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Mafia 139.5 NAKED MAFIA! - Game Thread

#1001 User is offline   Mentalist 

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:13 PM

View PostBlend, on 24 February 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

Another interesting Blend post, would like to know if he stands by these points, and elaboration on reasoning.

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View PostTattersail_, on 21 February 2017 - 03:50 PM, said:

Looking at the vote recap I have Bubba as a possible symp and JPK and HD possible partners.


JPK and HD? That is a WEIRD pairing.

If anything, I have HD down as PI.

I have you and Khell as partners, and Macros as symp.



I still am doubtful that HD is scum, though less so with each passing day. Thing is, he was one of the "Blend is playing stupid so I refuse to play along" people from Day 1. If it were scum, and Khell is, in fact, town, then it stands to reason that scum would be more likely to just let my ridiculousness pass as long as I wasn't pointing it at a scum partner. So I'm still fairly confident that HD is not scum.

I still think Khell is scum. Obviously Tatts wasn't his partner, and considering Macros brought the case on Khell into Day 3, I'm less certain about whether or not he's a symp. I think it's less likely now, unless, of course, Khell flips town and Macros is someone else's symp.

He said he was refusing to play along. But he DID vote khell.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:14 PM

So far, khell's thoughts are reinforcing my wish to see Mess' CF.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:22 PM

View PostMentalist, on 24 February 2017 - 04:13 PM, said:

He said he was refusing to play along. But he DID vote khell.


Shit, you're right... Well, then, that definitely shunts him closer to the scum line for me... I still think that there are a couple of people that are more likely to be scum than HD though.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:37 PM

On train, I know there's only a few hours left so I'll endeavour to finish asap once I get home.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

There's about 4 and a bit hours left, if my math is not off.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:50 PM

I hope Khell hurries up. 4 hours is 2 AM for me and there is no way I can stay awake for that long.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 04:58 PM

View PostAndorion, on 24 February 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

I hope Khell hurries up. 4 hours is 2 AM for me and there is no way I can stay awake for that long.


Just tell PS you entrust me with your vote in your absence, :doh:
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 05:09 PM

Sorry y'all. I've been and continue to be sick. I've been mostly sleeping the last two days. I'll go right back to sleep after this post.

Have fun, good luck.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 05:32 PM

It is day 3. 3 hours and 00 minutes left in the day. (roughly)

9 Players still alive: (Ment, Khell, HD, Blend, Ando, Messremb, SiergieJ, Mac, Bubba)
5 votes to lynch. 4 votes to go night.

3 votes for Khell; Macros, Blend, Bubba
1 vote Mess; SiergieJ


Players not voted: Ment, Khell, Ando, Messremb
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 05:58 PM

I'm back.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:34 PM

Ok its been half an hour since Khell posted and I can't stay awake any more.

I am going to bed.

Hope there is a lynch. I don'y want to vote now as it risks a quick lynch.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:39 PM

I will be around until timeout. Dunno about Mess, sierg, HD.
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View PostJump Around, on 23 October 2011 - 11:04 AM, said:

And I want to state that Ment has out-weaseled me by far in this game.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:44 PM

I'm here only for 10 more minutes, will be online later in the evening but defo not for timeout. I will change my vote because Khell is the only lynch we can get and even tho I think Mess is more likely scum, Khell's CF will be useful. Ment, you can hammer before timeout.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:51 PM

Pages 31-40:


Why is HD asking people who to look at? Why not take initiative? Who do you want to look at, HD?

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 09:03 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 08:54 PM, said:

View PostMentalist, on 21 February 2017 - 08:51 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:46 PM, said:

How about this. Lynch my target, whose scum CF will indicate I am town. If he's not scum (and he will be) then lynch me, I won't even fight it or nothing.


It's a win-win.


Now, are you willing to stand by this?



Nope. I don't give up if it's in town's interests for me not to.


Shocking twist!

Ok Khell, Mac, who do you want to look at now?



As, interestingly, Mac says immediately:

View PostMacros, on 21 February 2017 - 09:05 PM, said:

you.
for that single post right there.



Having been challenged, HD volunteers what he will do (not sure if he did or not?)

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

I ask because I'm assuming Blend still wants Khell gone, but with the RI find it throws a little more shade your way than before.

I"m going to read back over a couple of players that haven't really stood out to me so I don't have much of a feel: Sierj, Ando, Bubba.



Mess prods towards Nom:

View PostMessremb, on 21 February 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

I wasn't asked but I'd take a closer look at Nom after that post back on page 10?



Macros challenges HD further after that, which is either good distancing, or puts paid to my Mac/HD theory which was brewing yesterday.


Bubba names a lot of possibles here.

View PostBubba, on 21 February 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 21 February 2017 - 09:14 PM, said:

And I'd like to know what my slip was because I appear to have missed it. I found it interesting Bubba never explained it.

The slip was the way worded a post calling us the so called townies and we should not be trusted.

