[Blend]

Oh, and cause it wasn't a serious vote anyway...

remove vote

[Blend]

Hmmm... Not much has happened since last I was around.

Not too impressed with ADL's jumping on the Andowagon....

Right now, I think I'd vote for Nom. Lady B has been pressuring him today, and I'm not sure I like how he's reacting to it. Plus there was the fact that he piled on to the Andowagon.

So...

vote ItwasNom

[A Demon Llama!]

Blend, on 27 April 2016 - 03:20 AM, said:

Hmmm... Not much has happened since last I was around.

Not too impressed with ADL's jumping on the Andowagon....

Right now, I think I'd vote for Nom. Lady B has been pressuring him today, and I'm not sure I like how he's reacting to it. Plus there was the fact that he piled on to the Andowagon.

So...

vote ItwasNom

Between the two right now, yeah, Andowagon. Ill see whats new developments develop in the morning.

[Gust Hubb]

Totally drunk and going to bed. I will be up at 5 am, so I should have some last minute comments, I hope. Sorry. Ex again. Tomorrow maybe it will be all signed and done..... Then 2 weeks till dissolution more or less.

[JPK]

Time for me to crash as well. I should be up early enough to check in before tone though.

[Coltaine -]

Back and reading up. Everyone still alive?

[Macros]

Morning, not much seems to have changed on my quick poop glance.

Will have a ball of time at work this morning

[Tattersail_]

Morning, I will also be online in about 2 hours.

[Andorion]

Ugh things got tense and busy fast....should be able to spare a couple of hours though

[Siergiej]

Thx for explaining the list thing

Shitty day at work impending, so I might be able to take a quick look at the thread but won't have time for a meaningful contribution before the day comes to a close. So unless we see any dramatic developments, that's all from me on Day 1.

[Coltaine -]

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 11:37 PM, said:

Itwas Nom, on 26 April 2016 - 09:11 PM, said:

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 09:06 PM, said:

Okay, now I understood why it is better to lynch someone on day one. But still a difficult decision.
But hey, 16 hours left. I will go to sleep and decide tomorrow

I'll just note that with remaining time going down your options are narrowing if you really wanna get a lynch, you might end up having only one option despite no-lynch

Yes, we only have 17 hours...

Sorry, I forgot that the timer of the posts and myself are not in the same time zone. For me in my drunken state after a pub visit it looked like an one hour old post and I wanted to be smart and calculated the amount of hours left.

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 09:48 PM, said:

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Often what happens is that we get close to lynching someone on Day 1, usually for some stupid reason that only makes a little bit of sense, but because we don't end up getting the lynch, even with the kill info (and most killers will often kill someone completely unrelated to the Day 1 controversy for this very reason), more often than not, the kill has nothing to do, either directly or obliquely, with the cases people were pushing Day 1, let alone being a kill that may give us enough information to suss out who the killers are yet. Then we get to Day 2, and if, as is usually the case, nothing new has come up information-wise, we spend the entirety of another day cycle rehashing the exact same cases as during Day 1.<br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 11.7px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(24, 24, 24);"><br style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-size: 11.7px; line-height: 19.5px; background-color: rgb(24, 24, 24);">So, by not lynching on Day 1, we've now wasted 2 days arguing about the same cases.

Thanks Blend, that helps a lot!

Andorion v Tatts looks like the point of contention for Day 1 and admittedly the core of my own reasoning from the previous post, so I went back and looked and how it unfolded (this timeline is limited to the Androion-Tattersail situation):

• Andorion starts speculating about mechanics
• Tatts joins the speculation
• In the next post Macros throws accusation at Andorion because of that speculation
• Khell joins and points fingers at Andorion
• Tattersail votes Andorion
• Nom votes Andorion
• Dhenrabi votes Tatts
• Macros votes Tatts
• HiddenOne comes back to Macros' post that started the whole debate and votes Andorion
• JPK votes Andorion
• Gust votes Tatts
• Dhenrabi removes vote against Tatts
• Tatts removes vote against Andorion and votes Blend
• JPK removes vote against Andorion

What looked fishy to me is how Macros only focused on Andorion speculating mechanics and how Tatts pivoted from talking mechanics himself to lynching Andorion. But then he actually backtracked and voted Tatts, so it makes sense. And for the record, Tatts did offer an excuse for his speculation:

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The difference between me speculating on what the extra role may be, (asking Tapper, who has run a lot of games) and Andorion speculating on what town roles there may be is huge

This sounds like a shaky logic to me, but I don't want to jump to a conclusion based on only this with so little Mafia experience I have.

