[Tattersail_]

I haven't read day two properly yet. Going to do that.

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Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

That's brutal. We can assume that RI or symp, scum wouldn't have been trying to defend Nom, so at least one of them was on the lynch train.... Going to have to look at the early voters tgat held on without changing.

You still agree with this assessment?

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Just Plain Kitsu, on 27 April 2016 - 07:14 PM, said:

Andorion, on 27 April 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

Damn I am way too tired to deal with this right now.

Khell started the train on Nom and Macros, Bliss and LB were in at the end. One of these could quite possibly be scum I guess?

I am going to bed. Maybe things will look better in the morning

I'm going to reference my earlier post and vote here. Macros helped start the Ando train, quickly jumped to the Tatter-Train, and vote-hopped at the end to help get Nom out. He's also a vet and that would make it reasonable for him to target either if the night kills. Mess cause we all know he's a strong player, or Sierg since he's a new unknown.

Just putting it out there for thought.

How would JPK know this?

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Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 02:02 AM, said:

Going back to the very beginning here with a couple things of note from the first page.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

That was the first vote of the game. Also the fourth post of the thread.

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

vote Nom
Because...

And hallooooo to the thread!

This was post number 11, and the first actual vote for Nom. Yes, LB did back down for a bit, but once the Nom train was back in full motion...

What is JPK getting at here?

[Tattersail_]

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:31 AM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

JPK is riding the newb role a bit hard, and I agree with Khell that we cannot just let them slide, even if Tapper ordered only puppies and rainbows for their first game. No, what I am worried about is one of our newbs is getting outside coaching from a more experienced player and just playing up their inexperience (or hiding experience in the case of our sea caterpillar). And now JPK is turning the tables on Khell, an interesting approach to raise ire for the newbie hater..

Gust, I'd love to not be riding this newbie role. Yeah, I pointed out Khell had the first vote of the game placed against him, but that's all I've said in that regard so far. I'm still looking into him. I know he's infamous for being devious around here. I have two current problems: 1- Having to repeat myself multiple times since others just don't seem to be reading my posts. (Example: Lady Bliss asking if I've played before when at the top of the page I clearly stated that I haven't. Same page even!" 2- Macros completely dodging fair questions I've placed his way TWICE now. Without even a mention. Which seems suspicious as hell to me.

I'm also looking deeper into HO, Tapper, and Bubba at the moment. All three are vets that I'm under the impression are usually more active. I was accused of skating day one, but I feel like I still piped up at least as much as these three. Well, maybe not Tapper. The short time Tapper was on, a lot of light seemed to be shed on a couple of subjects.

First of all is this the second time he mentions THAT vote on Khell. I don't see the relevance of it in any of his posts.

Just after the underlined he says he knows Khell is infamous for... this is the second time he claims to have knowledge of older players, it seems like he is either being coached or really clever.

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Khellendros, on 28 April 2016 - 08:01 AM, said:

Okay, I need to do more reading up on a few people, but I wanted to say that I find it a little odd that people with fewer posts than me are saying I've been quiet. I've been as active as I normally am, barring that first RL day when I had some other things going on. In fact, I've still managed to be in the top 4 or 5 posters If you're intimating that I'm usually an even higher poster than sorry, but you're wrong. Me being among the very top posters is usually a result of surviving deep into the game rather than being a spambot - think about last game, for example.


In any case, I have more of an issue with the current discussion of what HAS to be the scum kill, or what HAS to be the vig kill. There's simply no way to know from the thread with any real degree of certainty, and the rigid conclusions that a couple of people seem to be drawing on the intentions behind the kills is not something I think is particularly helpful at this stage, without more information. Hell, how do we know that it's not two independent killers rather than scum and vig?! No, I do not think that's likely, but my point is we can't be sure of anything from one night's worth of results. The vote train and the lead up to the lynch is what I'll be focusing on then.

There was something else I wanted to reply to but I've forgotten what it is.

This is Khell mentioning independent killers before the scum night kill.

[Lady Bliss]

Damn Tatts, did someone put crack in your coffee this morning? It's only 7 am here so still coming alive. Let me reread what you posted.

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HiddenOne, on 28 April 2016 - 03:18 PM, said:

Gust Hubb, on 28 April 2016 - 03:23 AM, said:

Andorion, on 28 April 2016 - 03:21 AM, said:

Just Plain Kitsu, on 28 April 2016 - 03:09 AM, said:

I'm curious to see if he responds to this one Ando, since he ignored me both times that I've pointed out this behavior previously. I'd also like to point out that in the post where he voted Tatts, he mentioned he did it because he doesn't like people being helpful to newbies. Dislike of newbies + death of Sierg? Weak, I know. But it's still something to think on.

