[Vengeance]

Messremb, on 26 February 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 25 February 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

As for waiting i believe vengeance has to officially submit his policy pm, we just already know the result thanks to mess.

Then we wait for Mess to call the special election ( inwhich he should make venge pres)

Drek
Dolmen
Tatts
Cause
Nomnomnomnom
Venge
Nyven
Messremb

I don't like that big gap between Dolmen and Venge. For the next election we have D'rek (1) and then Dolmen (2). People give me a reason why I shouldn't pick a president of Itwas. Dolmen would be 3rd election if Nom doesn't propose someone we like so no chance of a random power. Remaining cards are 3/6 therefore if a liberal card isn't passed to the next chancellor we're rightly suspicious whoever passes it.

Also, I can't recall the beef with Nom, which end of a lie was he on again, Pres or Chancellor?

Because after anyone you pick it reverts back to the original order of Drek then Dolman. By picking me we can get two liberal presidents back to back. Me then Dolman. Obviously we are skipping Drek. It doesn't Go Nom then continue on to me.

Honestly Mess read the rules.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Is Nevyn your pick for Hitler? Is that not the bigger threat and win condition?

I mean if Nevyn is fascist odds are he is not Hitler considering ur situation.

If I was picking a president to kill someone I'd think Hitler should be the target because his election spells game over.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 11:23 AM, said:

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 07:38 AM, said:

If I was president I might actually read up properly and appoint either Tatts or D'rek chancellor
And if a fascist policy was enacted I could just kill Nevyn then?

Interesting.

Say we vote yes to a Nom D’rek or Nom Tatts govt and a fascist policy turns up. Could you explain how this might help anyone information wise?

Just want to follow your thinking on this.

Not sure right now,depends on what would be the policies I passed, but if I understand correctly I'd get the power to kill someone and I'd get us rid of one fascist who also happens to be the most experienced player attempting to drive the thread 🤷

Above response was to this post. Sorry using my phone.

[Dolmen 2.0]

Vengeance, on 27 February 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

Messremb, on 26 February 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 25 February 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

As for waiting i believe vengeance has to officially submit his policy pm, we just already know the result thanks to mess.

Then we wait for Mess to call the special election ( inwhich he should make venge pres)

Drek
Dolmen
Tatts
Cause
Nomnomnomnom
Venge
Nyven
Messremb

I don't like that big gap between Dolmen and Venge. For the next election we have D'rek (1) and then Dolmen (2). People give me a reason why I shouldn't pick a president of Itwas. Dolmen would be 3rd election if Nom doesn't propose someone we like so no chance of a random power. Remaining cards are 3/6 therefore if a liberal card isn't passed to the next chancellor we're rightly suspicious whoever passes it.

Also, I can't recall the beef with Nom, which end of a lie was he on again, Pres or Chancellor?

Well lets see Nom was part of a presidency that picked liberal and part of a presidency that picked Fascists. Which puts him at 50% likelyhood that he is fascits.

You have 3 legit VPI. 2 of whom can be president back to back. If President I will nominate Dolman to be my chancelor and when Dolman is President should nominate you to be chancelor. There is a 60 % chance that a liberal card is shown in my deck. If there is no liberal card. Then I will be able to see the next 3 cards and know what Dolman can play. I say we reset if we haven't won after Dolman. That way Dolman can be president again. Lets not take any chances with adding in any players who are suspicious. That is the safe way to get a liberal win.

I can follow your reasoning and hope other Liberals vote in support.

I honestly thought votes would be in by now.

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 27 February 2018 - 02:07 PM, said:

I am voting no to any president that isn't Mess, Dolman or myself.

Who do you think Hitler is?

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 27 February 2018 - 02:11 PM, said:

Messremb, on 26 February 2018 - 09:28 PM, said:

Nevyn, on 25 February 2018 - 09:05 PM, said:

As for waiting i believe vengeance has to officially submit his policy pm, we just already know the result thanks to mess.

Then we wait for Mess to call the special election ( inwhich he should make venge pres)

Drek
Dolmen
Tatts
Cause
Nomnomnomnom
Venge
Nyven
Messremb

I don't like that big gap between Dolmen and Venge. For the next election we have D'rek (1) and then Dolmen (2). People give me a reason why I shouldn't pick a president of Itwas. Dolmen would be 3rd election if Nom doesn't propose someone we like so no chance of a random power. Remaining cards are 3/6 therefore if a liberal card isn't passed to the next chancellor we're rightly suspicious whoever passes it.

Also, I can't recall the beef with Nom, which end of a lie was he on again, Pres or Chancellor?