Initially I was most suspicious of team vote Andorion but after a re-read (more like re-skim to be fair) I think that would expose them too much. Throwing accusations at Tatts is more defensible and an opportunity to stir things up at the same time, with fueling the tension. Dhenrabi retracted his vote for Tatts and Macros actually backtracked to this conclusion after going after Andorion, so that leaves me with Gust. This is a looong shot and I might be reading way too much into things, but here it goes:

Vote GustHubb

Thanks for the list Siergiej

I read the most important posts again. I'm now not sure about Macros. Either he overlooked Tatts post, who posted 12 minuites before him, or he should probably also have reacted to this one. And voted for Tatts because he was too nice to newbies. Is Tatts normally meaner to everyone?

And Tatts jump from discussing game mechanics to accussing Andorion...

Anyway, my gut feeling is still with Nom, somehow.

Vote Itwas Nom

[Itwæs Nom]

haven't read up, just checked something
I think I actually like Ando's reactions so far, I don't see what's wrong with his backtracking

I'll read up and hopefully have more time to take a closer look at other stuff aswell and reconsider my vote

[Khellendros]

A Demon Llama!, on 27 April 2016 - 01:03 AM, said:

Alright, I've looked back at our two most wanted today. Andorian and Tatts. My opinion is that between the two Tatts is more transparent and straight with Andorian seeming the scummier one. See following:

We start off with Andorians speculations that people dislike.

Accusations fly and Tatts is dragged in as also participating on the speculation, but I like the defense saying that they did not speculate on town roes as Andorian did. Which is true.

Then we have

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:32 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

I'll lay money on an FM

Something you want to tell us before we all lynch you as the FM?

Although in all practicality an un-alted game is one where you can guarantee there will not be an FM. You'd have to tell PS your account password, have PS change it and tell the FM then at the next jump/death of FM get your own account returned to you

Here Mess points out, maybe jokingly, that Andoirian maybe know something we all dont. Or my belief is that the purpose is to make it seem like his first post was not for the purpose of looking into town roles but others.

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:33 AM, said:

Messremb, on 26 April 2016 - 10:32 AM, said:

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 10:27 AM, said:

I'll lay money on an FM

Something you want to tell us before we all lynch you as the FM?

Although in all practicality an un-alted game is one where you can guarantee there will not be an FM. You'd have to tell PS your account password, have PS change it and tell the FM then at the next jump/death of FM get your own account returned to you

Keep on forgetting the un alted aspect

Then when he gets called out about the FM fact he claims he forgot this is altless game. Which I dont know if I believe.

Tattersail_, on 26 April 2016 - 03:05 PM, said:

Read your back tracking? Whatever for?

Tatts here is saying that Andorian is backtracking and I am under that opinion as well.

For now,

Vote Andorian

Heh, so Gnaw accurately predicted your vote.

[Tattersail_]

Siergiej, on 26 April 2016 - 06:54 PM, said:

Moving towards the meaty part, aka throwing accusations. There's a lot of meta play going on and the pace is very fast, so I'm struggling a bit, but my thinking so far is as follows. Andorion and Tatts seem the most vocal and it started with Tatts accusing Andorion of being scum because of him touching on mechanics very early.

It was him bringing in/speculating on town mechanics that raised my eyebrows fyi.

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That sounds like grasping at straws very early in the game, but Tatts also puts a big mark on his back with going after someone this openly. That would be a risk of outing himself immediately. So I'm inclined to think he's not scum. I'm also not convinced by the Andorion mentioned mechanics therefore scum thinking, so I'm leaning towards suspecting one of the people who jumped on the lynching Andorion bandwagon, as an easy way to quickly kill off a townie.

I assume everyone is guilty until they are proven innocent. Everyone has motivations, I'm not always willing to let go of a subject and move onto the next suspicious person. (I find it hard to let go). Yet day one is always a crap shot, and by harping on, I draw out people's opinions on the matter.

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These people are:
Nom, HiddenOne, Kitsu
'm not voting yet, because I want to understand better lynching on day 1. Then I'll add my vote, most likely for one of the three mentioned above.

Oka Champions League time!

As long as people have an opinion then their vote is valid, yet jumping on and not adding to the discussion is an easy way of skating by. I have not looked at their votes yet but out of the three you mention I'd be willing to give Kitsu a pass. I wouldn't want to scare the new guys into not voting. It sets a bad future impression.

Nom and HiddenOne both have multiple games on this site under their belt, so they know what they are doing. I'll quickly look at their votes..

First up Nom.

Itwas Nom, on 26 April 2016 - 08:48 AM, said:

Town has barely any profit from those speculation, let scum figure on their own

for now

vote Andorion

This is 20 minutes after my vote, and on page one to boot. It doesn't look like a pressure vote, it does not look like a joke vote, he has a reason which means it is a serious early vote from him.