At this stage we can't afford to narrow down our thoughts and actions yet. If he hated being helpful to newbies, why was he silent on Mess? That was half of what Mess was doing.

A little busy, but I want to list out Lady Bliss, Khell and HO as well. After that we can see if we can't find a pattern.

Also irritatingly enough, the NK on Mess does not tell us much. Any veteran would be uncomfortable with Mess as he is devious. I thought he was scum as he was being so nice. I kept quiet and had planned to keep a sharp eye on him for Day 2.

As a counter, if the killer is a newbie, he might want to take out this vocal player who is everywhere

So the kill could have come from Town or Scum. On the other Serg's kill is more interesting. I don't think anybody would take "Scum likes lists" seriously enough to kill, but maybe the list caught something?

Serg has to be the scum kill. It is a classic throw the thread into confusion. Was it his vote on Gust? Was it his newb status and thus a target for the haters? Did someone see danger in his thought processes?

Just a thought, but what if Tapper killed him? That would be an interesting distancing approach, no?

This is odd. GH refers to himself in the third person, then throws shade on Tapper. Why him? I would like this to be explained.

I would too.

[Lady Bliss]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2016 - 12:44 PM, said:

I've been his partner before. He has no qualms about hammering his partner (see the newb a game) or casting suspicion that way if it benefits him. In fact that game he killed his symp (bliss/alkend) which supports the argument either way.

LOL that is just cold hearted mafia! Remember when Venge betrayed us and we lost Dresden? I'm STILL mad!

Since there was no heat on JPK or anything serious on Khell at that point, I don't think the JPK killing was on purpose. I think the other killer honestly thought they were going to hit town.

[Lady Bliss]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

Lady Bliss, on 27 April 2016 - 06:00 PM, said:

That's brutal. We can assume that RI or symp, scum wouldn't have been trying to defend Nom, so at least one of them was on the lynch train.... Going to have to look at the early voters tgat held on without changing.

You still agree with this assessment?

If they were paired yes, I would assume they would want to stay distant. Now that I suspect we have independent killers I think they could each be trying different tactics to escape our scrutiny.

So what do you think of ADL? He has posted about 15 posts of nothing so far. You did some meta analysis at the beginning of the game, and when I did mine, he participates quite a bit more as town, but plays in the same style as he has here as scum/SK.

[Tattersail_]

The train on him seemed to build up quite quick. I'll add to it if he doesn't come online to address your issues but I've not got much of a read on him. Independent killers, it's interesting your find on his play as SK. I said as much earlier

[Lady Bliss]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2016 - 02:46 PM, said:

The train on him seemed to build up quite quick. I'll add to it if he doesn't come online to address your issues but I've not got much of a read on him. Independent killers, it's interesting your find on his play as SK. I said as much earlier

I think when people read his posts the thought was "how the hell did we miss this guy?!". Obviously he'll change his game now.

So what is up with Gust? I don't recall seeing a clear case in him.

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I'm not going to build a case on him either, not until I see a Khell CF as he's my suspect number 1 😜

There won't be 2 killers left, (I hope not) so they both can't be scum.

[Coltaine -]

I thought weekend is a break? But it looks more like it is time for Tatts to deconstruct the whole thread.

[Lady Bliss]

Coltaine93, on 30 April 2016 - 04:45 PM, said:

I thought weekend is a break? But it looks more like it is time for Tatts to deconstruct the whole thread.

Rep later for this.

[Macros]

ok, thats works done for the week.

Took a quick gander at Kitus's posts in isolation, are we sure this catchs all his posts? it only listed 37 posts in total in the forum, and of those only 32 were in this thread. I thought he had posted more.

There very little meat to go on at all, definitely a pro skater. Of the 16 players that weren't kitsu, 3 are dead, 1 is me, 4 Kitus voted for or threw heavy suspicion at.
this leaves, ADL, Blend, Bubba, Dhenrabi, Gusty, HO, Khell and Tapps. (this initial investigation runs on the assumption that Kitus knew whoeveer else is scum, a follow up will be based on the assumption that he didn't) I'm not going to get into kill speculation because I may as well piss into the wind without the pertinent information, IE - who the fuck can do and did what.