Because after anyone you pick it reverts back to the original order of Drek then Dolman. By picking me we can get two liberal presidents back to back. Me then Dolman. Obviously we are skipping Drek. It doesn't Go Nom then continue on to me.

Honestly Mess read the rules.

Nevyn said he had it right. Misinformation.

[Itwæs Nom]

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

Is Nevyn your pick for Hitler? Is that not the bigger threat and win condition?

I mean if Nevyn is fascist odds are he is not Hitler considering ur situation.

If I was picking a president to kill someone I'd think Hitler should be the target because his election spells game over.

He obviously isn't, you, Venge and Mess are my picks for Hitler, problem is the other 2 are liberal and I know for sure that Nevyn is fascist.

Y'all's plan is bound to appoint Hitler chancellor, isn't it? Well, unless you trust Nevyn, that'd basically make Cause Hitler. Yeah I've changed my mind, if I'm president I'm nominating Cause if there's any chance of that govt being approved because nobody else is as likely to be liberal from my pov. I don't give a damn whether that gives any of you any info on anyone, it's the govt that's most likely to pass a liberal policy.

[Itwæs Nom]

How's the policy count and all the other stuff?

[Itwæs Nom]

Wait are we voting on some govt right now?

[Tattersail_]

Wish you played more to be fair Nom but right now, it's looking like D'rek, Nom and Cause as Fascists. So if we go down the route of Mess, Venge and Dolmen we win.

If you are Liberal then you should know 100% that Nevyn is Fascist. D'rek, Nevyn and in my opinion Dolmen. We've lost if we go down the route of Mess, Venge and Dolmen as Chancellor.

The liberals must make hard choices here.

[Itwæs Nom]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 02:47 PM, said:

Wish you played more to be fair Nom but right now, it's looking like D'rek, Nom and Cause as Fascists. So if we go down the route of Mess, Venge and Dolmen we win.

If you are Liberal then you should know 100% that Nevyn is Fascist. D'rek, Nevyn and in my opinion Dolmen. We've lost if we go down the route of Mess, Venge and Dolmen as Chancellor.

The liberals must make hard choices here.

Maybe that's why I'm saying that your plan is bound to appoint Hitler the chancellor

Why do you think Dolmen would be fascist?

[Nevyn]

Cause, on 27 February 2018 - 08:39 AM, said:

Can someone confirm if the policies that don't get passed get shuffled back immediately? I really want to keep an eye of the odds. should have done it from the start but I think I am only learning the game properly as we play.

They don't. They go in the discard pile until 3 cards can't be drawn (or I believe until exactly 3 are left but I'd have to double check on that)

[Tattersail_]

To expand on my thoughts there, if you know 100% that Nevyn is fascist then you know he has made you look like a fascist and done the same with Cause. The difference between you and Cause is that you are 50/50 against Nevyn as Fascist, but Cause is 50/50 with Hitler.

Why would a Fascist cast shade at someone who has not passed a policy? Cause cannot be picked or trusted because of his lie and Nevyn's find.

That leads me down two paths. Nevyn was telling the truth, D'rek, Nom are fascist and Cause is Hitler (he didn't play liberal enough like Nom did) or Nevyn was lying and we have Nevyn, D'rek as fascist with a very well hidden Hitler. In the lie scenario if we know Nevyn is lying then he may be inadvertedly trying to PI you as not Hitler, he could be making us believe Cause is Hitler because of wifom, why would a fascist lie about a liberal player, to sow confusion.


My brain hurts, essentially, its swings and roundabouts.


Gut says Nevyn is lying. Its too tidy to have all fascists known. He's excited he thinks he's going to win. That can only mean Hitler is in the cycle of three. Venge, Messremb and Dolmen. Who keeps attacking Nom and myself out of those? Dolmen. Not Venge, Not Messremb.


From now I am going to stick with the belief that D'rek, Nevyn and Dolmen/Venge or Mess are fascists.

[Itwæs Nom]

Also not appointing one of 4 people among who almost certainly lies Hitler doesn't seem like such a hard choice to me

At this point there are no VPIs but Cause and that's only with the knowledge that I have

I think the best course now would be if everyone decided who's the scum between Me/Nevyn and Tatts/D'rek, mafia style - in mafia we lynch people based on worse odds than 50%, unless it's DDay - and then proceed to nominate the innocents of them chancellors, while your VPHs can happily be their presidents

[Itwæs Nom]

Yes Tatts your opinions certainly swing a lot

[Tattersail_]

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Yes Tatts your opinions certainly swing a lot

The only one I can be sure of is D'rek.

