[Khellendros]

I'm here. I'll be spending the next few hours going over the thread, and probably quoting loads of posts with some comments. I will then summarise at the end. Feel free to ignore everything I'm posting till I get to the summary, as I'll be mainly doing it for myself in order to put everything in one place. I won't be responding to questions/comments as I'm just going to focus on this. That should also give you guys a chance to focus on something else for a while as well.

[Khellendros]

After that you can lynch me. Or before, up to you.

[Messremb]

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 09:23 AM, said:

After that you can lynch me. Or before, up to you.

I'm going with after.

No interruptions from me, sleep soon. I will be back a couple of hours before timeout to vote.

Also to figure out if the rest of the shed roof is as horribly soft as the bits I just pulled the edging out of...

New shed now looking more of a priority.

[Khellendros]

Tatts and Nom were the first two posters in the game, both killed. Will Blend, as third poster, be next?

Tatts' first (joke) vote is on HD.

This might be an interesting reply to that vote:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 03:35 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

Players still alive: (JPK, Nom, Ment, Tatts, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)



HD has not played in a while, welcome back old friend

Vote Hoosier Daddy

Tatts, how many days until you go crazy town?

Over under .5 days?



Also, checking in from work. Will be intermittent during these hours.

The underlined - indirectly suggests a knowledge that Tatts is town and therefore capable of going 'crazy town.'


Macros' first post and vote is on Blend, no explanation given. Explains it in second post.

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:38 PM, said:

had to go and do the time check but.

his post in the sign up thread about only wanting to lynch venge came after roles were distributed.
he was setting up to get a nice joke vote out on day one

Explanation for not voting for Tatts makes little sense - what role someone had in a previous game has no bearing on the role in the next:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

gives him an easy out if a khell train actually develops and he flips town.

its thin, but it day one and it jumped straight at me *shrug*

I was going to vote you for your jokey HD vote and removal but you were killer last time out so you're second on my list at the minute

This is the kind of thing I look out for with Tatts. He makes a statement like the one below, doesn't often follow it up, turns out to be right. Of course, could be wrong this time, but just gonna take note of this for now.

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:45 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 03:43 PM, said:

Re: Nickelback

Evidently if you are into crowds with lots of pretty 20's women, it's a good eye candy concert.

Also, some of these don't seem like joke votes.

So what does voting for Venge in sign up have to do with Blend actually voting for Khell? Trying to make it seem just like I'm going to knock someone out of my list when there are alternative reasons?

Mac has just said the same thing.

Something in that? Or scum team collaborating?

This kind of line (and similar) still makes me see Blend as town (which is actually worse now, of course. Part of me hopes that when I get to SH Blend turns out to have been cunning scum, but somehow I doubt it):

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 05:11 PM, said:

Good. If I have to get myself lynched on Day 1 in order to effect the lynching of Khell, I'm perfectly fucking fine with that. He just needs to be lynched. Period.

Probably reading too much into this, but will note anyway. Does HD think I'm his symp from what I said and is acknowledging it?

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 05:14 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.

<Snipperty snip>

Khell, you are so subtle, lol.

That's pages 1-10 (20 posts per page). After I run through the thread I'll likely go and take a look at few specific individuals.

[Path-Shaper]

This was last update I think, will check how long left in a moment.

Path-Shaper, on 23 February 2017 - 08:17 PM, said:

It is day 3. 24 hours and 14 minutes left in the day.

9 Players still alive: (Ment, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go night.

4 votes for Khell; Macros, Blend, Bubba, HD
1 vote Mess; SiergieJ


Players not voted: Ment, Khell, Ando, Messremb

[Path-Shaper]

*Send me a selfie* JPK sends the message. A few moments later, *beep beep*

*Here's a Nelfie* the message reads.

JPK opens up the attachment and lo and behold Nom's massive member is staring him right in the face.

"Fuck!" says JPK, yet secretly he loved it. Just what he wanted.

Now he scrolls through his contacts. Hmm, Lady Bliss.
*Send me a selfie*

*Beep Beep*

*Your true desire* the message reads.

Excitedly he opens the message only to find Tattersail's six incher staring back at him.

*Still smells like a foot* is the tag line.