My gut says that team scum this game is you and HD being the killers with Mac as a symp. That being said taking into account my track record it is more than likely Ment and serg are the killers, with Blend as a symp. No real feeling on Nom.



Early day 2 vote from Bubba, to go with an early day 1 vote. And starting off with talking up Nickleback. Bubba's been playing a fast-draw game and then recede into the background. I don't know how I feel about that yet. The quick decisions are more townie feeling, the withdrawing afterward isn't.

View PostBubba, on 21 February 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

I think I will go with what makes the most sense to me. I think Kell is one of the killers, not by the way he has played, but how those around him have. HD slipped on to Kells train when it looked like his lynch was going to happen (it's how I would play it if it looked my partner was going to be lynched) and macs supper whiny post gives it more validity to me. I'm going to start day two off with a vote on HD his fence sitting posting style, and the way it looked like he was hiding on the Kell train is all I have at the moment. I'm open to a better case if one gets made.

vote HD



HD responds to the Bubba vote. The underlined: So what? Who was to know that JPK would turn out RI, aside from scum?

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 21 February 2017 - 11:40 PM, said:

I didn't slip onto the Khell train. I explained why. I thought we needed to get rid of Khell or Blend, or otherwise D2 would be the same as Day 1. Now that happens not to have happened so far, but Blend's gone quiet for now. Hopefully it will continue to be typical mafia now.

Also, I could have slipped off onto someone else pretty easily. I didn't because of the above reasoning.

If he was my partner, I would have been much more likely to help lynch JPK by moving over to that train. JPK had to vote himself off because I didn't, and notice I was NOT on the RI town train.

But, I can't really defend my overall play-style. It is the way it is. I said earlier that I'm on the fence until I'm not. I got off the fence and stayed there.

I've felt your eye on me since your post earlier about "fence-sitting," it's obvious you don't like that style. But it is what it is.

I find it a bit strange that with everything that has gone down on D1 you come out swinging at a much less likely target.



Messremb finally gets going on day 2, does an assessment/summary of how the votes went down on day 1. Concludes that he thinks Siergiej and Andorion should be looked at more closely for tipping the JPK train. I disagree on Sierg, who actually went and followed a new train on Blend for a while - not something I see scum doing at that point. Andorion perhaps.


Speaking of, why did Andorion go back to find my first post? This is not part of a lengthier analysis, he just literally picked up on this post. That is not a "hang on a second", that is a, "I specifically went to seek this one post out to show you guys."

View PostAndorion, on 22 February 2017 - 09:51 AM, said:

View PostKhellendros, on 20 February 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

I know I say this every game and so it somewhat loses its value, but:

Lynching me would be a mistake.

Also killing me would be a mistake.


Instead, I propose an experiment: lynch Blend or Tatts and see if their heads literally explode. Blend, Tatts, we'll require a live video feed.


Hang on a second...

That comment about lynching is fine given Blend pushing, but why is Khell thinking in terms of killing?

Only a killer worries about killing.

Ergo Khell is scum



Macros also later votes for HD

View PostMacros, on 22 February 2017 - 05:33 PM, said:

I'm going to follow bubba into a
Vote HD

reading through his posts, he didn't see the merit of the khell vote based on khell being khell.
his eventual rationale for it was to break up the intractable voters, and stuck there when the swing was heading JPKs way (pre self vote).

I dunno, there's something about it just read like, here's a reason for me to not be on JPKs train. as it was going to flip town.

come on down HD, the fence must hurt your ass



Nom makes a case on Macros - a case which I liked at the time, and followed. I still kind of like it, but reading through Mac's game overall there's less of a sense of him being a killer (case is quite big, it is post #683).


Siergiej gives out two theories - one on Mess being a killer, the other being me. I'm ready to give the Mess one a bit more credence now (post #690). Siergiej is also working harder than I gave him credit for before.


Siergiej also looks at HD, points out he never did do that Ando/Bubba/Sierg analysis.


HD does turn up eventually, saying he suspects Siergiej and Messremb, and voting the former.


Ment, absent for most of day 2, started drawing up my suspicion. But then he came on, read through, posted a few questions, and provided this excellent summary and assessment. Ment is playing well, for one team or another, depending on the genuineness of his analysis

View PostMentalist, on 23 February 2017 - 05:10 AM, said:

I'm not getting scum vibes from Sierg. I felt he might be JPK's partner on day 1, after he started vote-hopping following JPK's self-vote to L-1, but that theory invalidated itself.

Also not seeing much in Maccy's train, since it seems to be punishing sensible play, because he's being too vocal about. I don't want to prozelytize (sp?), but I mostly agree with his reasoning, and thank fuck Blend was busy today so we didn't have to read 15 more pages of "Khell must die"

HD feels like he's stepping up his game a bit due to pressure, but I don't really follow his conclusion on Sierg either (see above).

