[Salt-Man Z]

Someday I will watch this show, but I hate watching TV on something other than a TV, and I'd have to purchase additional hardware to watch All Access on my TV, so today is not that day.

But anyway, holy crap Rebecca Romijn is playing Number One!?

[Cause]

She has changed

[Primateus]

Goddamnit, but Tig is funny as hell!

Also, yes. That was Rebecca Romijn? I would not have guessed that if I had a thousand guesses.

I would never have connected Star Trek and Romijn, but goshdarn, it suits her.

This post has been edited by Primateus: 08 February 2019 - 06:05 PM

[QuickTidal]

Primateus, on 08 February 2019 - 06:03 PM, said:

Goddamnit, but Tig is funny as hell!

Agreed. She needs to become a regular starring cast member. She's utterly delightful!

[Tsundoku]

Ep 3 - curvy redhead just ran a half marathon (21 km/13 miles) and isn't even sweating???

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 15 February 2019 - 12:53 PM

[Mezla PigDog]

Tsundoku, on 15 February 2019 - 12:53 PM, said:

Ep 3 - curvy redhead just ran a half marathon (21 km/13 miles) and isn't even sweating???

I just watched this one too. After my original enthusiasm I'm not entirely liking it. Too much Spock even though he isn't in it yet. I don't want Discovery to be "Spock: The Lost Years". And they need to be careful with Tilly before she gets too silly to possibly be allowed on the bridge. She's basically Wesley Crushed without the excuse of having been given a nod through by a multi dimensional being.

It's amazing how the Klingons growing their hair has changed them back into how they used to look.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Enjoyed the most recent episode (Michelle Yeoh is GOLD) but also having an uneasy feeling about how long they're going to drag the Spock stuff out before we see him, and then how much it's going to take over when we do see him.

[Mezla PigDog]

I'm up to date. I agree RTB - hopefully he's in and out and just a plot device rather than lynchpin. I want Pike to move on as well as he feels like a precursor to Kirk. Discovery needs to stand on its own like in S1. I like how it's getting more and more sciency though. My PhD is in fungal molecular biology so I'm totally envisaging myself in astrobiology and the mycelial network. I'm just a couple of centuries too early damnit.

And we might be in luck. The only character to stay dead so far is Lorca. If good Lorca comes back will he be as hot as Terran Lorca? Hmmm.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Mezla PigDog, on 18 February 2019 - 09:38 PM, said:

And we might be in luck. The only character to stay dead so far is Lorca. If good Lorca comes back will he be as hot as Terran Lorca? Hmmm.

I would be willing to derail the whole story line in order to study this very question. For science, you understand

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Most recent episode is very much vintage Trek for me - Prime Directive/General Order One causing shenanigans. And nary a mention of Spock!

[Blend]

Anyone seen SE nerd-raging over the uneven writing for this season's Discovery?

https://steven-eriks...CHcEtyRKgKZzysk

[Primateus]

Blend, on 28 February 2019 - 10:08 PM, said:

Anyone seen SE nerd-raging over the uneven writing for this season's Discovery?

https://steven-eriks...CHcEtyRKgKZzysk

Yup, an interesting read, but I can't help but think that he's fallen down the same rabbit hole that serious fans of stuff often do.

I'm not sure if he's right or wrong, but to me it reads like he doesn't want Star Trek to change. Like it has to be like the older series, or it's not Star Trek.

I see a lot of people complaining about that, and I just can't take it seriously.

Maybe it's just because my biggest grief with Star Trek has always been that it just seems like the same over and over and over again, no matter which series it is. And it seems like they're often stuck in the 20th century, nothing's ever new. Discovery, I won't say if it's good or bad, but it at least seems to try something new.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Blend, on 28 February 2019 - 10:08 PM, said:

Anyone seen SE nerd-raging over the uneven writing for this season's Discovery?

https://steven-eriks...CHcEtyRKgKZzysk

Yup. Interesting enough read but as Primaetus says he just ends up coming off as a too-serious "this ST isn't like insert specific iteration of ST here and therefore I hate it".

I don't know enough about screenwriting et al to say if he's right or wrong. However, despite everything he's pointing to I still enjoy watching Discovery, and I enjoyed the first two reboot films because I'm able to switch my brain off and enjoy something as a big dumb space adventure without wondering how much Rodenberry would be turning in his grave. Sometimes big dumb space adventure is what I'm in the mood for. If I'm in the mood for something more cerebral in space, I'll go watch TNG.

Things change. If you don't like it, that's fine, but stop making out that everyone who does is stupid because they don't see all the things you do/possibly do but don't care about them so much.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 01 March 2019 - 07:10 AM

[Cause]

He seems to writing as a continuation of hate from the abrahms movies which I enjoyed but I think he still has some good points that are specific to the show. The show is watchable, I watch it but I don't love it. There actually isn't a single character who I particularly enjoy. Michael is annoying, tilly is annoying, mushroom-navigator is unlikeable.