It is day 3. 8 hours and 2 minutes left in the day. (roughly)

9 Players still alive: (Ment, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go night.

3 votes for Khell; Macros, Blend, Bubba
1 vote Mess; SiergieJ


Players not voted: Ment, Khell, Ando, Messremb

[Khellendros]

Pages 11-20:

Me hinting early on at being roled, by the way:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

I would show you everything, but I've been advised not to. After all, if I showed it to you, then I'd be showing it to scum too.

Potentially useful to know:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 05:59 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 03:39 PM, said:

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 03:36 PM, said:

I actually really like nickelback, hating them is just something that has become internet cool to do.
They play their own instruments, write their own songs and don't mime live.
This puts them ahead of 90% of the shite played on "popular" radio.

that aside. I'm coming out swinging

vote blend

Nothing to do with my vote on HD or Blend's on Khell?

It's not like you to vote straight off the bat

What are you talking about? Maccy always votes early, unless he's scum. He's reiterated that countless times.

I also like several of Nickelback's songs/

Again me hinting that I am roled. I've missed out a few others in between too.

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 06:17 PM, said:

HoosierDaddy, on 20 February 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

Khell, did you expect to be persona non grata coming into the game? How do we progress if have the thread just wants to lynch you for no reason?

Yes. The cries grow louder every unsalted game.

Two ways: lynch me; or lynch my identified scum target to demonstrate quite strongly that I am town.

Normally, I would say just lynch me. Well, no, I wouldn't. I wouldn't ever say that. But this time I am especially saying don't do that.

Macros removes from Blend and votes JPK. I'm starting to wonder if he wasn't actually fake symping me. But right now, I'm reducing my suspicion that Mac is a killer - might be something else, but a killer is starting to look a bit less likely at the moment.



I'm not seeing Mess and Blend as potential partners currently, just too similar. Although, having said that, this would be a nice way to deflect from Blend being a killer, by calling him a potential symp with a farfetched theory.

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 06:44 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 06:35 PM, said:

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 06:33 PM, said:

But Khell sure as hell picked it up and is trying to run with it. Don't let him run circles around us again. We should all know better than that by now.

THIS!! ^^^^

You know you have a thought on occasion that just sears away all other?

Picture the scene. Killer and symp. Symp makes a lot of weak noise at killer, lots of attention, focus and voting. Singleminded. Lynch ends up elsewhere when someone comes out with a just slightly better "case." Killers don't kill the centre of attention, they want the distraction around. A killer themself as the centre of attention is in a glorious position of having a perfect reason not to get NK'd.

Now put Khell as killer and Blend as symp...

At this point...yeah, they were for other things (the "slip"). Not reading properly or fake exasperation?

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 07:03 PM, said:

regarding all the votes on Khell.

are any of them actually anything other than
OH ITS KHELL< LYNCH KHELL!!

Okay, at this point, myself, Macros, and Nom are on JPK's train. Nom and I town, that would make Mac scum. Though obviously there's no way JPK would actually know

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 07:51 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 20 February 2017 - 07:42 PM, said:

so who is JPK's partner?

I don't have one because I'm not scum? Look, if I go down come back to this post and look at who has been pushing my lynch. I will guarantee at least one scum will have been on my lynch train by now.

Tatts votes for Blend. It would be interesting to know what Blend thinks about literally anything else.

Tattersail_, on 20 February 2017 - 07:54 PM, said:

remove vote

Vote blend

This tunnel vision is grating and is easy to play off day 2 if Khell comes back innocent.

Fine you think Khell is scum, what do you make of the rest of the players?

Mentalist is currently coming across as the most rational, logical player. He assesses both trains, asks pertinent questions, then votes for a sensible reason on one of the two major trains (one has a case - Nom's case rather than mine - the other does not).


This is quite passionate. Hmm, again, resolve weakening on the potential for Mac to be a killer.

Macros, on 20 February 2017 - 10:33 PM, said:

So you're voting for khell because you think he is scum. Ok, why?
Again

Your votes have been nothing other than OMG WE MUST LYNCH KHELL DERP DERP DERP

Khell has put forth at least a modicum of reasoning to his vote to you, which has seemingly pushed people into further frothing at the mouth absurdism.
We get it, khell is sneaky.
So the fuck what, he has done nothing scummy so far and this deluded rhetoric of blends is quite frankly iritating. Always lynch khell, even if he's town we have to lynch him.
What if he's a guard, a healer or a cop?
How in under fuck would lynching him be beficial for the town?
The nonsense has passed, we have real stuff to play with now and blindly lynching khell because of previous games, without even comparing his play to town or scum performances is fucking retarded.

