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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:22 PM

What do people think about Corbyn refusing talks unless May rules out a no-deal Brexit? I think he is so right. The Tories are spinning it into Labour refusing to play nice but the Government have had two years to play nice and not even tried. May is still playing to the MPs from ERG and DUP which means she thinks she can find a deal that will win the votes of all Tory MPs and the DUP. Which also means she is mad - it's time to castrate the ERG and forget the DUP and play to the moderate majority of the house. She can't do that because if she loses the DUP then she loses the confidence of Parliament to run the government and that means a General Election. She spouts off about an election being unsafe because of the risk of Corbyn which shows an inherent lack of respect for the electorate and the process but then she has to respect the referendum result. Goddamned hypocrites. I'm having an aneurysm here.

I work daily with EU regulatory agencies across Europe. I just heard that various EU governments are seriously ramping up their preparations for no-deal. In the medical device industry they have to ensure the devices that are regulated via the UK - which is about 75% of all medical devices used in Europe - can still get into the EU on 30 March or they will have a huge public health crisis. The risk doesn't run the same direction into the UK as the UK government have said in the event of a no-deal Brexit they will respect the EU Regulatory approval anyway until further notice. We're talking pace makers, hip implants, devices that screen blood donations for infection, baby incubators, MRI machines, condoms, contact lenses, pregnancy tests etc etc etc - absolutely crucial stuff.

Just think of the EU tax payers money that is being spent on this stuff that is all for a scenario that could be ruled out if Teresa May and the Tories weren't twats.

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:26 PM

View PostSilencer, on 17 January 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:


There is this great skit about gun control John Oliver did, and it has a segment addressing arguments based on political suicide.
A politicians job is to do the best thing for the nation. If that means committing political suicide, so be it. Their career is secondary to the lives and wellbeing of their constituents.


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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:34 PM

View PostMezla PigDog, on 18 January 2019 - 12:22 PM, said:

What do people think about Corbyn refusing talks unless May rules out a no-deal Brexit? I think he is so right. The Tories are spinning it into Labour refusing to play nice but the Government have had two years to play nice and not even tried. May is still playing to the MPs from ERG and DUP which means she thinks she can find a deal that will win the votes of all Tory MPs and the DUP. Which also means she is mad - it's time to castrate the ERG and forget the DUP and play to the moderate majority of the house. She can't do that because if she loses the DUP then she loses the confidence of Parliament to run the government and that means a General Election. She spouts off about an election being unsafe because of the risk of Corbyn which shows an inherent lack of respect for the electorate and the process but then she has to respect the referendum result. Goddamned hypocrites. I'm having an aneurysm here.

I work daily with EU regulatory agencies across Europe. I just heard that various EU governments are seriously ramping up their preparations for no-deal. In the medical device industry they have to ensure the devices that are regulated via the UK - which is about 75% of all medical devices used in Europe - can still get into the EU on 30 March or they will have a huge public health crisis. The risk doesn't run the same direction into the UK as the UK government have said in the event of a no-deal Brexit they will respect the EU Regulatory approval anyway until further notice. We're talking pace makers, hip implants, devices that screen blood donations for infection, baby incubators, MRI machines, condoms, contact lenses, pregnancy tests etc etc etc - absolutely crucial stuff.

Just think of the EU tax payers money that is being spent on this stuff that is all for a scenario that could be ruled out if Teresa May and the Tories weren't twats.


In effect - yes, it's a reasonable standpoint. In negotiations, you don't give and not take - especially not when your position is flimsy. I wouldn't expect to present a claim to a defendant without giving them something (i.e. evidence) in return. Ultimately she's done this U-turn to try and save face because as your rightly state, they've had (over) two years (30 months) to play nice and outright refused to do so. Ultimately siding with the DUP has already caused instability (see: the Troubles) and her comments around "we will never allow him (Corbyn) to take office" quite clearly show that even if an election was won by Labour, they'd not respect the result.

The UK is beginning to run out of medications already due to this, which is reassuring. But then again, poor folk dying is in line with the Tory pogroms, so I suppose it fits.

I'm leaning more and more towards the Carcanos as the best way to deal with the Tory party at this stage. Perhaps Nico's not actually so far removed from reality as we'd thought.
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:39 PM

View PostCause, on 18 January 2019 - 12:26 PM, said:

View PostSilencer, on 17 January 2019 - 10:22 PM, said:


There is this great skit about gun control John Oliver did, and it has a segment addressing arguments based on political suicide.
A politicians job is to do the best thing for the nation. If that means committing political suicide, so be it. Their career is secondary to the lives and wellbeing of their constituents.


Please seek the guidance of a mental health profesiona immediately, you are suffering from severe delusions


Oh, I know most politicians are assholes.

But the point is...it happened. Australian politicians put the need for gun control before their careers.

I'm not saying that it is likely, easy, etc, but it has happened before and it can happen again. More importantly, it should happen again.
There is no reason it can't. And if you keep accepting that malign self-interest is normal then it will never change.