One point Erickson makes which I agree with completely

'Does anyone know who the rest of the bridge crew are? I mean, we keep seeing them and stuff. But this plays into the structural problems with the whole series. No time! Onto the next action scene!'

Their is the black women with dreadlocks? She does what? Their is the robot or cyborg lady? Is she a robot like data? a race of robots? A cyborg? Did she evolve or was she built? Their is the scarred veteran. she does what? what is her name? Their is some guy who in the most recent episode stood up to defend the captain from Saru when he was losing his cool. Who is he again? He is not wrong. action takes place on discovery but the ship and her crew are just a backdrop.

He is also not wrong that the chief engineer never seems to fix anything but the spore drive and for one of the senior most officers on the ship never gives any orders, except to maybe tilly.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Cause, on 01 March 2019 - 08:55 AM, said:

He seems to writing as a continuation of hate from the abrahms movies which I enjoyed but I think he still has some good points that are specific to the show. The show is watchable, I watch it but I don't love it. There actually isn't a single character who I particularly enjoy. Michael is annoying, tilly is annoying, mushroom-navigator is unlikeable.

One point Erickson makes which I agree with completely

'Does anyone know who the rest of the bridge crew are? I mean, we keep seeing them and stuff. But this plays into the structural problems with the whole series. No time! Onto the next action scene!'

Their is the black women with dreadlocks? She does what? Their is the robot or cyborg lady? Is she a robot like data? a race of robots? A cyborg? Did she evolve or was she built? Their is the scarred veteran. she does what? what is her name? Their is some guy who in the most recent episode stood up to defend the captain from Saru when he was losing his cool. Who is he again? He is not wrong. action takes place on discovery but the ship and her crew are just a backdrop.

He is also not wrong that the chief engineer never seems to fix anything but the spore drive and for one of the senior most officers on the ship never gives any orders, except to maybe tilly.

That sums it up really well for me - the watching it but not loving it. I am enjoying it but my preferred iteration (TNG) had me fully emotionally involved and Discovery isn't doing that.

And yes, completely agreed on the bridge crew thing - for example I know the cyborg is a science officer but still couldn't tell you her name. I notice it but can't say it stops me enjoying it. It probably comes back to it being my "switch off and enjoy" telly.

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 01 March 2019 - 09:41 AM

[Primateus]

Cause, on 01 March 2019 - 08:55 AM, said:

-and for one of the senior most officers on the ship never gives any orders, except to maybe tilly.

That may well be the point. I'll have to review them, but didn't he essentially state in one of the first episodes that he was a scientist who'd been given a commission to research the mycelial network by Starfleet? Stametz may not even consider himself as an actual officer.


When I was in the army there were doctors who had been given commissions as officers. None but a few considered themselves as actual officers. They never gave orders except when it came to doctor stuff, and they never cared about what kind of bling they had on their shoulders. They were doctors, not military personnel.

I know that may be reaching, but it's plausible.

[Cause]

Primateus, on 01 March 2019 - 10:08 AM, said:

Cause, on 01 March 2019 - 08:55 AM, said:

-and for one of the senior most officers on the ship never gives any orders, except to maybe tilly.

That may well be the point. I'll have to review them, but didn't he essentially state in one of the first episodes that he was a scientist who'd been given a commission to research the mycelial network by Starfleet? Stametz may not even consider himself as an actual officer.


When I was in the army there were doctors who had been given commissions as officers. None but a few considered themselves as actual officers. They never gave orders except when it came to doctor stuff, and they never cared about what kind of bling they had on their shoulders. They were doctors, not military personnel.

I know that may be reaching, but it's plausible.

You could have a point. To be honst until Erickson implied he was the chief engineer I didn't know or had forgot this point. If he is the chief engineer however then its either a mistake to portray him the way he is, or discovery better find a real chief engineer asap. That said Discovery has clearly made a choice to focus less on the engineering techno bable at least in regards to warp engines and space phenomenon sucking power etc

[Tsundoku]

" ...Burnham’s voice-over (logs?) eschewing telling us where the hell the ship is and what it’s supposed to be doing or anything useful, instead engaging in self-indulgent navel-gazing, thus accurately reflecting this narcissistic Abramverse, to a T."

I found this bit most interesting.

[TheRetiredBridgeburner]

Tsundoku, on 01 March 2019 - 01:22 PM, said:

" ...Burnham's voice-over (logs?) eschewing telling us where the hell the ship is and what it's supposed to be doing or anything useful, instead engaging in self-indulgent navel-gazing, thus accurately reflecting this narcissistic Abramverse, to a T."

I found this bit most interesting.

...... ever heard of the Kharkanas books, Steve?

This post has been edited by TheRetiredBridgeburner: 01 March 2019 - 02:33 PM

[Cause]

Stamets is not the chief engineer. he is just the spore drive specialist.