Siergiej comments and calls out the two of the people who have subsequently died, one of them killed. The stuff on Nom makes me feel that Siergiej is town, because it could have been really useful to go back to at some point had Nom been kept alive.

Siergiej, on 20 February 2017 - 10:47 PM, said:

Another person that has piqued my interest is Nom. I'm not gonna quote his case on JPK for the sake of readability (the post is long and mostly consists of nested quotes but it's this one: https://forum.malaza...18#entry1274818) but it was a decent one. The catch on the timing of JPK's posts was really good, coming back to JPK's latch onto the 'so-called slip', obviously the bait bullshit. For a D1 case it really comes together... BUT THEN.

Nom does this:

Itwæs Nom, on 20 February 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

Now you can go on and call my post a distraction from Khell and for those who haven't done so yet make it an excuse to do so now

I cannot stress out how much I hate this type of play. It has smug scum written all over it. A player who posts a reasonable-looking case and then immediately pokes holes in it to pre-emptively make any counterclaim look scummy. I HATE it. Like Nickelback's music, it's too clean and completely dishonest.

I am not quite ready to vote yet, but trying to decide between JPK and Nom right now. It's Sean Spicer versus Nickelback, tough call, I'd like to lynch both. And for the sake for future SH gloating, I will not be surprised at all if Blend and Khell turn out to be paired killers just fucking with us. But that's pure gut, so not going down that avenue.

Also, I already have my Lana del Rey playlist ready to get me into a sufficiently suicidal mood for when I'm gonna need to re-read the thread and plow through pages upon pages of Mess' pubic hair (or was that Tatts?) and pics of bear balls.

HD sowing the seeds for his Khell vote...

HoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 12:39 AM, said:

So, it almost seems like a faction game right now. I'm being serious. You have one group gunning for Khell, and refusing to acknowledge really anyone else until he's eliminated. Another group that is at least semi-protective, looking for alternatives. And then others that are not really concerned with that particular fight, but more so locating scum.

We can't let this stalemate. It's still fairly early days, but I don't know how we can continue to let this linger past day one without massively fucking up day two as well. It'll hang around.

That being said, I'm going to lay my provisional vote before I go to bed here in a couple of hours. I'll be in and out in the meanwhile.

Having said that, HD votes for me at a time when I'm tied 4-each with JPK. I would suggest it has been more useful to keep me alive as a discussion point (which, again, I was hoping wouldn't happen and also only fought because I'm roled). So does HD simply go for what he sees as the more likely lynch, or is it a true town move? Still 24 hours left in the day when he votes.


Andorion brings up suspicion of Tatts, who died that night.

Andorion, on 21 February 2017 - 05:47 AM, said:

Practically every vote on Khell falls into the OMGUK category (OMG U R Khell!!!!)

I am not convinced.

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 09:15 PM, said:

Since we're getting to a more serious state of play than the earlier shenanigans;

Tatts. Normally he's all over thread getting reactions from people. My sense of him this game has been that he's not been looking at people which strikes me as odd. What do other people think?

Mess makes a point I was considering myself. Tatts should be doing what Blend and JPK are doing, but he isn't.

Interesting.

Messremb has not added anything of value in the first 400 posts.

[Mentalist]

Back, just got to the office. The rain is making me sleepy, and I'm also hurting all over from yesterday's game (it was rough and I feel like a truckload of bricks got dropped on top of me).

Gonna get re-caffeinated and see if khell wrote anything of value

[Siergiej]

At this stage I think we should withhold sharing thoughts on what Khell wrote until D4 and lynch him to avoid doing this all over again tomorrw (unless he drops some bombshell later today).

If Khell is scum and we start discussing his thoughts, we're just reinforcing a train of thought that is leading us astray. If he flips scum, everything he said today should just be disregarded as an attempt to confuse and manipulate town.

If Khell is a Guard and we start discussing his thoughts, we're giving scum information that can alter their NK choices today. Why do that?

[Blend]

Siergiej, on 24 February 2017 - 02:43 PM, said:

At this stage I think we should withhold sharing thoughts on what Khell wrote until D4 and lynch him to avoid doing this all over again tomorrw (unless he drops some bombshell later today).