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:13 PM, said:

People thrashing Andorion for talking about town roles? There will be talk of "that's why nobody wants to post anymore"

Vote Andorion

let that be a lesson to you

This seems like a less serious vote but it is vote number 3 on Ando, this pushes him into dangerous territory. Without another option people may pile on just to get the lynch.


Then we have Ando's reaction

Andorion, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

12 hours into the game and the only remarkable thing happening is the lynch train developing on me as I have profaned the sacred mafia alter of "Touch not the game mechanics". Also because people aren't finding anything else voteworthy yet.

Most interesting thing to me? Tatts lightning swift volte face regarding same issue when I was challenged.

Hmmm. Couple that with a divergence from his usual style of play and its quite quite suspicious.

This is quite a calm response, and he does not seem to be panicky one bit. Reading after the Kitsu vote he remains calm as well. This makes me lean Ando towards the town side of the fence.

So looking at it from fresh eyes this morning I'd be more willing to vote HO.

Going to read up a little further.

[Tattersail_]

Gust Hubb, on 26 April 2016 - 06:48 PM, said:

Just Plain nothing-much. Someone has learned to skate by.

Are you talking about yourself here?

[Itwæs Nom]

Lady Bliss, on 26 April 2016 - 11:35 PM, said:

Coltaine93, on 26 April 2016 - 09:06 PM, said:

Okay, now I understood why it is better to lynch someone on day one. But still a difficult decision.
But hey, 16 hours left. I will go to sleep and decide tomorrow

See Nom? Even a noob understands that we don't just drop votes without a solid reason.

You're enjoying this a lot aren't you?

A thought, were you scum you could drive this day and push for lynch of me while having perfect excuse, having things go in direction you like not looking scummy at all because it figures.

[Macros]

Have done a sort of reread,well up to page 3 properly then a skip through, have work to do.
That's page 3, at 40ppp, the way real mean read the forum.

My scribbled notes from the first 3 pages yielded me this.

If Andorion were silencer, Id vote for him right now for being too smooth. He calmly backtracks to aline his reasoning with other players, and happily joins in the light hearted banter where ever it appears, totally unflustered by attention he has garnered. But he's not, so I won't, for now.
My main beef with Andorion was post #27, with less than 50% of players even checked in, 'lets.get srs' and starts role speculation, pro town role speculation.
Then when Tatts follows up and says that we all want to be on the same page with game outline (paraphrased) And does a nice little semi reverse sidestep to aline with this a bit more. Not that it helps him, tatts still chases after And anyway.

Mess, had the early doors joke on Khell, and has been almost nauseatingly helpful, even pointing out to newbs who usually dies etc, potential set up for survivor framing?? (rampant speculation)

Tatts, ah tatts, still numero uno for me, and it nearly.all cycles back to that post on page one, 'lets get everyone on ehte same basic outline early doors (paraphrased) he backs up his suspicions of And by highlighting it was other players (me and khell) that were suspicious of And dorion, as if to say, see other guys picked it up.first, if we lynch him and he's town, well it was their fault (supposition by myself based on a purely theoretical chain of events)

And HO. I'll have to go back and find the post by HO that annoyed me, it jumped off the page at me there but tying to multiwiote and stuff on the phone is just a no, hence the stream of discombobulated thoughts.


TLDR - I am suspicious of several players for several reasons (it was nom, drive by vote on Andorion noted, page one hoping for a runaway bandwagon fueled by tatts, khell.and macros suspicions possibly? Further investigation required)
Notably Andorion, Tatts, Mess and HO.


Quick question, is there an easy way to see one players posts in the thread, like 'show me every post macros has made in this thread, only.macros' posts'?

[Andorion]

Looking back, back HO seems to have jumped on pretty fast and then backed out again.

[Tattersail_]

Remove vote


Finished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them.

Skating by as usual.

Vote HO

[Andorion]

Tattersail_, on 27 April 2016 - 08:51 AM, said:

Remove vote


Finished my read up, i'm leaning towards voting for HO, thanks to Sergei's case but also the way HO comes onto the thread, quotes a few people, votes Andorion, says he's finished his DKT style catch up

HiddenOne, on 26 April 2016 - 02:29 PM, said:

DKT style catch up^TM is complete, so back to work - I'm out of time to slack off

Yet he added no content, replied to a few quotes with cheeky one liners, and hurtfully didn't mention me once. Sounds bitchy doesn't it, but if you look, Andorion, Messremb, Tapper, Macros, Dhenrabi, had all mentioned me, quoted me and I'd been voted. He doesn't mention Ando's 2 votes on him, nothing mentioned by HO just a little vote on Ando which puts him number 3 on the train. He mentions Macros talking about Ando and mechanics but doesn't mention me talking about them.

Skating by as usual.

Vote HO

What do you think of Nom at the moment?