[Messremb]

Mezla PigDog, on 25 January 2019 - 12:45 PM, said:

Oh and my cousin is struggling to have her regular prescription for her blood glucose monitoring strips and insulin fulfilled. Diabetic comas must be being planned into the no deal contingency I guess.

Must be a local thing as mine have been steady as a rock. Humalog at least are made in Puerto Rico not the EU.

[Maark Abbott]

Dorset for one has run out of a lot of very important meds. Blue passports though!

[Gorefest]

Made by a French-Dutch company.

[Mezla PigDog]

I can't figure out the balance of opinion in the House following on from tonights votes. Is it that there still isn't a majority for anything except the Leave Labour MPs supported the amendment to renegotiate the Irish Backstop along with the right winger and the centrist Tories who don't want to rock the good ship Tory Government? At least the amendment was for new ideas so long as they prevent a hard border. It's still an infuriating lack of clarity for businesses and services to plan anything.

We have implemented an emergency plan at work today. We can't legally force clients to move from the UK to the Dutch business but they got a strongly worded communication suggesting they really ought to. Lots of hands diverted to that activity now to the exclusion of all else. It will lead to a very significant hit on the bottom line this year.

I also received a reply from my MP. He's a moderate Tory and only elected in 2016 so probably not shown his true colours yet. He's in the "Norway Plus" camp. His letter says that the ERG and the Labour leadership are pushing for No Deal. I don't naturally jump to agree with him on his Labour stance but I do wonder. If there was a no deal then wouldn't Labour come out of the ashes looking more credible than the Tories? Only slightly more but that's potentially still enough to win a few elections with the competition terribly tainted by the Brexit disaster.

Urgh, I'm believing a Tory.

[Gorefest]

What? Politicians flushing the country down the drain to achieve party political gains? Never!

[Illuyankas]

Don't believe the Tories - Labour have been forced to be tactical since so many Labour seats voted Leave but the six tests are impossible to fulfill by design and the line has always been a negotiated deal that meets those tests with a customs union with absolutely not prospect of no deal.

It doesn't matter how Euroskeptic Corbyn actually is or what the Daily Mail spews out, he's not an idiot, his advisors and closest colleagues like McDonnell and Abbot are not idiots, and they all know 1. a no deal completely shafts the nation and screws over the vulnerable people they're attempting to help with their planned progressive legislation, and 2. that legislation is dead in the water if Labour were responsible for no deal in any way which is why their actions have been to prevent that happening; sadly thanks mostly to the PLP they aren't in power yet so it's still the entire fault of the Tories, who you should not believe on anything at all in the slightest.

What these means for the House is another step closer to economocide and thirteen* Labour MPs having deselection paperwork drawn up as we speak but there'll be no real change as the EU have already stated they're still rejecting the deal since May hasn't dealt with the backstop issue so it's all kicking the can down the road.

In summary, NEVER BELIEVE A TORY


*Dennis Skinner will hopefully reflect on the fact that despite his long and storied career of being a dick to the Tories he's been helping keeping them in power while distracted by Brexit, and as a result get his fucking act together

[Maark Abbott]

It's just lunacy. And as always, point out the fact businesses are relocating abroad due to this fiasco to a Brainleteer, and you get "muh wot, good hard brexit lol project fear 😅😆😆😆"

They can't name the EU laws they purport to hate, or the WTO terms they vigorously masturbate to nightly. In honesty I feel like the Leave camp both lack capacity to consider the above whilst simultaneously fulfilling Churchill's argument against democracy.

[Tsundoku]

"Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…" House of Commons, 11 November 1947

"If I had to sum up the immediate future of democratic politics in a single word I should say “insurance.” That is the future—insurance against dangers from abroad, insurance against dangers scarcely less grave and much more near and constant which threaten us here at home in our own island." —Free Trade Hall, Manchester, 23 May 1909

"At the bottom of all the tributes paid to democracy is the little man, walking into the little booth, with a little pencil, making a little cross on a little bit of paper—no amount of rhetoric or voluminous discussion can possibly diminish the overwhelming importance of that point." —House of Commons, 31 October 1944

"How is that word “democracy” to be interpreted? My idea of it is that the plain, humble, common man, just the ordinary man who keeps a wife and family, who goes off to fight for his country when it is in trouble, goes to the poll at the appropriate time, and puts his cross on the ballot paper showing the candidate he wishes to be elected to Parliament—that he is the foundation of democracy. And it is also essential to this foundation that this man or woman should do this without fear, and without any form of intimidation or victimization. He marks his ballot paper in strict secrecy, and then elected representatives and together decide what government, or even in times of stress, what form of government they wish to have in their country. If that is democracy, I salute it. I espouse it. I would work for it.” —House of Commons, 8 December 1944

This post has been edited by Tsundoku: 30 January 2019 - 09:42 AM

[Cause]

At what point can we just say outside forces are trying to destabilize britian and call this off?

If MI6 cant find evidence Russia influenced brexit they should make some. Its like watching a healthy man hack off his own foot at this point.