If Khell is scum and we start discussing his thoughts, we're just reinforcing a train of thought that is leading us astray. If he flips scum, everything he said today should just be disregarded as an attempt to confuse and manipulate town.

If Khell is a Guard and we start discussing his thoughts, we're giving scum information that can alter their NK choices today. Why do that?

There's still plenty of time left in the day, I see no reason not to let Khell say his piece.

[HoosierDaddy]

Agreed.

I'm going to try to eat something in the meanwhile. Hopefully it stays down.

[Siergiej]

Yeah, I want Khell to post whatever thoughts he has to offer. I don't want people dissecting them on thread before timeout.

[Mentalist]

All right, I won't comment then.

Time to get some work done, I suppose... :yawn:

[Blend]

Siergiej, on 24 February 2017 - 03:04 PM, said:

Yeah, I want Khell to post whatever thoughts he has to offer. I don't want people dissecting them on thread before timeout.

So my issue with this is that if I have something important to say, I'm going to say it on the off chance that scum kill me tonight. I'd rather not leave my thoughts unsaid in case I don't get a chance to say them.

[Siergiej]

That was just a suggestion, it's not like I can stop you from sharing your thoughts

[Khellendros]

Pages 21-30:

As Tatts pointed out, there does seem something a little off about this quick sequence of events. But I do see that JPK and Mess cross-posted with each other, rather than rapidly following (and JPK came out RI anyway).

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

Bubba seems to set people up here and Mess and JPK follow the trap.

Bubba, on 20 February 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:29 PM, said:

Blend, on 20 February 2017 - 05:25 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

Which just proves what a standup, useful guy I am to have around.

See, now he's trying to butter you up. He's using alternative facts to make you believe what he wants you to believe. Don't fall for his tricks! Lynch Khell!

I hope you all see how the push to lynch me is a huge propaganda campaign from the fake and false media. They're pushing story after story and post after post at you with their own personal agendas.

These so-called townies are lying to you. It's terrible. But we know the truth, don't we? They're not on your side! They're just looking to take your jobs and your lives and line their own pockets.

Sad.

Hmmm.... a day one slip Kell?

remove vote


vote Kell


I'm off to work. have fun everybody

Messremb, on 20 February 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Khellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:36 PM, said:

I fail to see the slip.

If we told you you'd know what not to do again...

Vote Khell

JPK, on 20 February 2017 - 05:38 PM, said:

Yeah, the "so-called slip" seals the deal for me.

Vote Khell

Very interesting.

Bubba do you still think there is a slip here?

Tatts to Blend. Interesting, not sure if I can see it though.

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 09:01 AM, said:

So we all come into the game and have clear motives and objectives on how to catch scum, or if we unfortunately draw the scum card revise our strategy to try and stay alive. What you are doing is portraying yourself as the person to listen to above all others, that your way is the best way. By getting people to follow you and make you important you get to stay alive, and therefore it would be a great tactic for scum to take. So I am taking what you are saying with a pinch of salt. You don't have to comment on the 11 other players until day 2. Therefore you got no connections and it all hinges on Khell's CF. IF he turns out scum then you cannot possibly be his partner right? Or if he CF's town then you can play the game "properly" and woe is you but at least your list is satisfied. Lynch you if we must but you were just a blinkered townie.

Reading through up to this point, it strikes me that the reason I would off Tatts is because the times when he was serious, he displayed a serious independent streak compared to most others on day 1 - there's just no telling when he's going to switch his highbeams on to you.


Discussion about Blend, Sierg questioning, Andorion stepping in to answer.

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 01:53 PM, said:

Itwæs Nom, on 21 February 2017 - 01:47 PM, said:

Siergiej, on 21 February 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

Mentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

Something about Mess is rubbing me the wrong way in all this. Busy this morning, but in 2-4 hours I should be back in the office and have some time to try to figure out what.

Agreed. I pointed out before that his eagerness to jump in every time Blend came back to his crusade but waiting a long time to put a vote behind this looks spooky.

Also, it doesn't look like anyone is considering Blend for scum. Is it because we just collectively assumed that he is more likely to be a madman than a killer?

There was a short discussion about that yesterday, missed it?

I vaguely recall someone suggesting that Blend is possibly just an honest townie who happens to be very useful to scum - a train of thought I'm tentatively accepting. If there was more, I didn't notice. Will look for it in the evening when I have more time.