Mess played Day 1 eerily similar to Blend.His self-professed reason for sticking to the Khell train is "it was a Day 1 Khell train". Now he's gunning after Sierg, and I don't see a lot of reasons for that in his play. Especially the "low poster to boot" feels like a lazy accusation (considering he was asking if someone would actually read over Sierg's posts to see if there's content).
There's also the fact that Khell stubbornly presents him as a symp, which would invalidate a lynch suggestion.

vote Messremb



Mess responds by switching to me:

View PostMessremb, on 23 February 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

I don't see any merit in a lynch of me although I will look back and see what the reasons are.

Remove Vote

Vote Khellendros


I am open for a switch to Mac




Andorion and Messremb climbing up the scum ladder. Bubba and Ment climbing down a little.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:52 PM

Day 2 much more interesting than day 1, turns out, despite all the participation.

Conclusion: Don't focus on me :doh:
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 06:53 PM

Last ten pages now.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:19 PM

Pages 41-51:


Interesting thing by Messremb to say at end of day, just before Nom is killed.

View PostMessremb, on 23 February 2017 - 08:14 AM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 23 February 2017 - 08:13 AM, said:

View PostMessremb, on 23 February 2017 - 08:10 AM, said:

View PostItwęs Nom, on 23 February 2017 - 08:09 AM, said:

I'm in a class btw


Are you doing an evil scummy chortle and getting odd looks from your classmates?


As always


Scum!

(No really, I may build a case on you tomorrow now!)




This is also interesting. Switching to Mac after I reveal, in order to try and get some kind of lynch. I wonder if scum would push that, or wait to see how others reacted first?

View PostMessremb, on 23 February 2017 - 08:28 AM, said:

Can we get Mac?

Remove Vote

Vote Macros




Yeah reading end of day 2/night 2, Mess falls down the scum ladder again somewhat. Sensible questions, sensible responses and speculation...at least, I thought so. Mac and Siergiej had the opposite reaction to that interaction.


Mac also mentions Nom just before he dies - the He is supposed to be HD.

View PostMacros, on 23 February 2017 - 09:02 AM, said:

My feelings during the read up were of, well fuck nom, I don't like the cut of his jib.
And He seems to have slipped by



Mac doesn't buy my reveal, votes for me. Have to say it reads quite genuine.


A bit ironic of HD this. I'd say after Ando he's been the least 'into' this game:

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View PostAndorion, on 23 February 2017 - 12:34 PM, said:

Shit - I think 7 pages got added when I was away.

Nom was RI - huh.

What a day.

Reading up, or trying to rather


Can you give me one example of being into this game? A quote, a vote, anything?

Seriously. Not being a dick, just wondering.



Blend votes for me - what's more interesting is that he names Nom, when Nom's dead. A killer would presumably remember...

View PostBlend, on 23 February 2017 - 03:02 PM, said:

View PostMacros, on 23 February 2017 - 10:16 AM, said:

Cue blend creaming his pants


Well I wasn't gonna say anything about it....


Seriously though, I'm glad that SOMEONE said it, cause I was definitely going to say something, and I worried that you all would just take it as my continued hardon for getting Khell lynched.

I don't for a second believe that reveal. A last minute reveal of a guard role? There is legitimately no way for him to confirm that without his dying. And then we're made to believe that scum wasn't around to change their kill order to get rid of him? So he's not only trying to PI himself, he's PI-ing those who were around at end of day - off the top of my head that's Siergiej, Mess, Nom and himself? It all smells of scummy bullshit to me. How many times are you all going to let scum go?

vote Khellendros



Interesting post by Andorion, the first person to really say something a bit more extensively about Ment (even if the conclusion - Ment being by symp - is wrong)

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View PostMentalist, on 23 February 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

Well, that was predictable.

I can see the merit in a khell lynch, for sure. But on the off chance he's not lying, we might be crippling town.

I think I'm still leaning towards mess atm. Buit I need to work for a few hours, I'll think on it until lunch time.


Ok, I have zero evidence for this, but this post just made my hair stand on end.

I have seen Ment do this before.

He sees a lynch going towards someone he wants safe. He half agrees, but prevaricates, throws in a vague alternative target and after some time builds a semi-plausible case to support himself.

I have seen him weasel out of impossible situations with this.

I think Khell is scum and Ment is a symp



HD continues to mostly follow, other than turning an eye on the person least likely to be around to defend themselves.

View PostHoosierDaddy, on 23 February 2017 - 08:09 PM, said:

Khell reveals guard. Nobody believes him? Under duress, yes.

Ando was at least honest about not following the thread, but. Seriously? Do your job and follow the thread. I'm ready to vote you right now for that reason.

Siergeij? (Sorry) is still on my keep looking at list.

Vote Khell

This will clear a lot of thread crap as well as finish the question once and for all.



And after that everybody politely waited for me to do this. Okay. So let's see.
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:26 PM

View PostKhellendros, on 24 February 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

And after that everybody politely waited for me to do this. Okay. So let's see.


Aye, let us see.

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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:27 PM

Uhh, that waan't a let us see I'm going to do a bit summary was it?

If so name your suspects, quick!

(Also sorry if so)
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Posted 24 February 2017 - 07:29 PM

It was.
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