There's a lot of people talking in this thread like there is no hope. And I get that. But maybe don't count yourselves out before the end based on assumptions we all share about our politicians around the world and you might end up with a better outcome? Otherwise you all might as well stop caring about Brexit because Trump is going to nuke the world and there is no way he can be stopped, right? /sarcasm
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 12:54 PM

View PostMezla PigDog, on 18 January 2019 - 12:22 PM, said:

What do people think about Corbyn refusing talks unless May rules out a no-deal Brexit? I think he is so right. The Tories are spinning it into Labour refusing to play nice but the Government have had two years to play nice and not even tried.


Agreed 100%.

Oh, the opposition doesn't want to dance to your tune now you want to save face? Best insult the electorate's right to decide against you and your party then!

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Posted 18 January 2019 - 03:07 PM

View PostSilencer, on 18 January 2019 - 12:39 PM, said:

Otherwise you all might as well stop caring about Brexit because Trump is going to nuke the world and there is no way he can be stopped, right? /sarcasm

Honestly, this fits in the "not actually the worst possible outcome" category. :p
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Posted 18 January 2019 - 07:49 PM



Not sure if any of you will be familiar with O'Rourke, or why some of this is hilarious
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 08:19 AM

What mad times we live in... Dyson relocates to Singapore just as Singapore signs a free trade deal with the EU (mention this to Brekheads and they'll point out 'it's only two people', ignorant of the fact that a company is a legal Person).

Wetherspoons are now leaflet dropping their in-pub hate rag through letterboxes.

A large, alrge number of major companies are relocating or re-registering under foreign governments.

And to top it off, those politicians who campaigned most voraciously for Leave are also relocating their companies and assets to EU nations. It's almost as if they're aware this is all a terribly stupid idea!
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 11:21 AM

May really missed a trick by not trying harder to get Labour involved in the original deal to begin with, so they'd be culpable too and therefore also to blame for the inevitable fuckup due to the Tory involvement (though the red lines and six tests thing means they'd have had to decline regardless)

Then again May misses a lot of tricks
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 12:20 PM

The Netherlands has confirmed that they are currently speaking to over 250 international companies based in the UK about relocating to the Netherlands. Sony, Discovery and Norinchukin have already done so. This according to one of the leading national newspapers.

I assume that if that many companies are speaking to the Netherlands, the same will hold true for Germany, France, Belgium, etc. Brace yourselves.
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 03:04 PM

It will probably be disproportionately skewed towards the Netherlands and Ireland due to English language and their governments approach to stuff. Our business did a discovery exercise and chose the Netherlands due to language requirements and some things around the position of the government on certain EU legislation where governments transpose the requirements into their own laws allowing some differences in interpretation. Other EU Regs are common across the bloc but some are flavoured slightly by each country. However any Anglo/German, Anglo/French, Anglo/whatever company who already operates significantly in another country and second language will go straight to that country.

The Dyson thing is disgusting. I know it's not to do with Brexit. Singapore tax laws is the reason they moved HQ. Cheap labour in Asia is the reason they moved manufacturing. But for James Dyson to make out that Brexit is a good thing and then to have zero business interest here is despicable. God I hate the lot of them!

We're having routine Brexit emergency meetings now at work as we inch closer to having to shut our UK business on 29 March if there's no deal.

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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:15 PM

Airbus now looking like jumping ship as well.

oh well done Brexiteers
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 05:44 PM

They arent worried; they have already parked their assets elsewhere and are actively (Reese-Mogg) advising their colleagues/business contacts to do so as well. Twats.
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Posted 24 January 2019 - 07:38 PM

We're all having extra public order training at work...
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Posted 25 January 2019 - 08:18 AM

View PostMezla PigDog, on 24 January 2019 - 03:04 PM, said:

I know it's not to do with Brexit.


Actually, with Singapore signing a free trade agreement with the EU very recently, it has everything to do with Brexit. They could have moved the HQ for tax purposes a long while ago.

And yeah, Tiste, I would fully expect you'll need it. I'm envisaging riots when taxes are spiked to try and keep the country running.

I know it's probably not the thing to say in the presence of a copper, but aren't mossy hyenas wonderful?
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Posted 25 January 2019 - 10:28 AM

View PostTiste Simeon, on 24 January 2019 - 07:38 PM, said:

We're all having extra public order training at work...


Good! I'm feeling more like rioting every day.

EDIT - I just did the next best thing and wrote to my MP. Take that world.

Yes, I am still procrastinating about that big job at work but I have at least started it.

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 12:45 PM

Oh and my cousin is struggling to have her regular prescription for her blood glucose monitoring strips and insulin fulfilled. Diabetic comas must be being planned into the no deal contingency I guess.
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Posted 25 January 2019 - 05:36 PM

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Posted 25 January 2019 - 06:32 PM

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Posted 26 January 2019 - 10:28 AM

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Never seen him before. Man that was awesome.
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