Nevyn.

Nom seems to strongly agree with this and yet D’rek and Nom have not been on at the same time or on the same page and barely shared any conversation. Does this mean they are actively distancing?

In this Scenario their Hitler must be Cause because Cause is Nevyns target. Nevyn in that scenario is the biggest reason we steer away from Cause.


Ok then we back up a bit. What if Noms getting Symped by Tatts? That makes Tatts and Nevyn look like a set and everything on thread so far just disagrees with that idea. Their Hitler would be Messremb in this scenario as thats the player both have not been vocal about. Tatts is super anti-me and Nevyn is super anti-Cause. Neither show much worry about Venge who seems very uninterested in placing himself as chancellor on the lists he creates. That speaks volumes.

If Messremb is Hitler then we are well and truly screwed.

The groundwork the low presence on thread and the successive liberal plays marred by just one Fascist result when policy odds supported it.
He is a very unlikely but possible WCS.

Cause doesnt need to be Chancellor for liberal win but Messremb myself and possibly Venge have to be.

If either of you are liberal we need your vote.

Tatts, Nom. Do you think there is the remote chance you are being Symped?

[Nevyn]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

If Hitler gets nominated Chancellor then he's getting 3 yes votes from Fascists. It only takes two automatic yes's from liberal's to lose the game, and you want us to auto run the elections. In that scenario I'd prefer to go random until 5 fascist policies are enacted or we win. Then i'd select the least likely to be chancellor.

Oh wow. Epic facepalm. Random policies on a 2/3 fascist deck until we end up in the exact same scenario and now ANY fascist in EITHER position wins it for the fascists instead of just hitler as chancellor.

[Tattersail_]

5 votes to get the Presidency through yes? Then one vote will 100% be fascist because I'm not electing a possible Hitler. I don't care if I am being symped. Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing. I know D'rek is fascist, that's all I know.

The issue I have is Nevyn/Nom that is the key to this game for me.

If Nevyn is Liberal then the fascists are D'rek, Nom and Cause. Perfect, easy.

The problem I am having is that if Nevyn is Fascist. That opens up Mess, Venge and Dolmen as Fascist.

Nevyn supports the trio getting Chancellor which means that if he is fascist then one of those three are Hitler.

Can someone pull up all the votes for every government and see if D'rek and Nevyn are copying each other votes wise? Can someone pull them up and see if there is a pattern.

[Nevyn]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

Can someone pull up all the votes for every government and see if D'rek and Nevyn are copying each other votes wise? Can someone pull them up and see if there is a pattern.

Is there a reason someone can't be you?

[Tattersail_]

Nevyn, on 27 February 2018 - 04:42 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:25 PM, said:

If Hitler gets nominated Chancellor then he's getting 3 yes votes from Fascists. It only takes two automatic yes's from liberal's to lose the game, and you want us to auto run the elections. In that scenario I'd prefer to go random until 5 fascist policies are enacted or we win. Then i'd select the least likely to be chancellor.

Oh wow. Epic facepalm. Random policies on a 2/3 fascist deck until we end up in the exact same scenario and now ANY fascist in EITHER position wins it for the fascists instead of just hitler as chancellor.

No, i'd prefer more information before having to make a decision. You want it your way because you smell blood, that's how it looks.

[Tattersail_]

Nevyn, on 27 February 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

Can someone pull up all the votes for every government and see if D'rek and Nevyn are copying each other votes wise? Can someone pull them up and see if there is a pattern.

Is there a reason someone can't be you?

I'm about to leave work, will only have my phone and limited time until tomorrow. If no one has done it by then, then I'll do it.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

5 votes to get the Presidency through yes? Then one vote will 100% be fascist because I'm not electing a possible Hitler. I don't care if I am being symped. Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing. I know D'rek is fascist, that's all I know.

The issue I have is Nevyn/Nom that is the key to this game for me.

If Nevyn is Liberal then the fascists are D'rek, Nom and Cause. Perfect, easy.