Mess and Venge seem to have played a clean game. Yet they both still passed a fascist policy together. Mess claimed he had no other choice, that'd mean Venge 100% had no choice, and gave Nom no choice earlier when picking a liberal policy.

Venge "seems" the most Liberal so far. So according to the game, does this make him Hitler?

[Vengeance]

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

Is Nevyn your pick for Hitler? Is that not the bigger threat and win condition?

I mean if Nevyn is fascist odds are he is not Hitler considering ur situation.

If I was picking a president to kill someone I'd think Hitler should be the target because his election spells game over.

He obviously isn't, you, Venge and Mess are my picks for Hitler, problem is the other 2 are liberal and I know for sure that Nevyn is fascist.

Y'all's plan is bound to appoint Hitler chancellor, isn't it? Well, unless you trust Nevyn, that'd basically make Cause Hitler. Yeah I've changed my mind, if I'm president I'm nominating Cause if there's any chance of that govt being approved because nobody else is as likely to be liberal from my pov. I don't give a damn whether that gives any of you any info on anyone, it's the govt that's most likely to pass a liberal policy.

If we do what I laid out just up above. Then Nobody other then Myself, Mess or Dolman will be either the chancelor or President. I don't want Nyven to be Chancelor either.

Again

Mess uses his power to pick a president

Next President - Me
Next Chancelor - Dolman

Reverts back to regular list.

Vote no for Drek.

President is Dolman
Chancelor is Mess

3 people who could be fascits. Let the whole thing revert. What ever card is on top is pulled. If a liberal great if a fascists fine we are past the cut off.

President reverts back to Drek. Vote no

Then president is Dolman
Chancelor is either me or Mess.

By god the game should be over by then.

[Vengeance]

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Yes Tatts your opinions certainly swing a lot

The only one I can be sure of is D'rek.

Mess and Venge seem to have played a clean game. Yet they both still passed a fascist policy together. Mess claimed he had no other choice, that'd mean Venge 100% had no choice, and gave Nom no choice earlier when picking a liberal policy.

Venge "seems" the most Liberal so far. So according to the game, does this make him Hitler?

My fucking chancelor was Dolman and I gave him no choice when. Get your shit straight Tatts.

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 27 February 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 27 February 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 03:10 PM, said:

Yes Tatts your opinions certainly swing a lot

The only one I can be sure of is D'rek.

Mess and Venge seem to have played a clean game. Yet they both still passed a fascist policy together. Mess claimed he had no other choice, that'd mean Venge 100% had no choice, and gave Nom no choice earlier when picking a liberal policy.

Venge "seems" the most Liberal so far. So according to the game, does this make him Hitler?

My fucking chancelor was Dolman and I gave him no choice when. Get your shit straight Tatts.

It doesn't matter who you gave them in my point above, I'm saying you gave them no choice.

[Tattersail_]

Vengeance, on 27 February 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 27 February 2018 - 02:37 PM, said:

Dolmen 2.0, on 27 February 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

Is Nevyn your pick for Hitler? Is that not the bigger threat and win condition?

I mean if Nevyn is fascist odds are he is not Hitler considering ur situation.

If I was picking a president to kill someone I'd think Hitler should be the target because his election spells game over.

He obviously isn't, you, Venge and Mess are my picks for Hitler, problem is the other 2 are liberal and I know for sure that Nevyn is fascist.

Y'all's plan is bound to appoint Hitler chancellor, isn't it? Well, unless you trust Nevyn, that'd basically make Cause Hitler. Yeah I've changed my mind, if I'm president I'm nominating Cause if there's any chance of that govt being approved because nobody else is as likely to be liberal from my pov. I don't give a damn whether that gives any of you any info on anyone, it's the govt that's most likely to pass a liberal policy.

If we do what I laid out just up above. Then Nobody other then Myself, Mess or Dolman will be either the chancelor or President. I don't want Nyven to be Chancelor either.

Again

Mess uses his power to pick a president

Next President - Me
Next Chancelor - Dolman

Reverts back to regular list.

Vote no for Drek.

President is Dolman
Chancelor is Mess

3 people who could be fascits. Let the whole thing revert. What ever card is on top is pulled. If a liberal great if a fascists fine we are past the cut off.

President reverts back to Drek. Vote no

Then president is Dolman
Chancelor is either me or Mess.

By god the game should be over by then.

No Venge, unless you are Hitler, you're not seeing the rest of our points at all.

Hitler MUST be one of you, Dolmen or Mess, so if you appoint him Chancellor at this stage we lose.

That's WCS.