[Khellendros]

Now it starts to look like JPK will be lynched, Blend comes out swinging. Point 3 is interesting in light of Tatts getting killed that night.

Blend, on 21 February 2017 - 03:37 PM, said:

Okay, so a few of things:

1) The self vote is ridiculous - we still have quite a bit of time in the day if I'm not mistaken.
2) The resistance to the Khell lynch is very telling. At this point, if the Khell lynch doesn't go through, we are going to be spending Day 2 talking about how you all defended him.
3) Tatts' play IS suspicious. First he was defending Khell, then he was agreeing with me, then he was voting alongside Khell. Perhaps Khell's scum partner?
4) Scum love lists, so I must be scum. Fools.

Another interesting Blend post, would like to know if he stands by these points, and elaboration on reasoning.

Blend, on 21 February 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Looking at the vote recap I have Bubba as a possible symp and JPK and HD possible partners.

JPK and HD? That is a WEIRD pairing.

If anything, I have HD down as PI.

I have you and Khell as partners, and Macros as symp.

Not relevant to anything else, but I couldn't resist. Why is it so hard? Really? Erm, maybe because there was no case, and, oh yeah, I make it difficult to lynch me. You getting to see my CF almost makes me look forward to lynching time.

Blend, on 21 February 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

I mean, if you want to ignore the fact that I mentioned that the amount of pushback on a Khell vote is suspicious, then yeah, I guess you're right. Truth remains, however, that I *did* say that, and it *does* support a Khell lynch. If Khell wasn't scum, why would it be so hard to lynch him? Why are a few people standing up for him? Almost as if they don't want to lose their scum partner or their master?

This is either good distancing or Blend is not a killer.

Blend, on 21 February 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 04:58 PM, said:

Vote JPK


Happy with that vote.

Oh my gosh, shocker, Tatts won't vote out his partner!

Enough people suggested a dislike of Blend's play - and even started voting for him, which I didn't remember - for me to feel quite good about saying he's unlikely to be partnered.


An interesting, and quite plausible, thought from Mac:

Macros, on 21 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

cross post with ment,
cross post of total agreement. Blend wanted to get khell lynched today before the game had even started, it was total bollocks, and rubbed a lot of players the wrong way, myself very much included. Yes I blinker myself on targets, quite a lot but there's at least some modicum of a reason behind my initial vote. I'll stand by my assertion, Blend cost himself the khell lynch yesterday by being so ridiculously vehement and illogical about it, and contributed indirectly to the JPK train. indeed the killers are probably not involved in any of it and are sitting back cackling with glee as once again, we seem intent on fucking ourselves with stupid stupid play.

Here I say at the beginning of day 2 that I suspected Tatts - the person who I've told you I guarded night 1.

Khellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 08:57 PM, said:

I agree that scum have likely hung back a bit more than most. I had actually thought Tatts might be scum because his day 1 play was a little bit different to how it usually is...but apparently not.

Siergiej and Blend are currently low down on the killer ladder. A partnership which seems unlikely based on interaction/play is Mentalist/Messremb.


Messremb is still yet to say anything of note.

[Khellendros]

Bubba and HD also mostly flew under the radar, day 1, around, but not contributing over much aside from one or two posts. Andorion ventured more opinions in his fewer posts.

[Khellendros]

I'm travelling home now so will be a while before I resume.

[Blend]

Khellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Another interesting Blend post, would like to know if he stands by these points, and elaboration on reasoning.

Blend, on 21 February 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

Tattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Looking at the vote recap I have Bubba as a possible symp and JPK and HD possible partners.

JPK and HD? That is a WEIRD pairing.

If anything, I have HD down as PI.

I have you and Khell as partners, and Macros as symp.

I still am doubtful that HD is scum, though less so with each passing day. Thing is, he was one of the "Blend is playing stupid so I refuse to play along" people from Day 1. If it were scum, and Khell is, in fact, town, then it stands to reason that scum would be more likely to just let my ridiculousness pass as long as I wasn't pointing it at a scum partner. So I'm still fairly confident that HD is not scum.

I still think Khell is scum. Obviously Tatts wasn't his partner, and considering Macros brought the case on Khell into Day 3, I'm less certain about whether or not he's a symp. I think it's less likely now, unless, of course, Khell flips town and Macros is someone else's symp.