Day 2 Tatts starts off with his 'look back in time' project which is a crazy amount of energy to spend on a trivial issue because no-one is going to back him up on it.
This then turns into what he said was a lookie at Gust Hubb, but is actually a case on Mac and Khell as they're directing the thread. He did say he gets good data on GH, though. Tatts tries to move the blame for the Nom lynch result at Khell's feet, including a vote.
The post below feels to me like a bit of disarmament against a building Tatts train, in the form of a dismissal of Tatts' playstyle making him potential scum.
Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:52 PM, said:
Lady Bliss, on 28 April 2016 - 03:48 PM, said:
Tapper, on 28 April 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:
I am going to
Vote Tattersail.
Sorry for the absence guys, it has been crazy.
That being said, on to a bit of content: the explanation for the vote above is that Tattersail has applying super glue instead of proper means of construction to his own suspicions/arguments. Yeah, a flimsy thing can stick, but I prefer proper nuts and bolts. It seems he is determined to lead a discussion and judge what are good or bad decisions (or town play), now also in hindsight.
The vote on Khell is the latest and most blatant of the bunch. Am I falling for the old issue where Tattersail is scummy no matter what? Maybe. I really think it might be a possibility and him being a towny. Tatts can change styles on the fly, and as far as meta goes, those playstyles can be either scum or town. On the other hand, I do get the idea he's once again building smoke screens by flitting from one person to the next with a bunch of post its containing 'scummy' 'not scummy' 'soooo scummy'.
I'm not opposed to a Tatts lynch, and I'm leaning that way at the moment. The only issue I have is that I feel like his play is more distracting and sympish, so have been trying to decide who he could be symping.
Tatts is always sympish. Why do you keep repeating this sentiment about tapps, saying you'll vote but never really committing. You are totally hiding in plain sight Bliss.
Now, GH asks what Tatts had on him. Tatts gives him an analysis that is a perfect blueprint to deviate from.
Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 04:09 PM, said:
Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:
Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 04:04 PM, said:
Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:53 PM, said:
Though to counter point, why does Tatts keep saying he read up on my scum behavior but never following up with an analysis of my current behavior. I feel like I am getting set up.
Hmm. I give you what I found and then you can act accordingly, ie change your play.
Interesting flip to make sure I get some pressure since I didn't let your initial ruse stand.
Plus, what do I always say about day 1? I can't change who I was then.
Fine, I don't mind sharing, others can look out for this if you/they're still around and haven't found scum.
Tattersail_, on 28 April 2016 - 11:55 AM, said:
The 2 games I found with Gust/Corv as scum were A Newb Game, and Mafia 80 - Benses IV.
Both games he was a high poster, more invested towards the end of day than the beginning. Both games he was late to the party day one, missing a bit of the idle chatter, and both games he voted early. Within 1 or 3 posts. As scum he likes to be on every lynch train. I remember towards end game he gets quite excited, and posts a lot more, and votes quickly. He can be persuasive but I know what to look out for.
He does not mind starting trains or hopping aboard them to get them flowing. He hammered fellow scum in the newb game.
Fun note, he actually likes to off people who accuse him, in the benses games he killed galayn lord night one who was one of the only people to suspect him.
In line with GH's feelings day 1, at a time when no-one apart from Khell was thinking of lynching JPK (Khell made a great case on him):
Gust Hubb, on 29 April 2016 - 02:26 AM, said:
Not really. Still flummoxed by trying to sort this all out. Lady Bliss is correct that she often rubs me the wrong way and has been lynched erroneously, often for getting too defensive after seeming shifty. On the other hand, I have been keeping an eye on her, and beyond Nom and HO, what else does she discuss? Not much.
I am not sure I buy a Coltaine train. I much more support Kitsu being the lynch target among the newbies, seeing behaviors in his play that suggest he is not as inno as he seems (I can quote later as necessary).
Tatts and Khells are still big unknowns in my mind and I waffle either direction on them. They both make this game more interactive and thoughtful and I must confess I hate to kill off them if they are town since they are immeasurably helpful.
But, as scummy as GH finds JPK, he and Tatts in short succession vote for Lady B.
Then, shortly after, we get the NK result, JPK is dead from a single kill and of course, everything is thrown into chaos.
In the course of the day, Tatts starts his 'Mess was the symp!' initiative.
Now, what if we had three scum, Tattersail, JPK and GH, perhaps with a guard or with a double night 1 kill thrown in?
That's much more of a 3:1 town-scum division than otherwise would happen.
GH could be seen as distancing from JPK from the start. Tatts would be playing sympish as Tatts. Together, they'd advance certain options and strategies. We see Tatts playing of GH here and there.
There's also a couple of weird occurances: there's the Mess = symp connection floated by GH, copied by Tatts later on.
A potential slip is where GH refers to himself in the third person, for example (in a bullet point list!).
Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:47 PM, said:
HiddenOne, on 28 April 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:
Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:
Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:
Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:
I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.
At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.
A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.
Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.
As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere
So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?
Serg has to be the scum kill. It is a classic throw the thread into confusion. W
as it his vote on Gust? Was it his newb status and thus a target for the haters? Did someone see danger in his thought processes?
Just a thought, but what if Tapper killed him? That would be an interesting distancing approach, no?
This is odd. GH refers to himself in the third person, then throws shade on Tapper. Why him? I would like this to be explained.
Third person, just the way I wrote it (I guess I was imagining questions asked by everyone in general in which case I would be referred to in third person)
As for Tapper, it was just trying to look at angles for why serg was killed. Such speculation is often just useless Wifom, but it was a catchy thought and I wondered if looking at Tapper in that light would add any insights. As I said in the context of my other posts, I am looking for a handle on people.
There's also this:
Gust Hubb, on 29 April 2016 - 12:44 AM, said:
Dhenrabi is going to be dangerous addition to our group. I say that we kill him now.
Khell points it out as a slip, GH disarms it into a joke.
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