[Macros]

regarding the current train of favour:
ADL - Nothing on any front, very few posts, and of those posts the only big one was a quote, I don't think his content per post ever exceeded 3 lines. No mentions of Kitsu, but no mentions of basically anyone. was on the Andorion wagon day 1, which seemed like a goer for a short while. Wasn't on the Nom lynching, but had unvoted Andorion and declared a readiness to lynch Nom (following Tatts lead, not implicating Tatts here, just clarifying, ADL never said exactly that he would fire a vote on the nom train, but from the context I take it it was implied).
then day 2 we have the vote on Lady B, on a gut, and to possibly get a lynch going. (on that note, there was a lot of attention on Tatts then all of a sudden the bliss train steams into town, I know I know this doesn't jive with my Tatts = symp hard on but given the flak he's been taking to 3 days now I thought it passing strange.)
All in all, ADL has very little to get a read on him, he wasn't on the Nom train and has nothing I can see linking him to Kitsu or my no1 symp candidate Tatts (I'm honestly trying not to let that suspicion colour my judgement when re reading over stuff.) It will be interesting to see what, if anything, he comes up with over the freeze, one point of note from his being called out on his low posting to his posting again was just an hour.

My plan was to read through each of those 8 players in isolation here now. but as I read posts, I jump to the thread to check the context, then end up going off on another tangent, following a new theory. there are currently 7 tabs open, all for this game. For example seeing ADLs vote on Bliss I hastened to the thread to see if it coincided with action against kitsu, or tied up with pressure elsewhere, which led me to tracking Bliss posts, which brought me round to Gusty, who did point at Ktisu day one, not vehemently but a little.
anyway

So the new plan is to have all other 7 players investigated by the end of play sunday. rather than fry my brain skipping around trying to catch everyone at once, sit down for a half hour/ hour on each player. going to watch grand budapest hotel now, then will look into Blend.

[Tattersail_]

I'm going to

vote a demon llama

It looks like he's waiting for the thread to turn in a new direction.

[Tattersail_]

Throwback to the only game my wife played. The only one. She said it was stressful.


Mafia 69: Battle Royale (the movie) <> Shinrei, Tapper, HD <> TMDI 8 <> 18 players, scum faction wins (alt146, Tigress, Trull's Son and Giles)

[Coltaine -]

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2016 - 09:29 AM, said:

This post irks me so much. It's blinding me. Kitsu was fucking scum. This is where I'm thinking that at least Mess was Kitsu's symp. Mess didn't know he was going to get killed, Mess usually stays for a long game. Look at that wording.

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 09:34 AM, said:

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:52 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 02:19 AM, said:

Woo game thread.

Vote Khellendros

Because Macros and Venge have a point...

Remind me what that point is. Place joke votes on me at beginning of game for good luck?

Many might consider lynching you to be good luck

Note for JPK,

Siergiej and Dhenrabi, genuine truth - if Khell is alive on Day 3 then he is scum

Another note: in un-alted mafia some old grudges occasionally get settled

Also, Day 1 votes can be extremely random. Example:

Remove Vote

Just Plain Kitsu, on 26 April 2016 - 04:35 AM, said:

You know, if the voting system was actually for lynching - with the last candidate standing getting the position - I'll bet we'd have much larger voter turnout here. Besides that's the only way I can imagine voting Trump.

You'd consider voting Trump for anything? Clearly scummy

Vote JPK

Lynches have run off of far less than that.

So

Remove Vote

Are we going to be serious today or whimsical?

Khellendros, on 26 April 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

2) You want us to speculate on town roles. That's interesting.

Why do you think it is a Town role? It could be scum, it could be independent.

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 08:21 AM, said:

Soo lets see, Day 1:

1. Standard nonsential conversation: Check
2. Joke voting: Check
3. Suspicion of player speculating on game roles: Check
4. Accusation of signalling and symping: Waiting on this one.
5. Lynch Bubba: Inevitable

OMGUS?

Ignore, for now, Khell. Look at the interaction with JPK. What are your thoughts?

Okay, this is post is strange and could be a signal. Fakevoting for JPK alone would not make me suspicious, but that JPK is in one line written and Sierg and Dhenrabi in the next (I'm missing again) is really unusual. What can we make with Mess being Kitsus symp?

Tattersail_, on 30 April 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

Tapper, on 26 April 2016 - 01:03 PM, said:

@Tatts: no set-up speculation from me. I could see Gnaw make the new additions to the forum scum, in time honoured tradition. In another time honoured tradition, I am going to firmly behave like this is out of the question until we have proof*.




*= proof being defined as a vague gut feeling and/or no clear targets for a lynch.

We have proof.

That'd leave Dhenrabi and Coltaine as possible scum.

You mean a vague gut feeling