The problem I am having is that if Nevyn is Fascist. That opens up Mess, Venge and Dolmen as Fascist.

Nevyn supports the trio getting Chancellor which means that if he is fascist then one of those three are Hitler.

Can someone pull up all the votes for every government and see if D'rek and Nevyn are copying each other votes wise? Can someone pull them up and see if there is a pattern.

You found the problem with your suggestion as you present it.

Has D’rek and Nevyn been on the same page? Ever? She has been against everything Nevyn. If you claim d’rek is fascist her activity suggests Nevyn is her enemy. She was super suspicious of his voting suggestion, something you echo on thread.

Maybe thats an act but the Play D’rek exhibited early game had her fightin Nevyns every choice. Only after you and her enacted a fascist policy did she tone down her criticism of Nevyn and focus on you.

[Tattersail_]

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

5 votes to get the Presidency through yes? Then one vote will 100% be fascist because I'm not electing a possible Hitler. I don't care if I am being symped. Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing. I know D'rek is fascist, that's all I know.

The issue I have is Nevyn/Nom that is the key to this game for me.

If Nevyn is Liberal then the fascists are D'rek, Nom and Cause. Perfect, easy.

The problem I am having is that if Nevyn is Fascist. That opens up Mess, Venge and Dolmen as Fascist.

Nevyn supports the trio getting Chancellor which means that if he is fascist then one of those three are Hitler.

Can someone pull up all the votes for every government and see if D'rek and Nevyn are copying each other votes wise? Can someone pull them up and see if there is a pattern.

You found the problem with your suggestion as you present it.

Has D'rek and Nevyn been on the same page? Ever? She has been against everything Nevyn. If you claim d'rek is fascist her activity suggests Nevyn is her enemy. She was super suspicious of his voting suggestion, something you echo on thread.

Maybe thats an act but the Play D'rek exhibited early game had her fightin Nevyns every choice. Only after you and her enacted a fascist policy did she tone down her criticism of Nevyn and focus on you.

That's what we call distancing. They know each other are fascist, they can argue all they like. They are still protecting Hitler.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:55 PM, said:

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 04:44 PM, said:

5 votes to get the Presidency through yes? Then one vote will 100% be fascist because I'm not electing a possible Hitler. I don't care if I am being symped. Maybe I am not seeing what you are seeing. I know D'rek is fascist, that's all I know.

The issue I have is Nevyn/Nom that is the key to this game for me.

If Nevyn is Liberal then the fascists are D'rek, Nom and Cause. Perfect, easy.

The problem I am having is that if Nevyn is Fascist. That opens up Mess, Venge and Dolmen as Fascist.

Nevyn supports the trio getting Chancellor which means that if he is fascist then one of those three are Hitler.

Can someone pull up all the votes for every government and see if D'rek and Nevyn are copying each other votes wise? Can someone pull them up and see if there is a pattern.

You found the problem with your suggestion as you present it.

Has D'rek and Nevyn been on the same page? Ever? She has been against everything Nevyn. If you claim d'rek is fascist her activity suggests Nevyn is her enemy. She was super suspicious of his voting suggestion, something you echo on thread.

Maybe thats an act but the Play D'rek exhibited early game had her fightin Nevyns every choice. Only after you and her enacted a fascist policy did she tone down her criticism of Nevyn and focus on you.

That's what we call distancing. They know each other are fascist, they can argue all they like. They are still protecting Hitler.

Who would you say are they protecting?

I mean D’reks last post barely passes muster for gameplay

[Cause]

What is Symping. When as fascist tries to support. A liberal to make the liberal look bad?

Have some thoughts but need to go give some lessons. Will be back only late. Currently Messremb is leading the game. He will decide who is president. Is he just busy or trying to play his decision close to his chest.

[D'rek]

In my defense, I did a whole analysis case of Tatts' sudden behaviour relating to other players to try and determine who the other fascist would likely be, and of Nevyn/Nom's motives for acting/responding how they did, in the wake of the Nom/Nevyn+Cause-Find debacle.