[Mezla PigDog]

Brexit central in my work inbox this morning. So depressing, there's no escape. I'm already overworked and everything else now has to take a back seat to this. I found myself compelled to apologise on behalf of Britain when talking to a French client earlier. "Sorry you have to jump through these new hoops just to remain our customer but at least we won't charge you for it". The economic hit will be pushed down onto the other stuff that was supposed to help to reduce the chronic overwork! Jacob Rees Mogg can kiss my arse.

I'm almost passed caring on the deal so long as there is one. I can live with a Norway style exit. It's pointless but I can live with it. But that's the kind of defeatism the bastards want.

Corbyn is going to talk to May. Well whoopy frickin do.

[Morgoth]

hah, as if the UK will ever accept a system like ours. It's just a talking point made by politicians whom have not actually read what our system entails.

[Gorefest]

Norway plus wouldn't work. The Brexiteers' main sparring point is that they want to be able to make free trade deals, whereas any Norway-style agreement would still tie them in with EU trade deals. Plus you'd still have to accept free movement of people, I think? It would never fly, no matter what some politicians claim. It is one of the worst possible outcomes bar a 'no deal' Brexit.

This post has been edited by Gorefest: 30 January 2019 - 01:58 PM

[Mezla PigDog]

That's why I can live with a Norway style one - it's essentially pointless and we would be better off staying in but things continue to run kind of as is. I understand the legislation. Of course the Brexiteers wouldn't accept it. Anything acceptable to a Remainer is unacceptable to them. How did we get to a point where the right wing of the Tory Party is holding everyone to ransom?!?

Rhetorical question, I know how we got here but it's just so unutterably awful.

Last night was an exercise in delusion, we haven't moved forward one iota since May brought back "the Deal" in December. Genuinely what is your average sensible and informed citizen supposed to do here?

Stockpile food and medicines I guess.

[Mentalist]

Mezla PigDog, on 30 January 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

That's why I can live with a Norway style one - it's essentially pointless and we would be better off staying in but things continue to run kind of as is. I understand the legislation. Of course the Brexiteers wouldn't accept it. Anything acceptable to a Remainer is unacceptable to them. How did we get to a point where the right wing of the Tory Party is holding everyone to ransom?!?

Rhetorical question, I know how we got here but it's just so unutterably awful.

Last night was an exercise in delusion, we haven't moved forward one iota since May brought back "the Deal" in December. Genuinely what is your average sensible and informed citizen supposed to do here?

Stockpile food and medicines I guess.

"Pessimist studies Mandarin

Realist studies the AK-47 M-16"

[Maark Abbott]

Mentalist, on 30 January 2019 - 03:55 PM, said:

Mezla PigDog, on 30 January 2019 - 02:20 PM, said:

That's why I can live with a Norway style one - it's essentially pointless and we would be better off staying in but things continue to run kind of as is. I understand the legislation. Of course the Brexiteers wouldn't accept it. Anything acceptable to a Remainer is unacceptable to them. How did we get to a point where the right wing of the Tory Party is holding everyone to ransom?!?

Rhetorical question, I know how we got here but it's just so unutterably awful.

Last night was an exercise in delusion, we haven't moved forward one iota since May brought back "the Deal" in December. Genuinely what is your average sensible and informed citizen supposed to do here?

Stockpile food and medicines I guess.

"Pessimist studies Mandarin

Realist studies the AK-47 M-16"

*HK416

[Grief]

Mezla PigDog, on 29 January 2019 - 10:28 PM, said:

I also received a reply from my MP. He's a moderate Tory and only elected in 2016 so probably not shown his true colours yet. He's in the "Norway Plus" camp. His letter says that the ERG and the Labour leadership are pushing for No Deal. I don't naturally jump to agree with him on his Labour stance but I do wonder. If there was a no deal then wouldn't Labour come out of the ashes looking more credible than the Tories? Only slightly more but that's potentially still enough to win a few elections with the competition terribly tainted by the Brexit disaster.

Urgh, I'm believing a Tory.

I do think a lot of what we're currently seeing publicly is the result of political positioning for a no deal scenario. Not necessarily pushing for it, but trying to make sure you look good if or when it happens. The whole "go back to Brussels to re-negotiate things that Brussels has said aren't negotiable" thing has a strong element of domestic theatre. And looking at British media coverage you can see why. Watching the BBC you'd get the impression that Britain was negotiating with a single entity and that reaching a British parliamentary consensus is really the only hurdle...

Anecdotally, I'm currently working in Brussels and over the past couple of weeks everyone seems to have noticeably ramped up preparations for a no deal; including on the UK financial side.

Also 'Norway plus' is basically a Brexiteer's nightmare vision of the EU. I completely agree with Morgoth here; the point relies on people being ignorant about what the system entails. But given that we're talking about Brexit I'm not sure that disqualifies it .

[Malankazooie]

This guy is my new favorite thing. You guys familiar? or no?

[Maark Abbott]

His former Party are so pissed off at him being sensible that they've threatened to block him from getting a Peerage.

[worry]

Blimey!

[Primateus]

Yup, they elected him because they said he was totally unbiased. And then, when he actually demonstrated that he was at least mostly unbiased, suddenly that was a big problem.