It didn't get any traction, and I wasn't really expecting it to given my being stuck in this situation for so much of the game, but it's not like I've just been cracking jokes since the Tatts/me debacle.

My conclusion from analyzing the Nom/Nevyn+CauseFind debacle was that the game seemed to be solved, and Dolmen/Venge/Mess agreed/reached the same conclusion shortly thereafter. That's a win for me, so there hasn't been much point in me clogging the thread with forced extra analysis and long-winded opinions that are going to just be ignored anyway... it would just be a distraction from the solved liberal victory. Though I did still keep pointing out Tatts' contradictory behaviour and question-dodging, 'cause why not.

Seems the game isn't so solved anymore in the last couple pages? I confess I have tuned out a little bit as it seemed I didn't have anything to offer anymore and wasn't needed, either, so I'll give the last couple pages a more thorough re-read... but at first glance it seems to be just you guys suddenly giving unnecessary weight to Tatts' rambling.

[Tattersail_]

See that Dolmen. D'rek hasn't a care in the world. Happy to go with the flow. Same as Nevyn. Hmm funny that.

More and more sure Hitler is one of the 3.

[D'rek]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

See that Dolmen. D'rek hasn't a care in the world. Happy to go with the flow. Same as Nevyn. Hmm funny that.

More and more sure Hitler is one of the 3.

Are you saying that in the situation I outlined it would be an innocent/liberal player's duty to stir shit up?

[Dolmen 2.0]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

See that Dolmen. D'rek hasn't a care in the world. Happy to go with the flow. Same as Nevyn. Hmm funny that.

More and more sure Hitler is one of the 3.

Uhm in all honesty isn't no one else but you, Nom ( and at a stretch possibly Cause) "going against the flow??? "

Mess is silent, but he seemed onboard so yeah I think you and Nom are the exceptions here.

Not a bad thing, just a thing.

[Nevyn]

D, on 27 February 2018 - 05:39 PM, said:

In my defense, I did a whole analysis case of Tatts' sudden behaviour relating to other players to try and determine who the other fascist would likely be, and of Nevyn/Nom's motives for acting/responding how they did, in the wake of the Nom/Nevyn+Cause-Find debacle.

It didn't get any traction, and I wasn't really expecting it to given my being stuck in this situation for so much of the game, but it's not like I've just been cracking jokes since the Tatts/me debacle.

My conclusion from analyzing the Nom/Nevyn+CauseFind debacle was that the game seemed to be solved, and Dolmen/Venge/Mess agreed/reached the same conclusion shortly thereafter. That's a win for me, so there hasn't been much point in me clogging the thread with forced extra analysis and long-winded opinions that are going to just be ignored anyway... it would just be a distraction from the solved liberal victory. Though I did still keep pointing out Tatts' contradictory behaviour and question-dodging, 'cause why not.

Seems the game isn't so solved anymore in the last couple pages? I confess I have tuned out a little bit as it seemed I didn't have anything to offer anymore and wasn't needed, either, so I'll give the last couple pages a more thorough re-read... but at first glance it seems to be just you guys suddenly giving unnecessary weight to Tatts' rambling.

The game is still solved.

Mess got cold feet and now Tatts and Nom are trying a hail mary.

I am assuming Mess will come around and make Venge president who will make Dolmen chancellor. If so, if you're the liberal you absolutely HAVE to approve that team, because the fascist is going to reject it. They are trying to loop around to getting a kill or getting Cause/Nom chancellor

[Itwæs Nom]

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

See that Dolmen. D'rek hasn't a care in the world. Happy to go with the flow. Same as Nevyn. Hmm funny that.

More and more sure Hitler is one of the 3.

Uhm in all honesty isn't no one else but you, Nom ( and at a stretch possibly Cause) "going against the flow??? "

Mess is silent, but he seemed onboard so yeah I think you and Nom are the exceptions here.

Yeah note that for when the game's over